Masteron?

[s1nc1ty]

Im currently running testosterone enanthate cycle, 350 mg a week without AI. i know it might be abit stupid but i havent had any estrogen side effects so far. I just found out about masteron. I was thinking on maybe getting it, it would help with some extra gains etc and also help with estrogen etc. What do you guys think about this idea, any advice, and what dose of masteron would you reccommend to accompany my 350 mg test ?

Thanks in advance

[JaneDoe]

Im currently running testosterone enanthate cycle, 350 mg a week without AI. i know it might be abit stupid but i havent had any estrogen side effects so far. I just found out about masteron. I was thinking on maybe getting it, it would help with some extra gains etc and also help with estrogen etc. What do you guys think about this idea, any advice, and what dose of masteron would you reccommend to accompany my 350 mg test ?

Thanks in advance

Yes masteron is very beneficial, besides being an AAS it still helps with estrogen. I emphasize that it does not have a great ability to inhibit estrogen, only in the breast tissue that it will act with its anti-estrogenic properties.

[JaneDoe]

You're one of the guys who was blessed to be resistant to high E2. That means you're very resistant to having side effects.

[s1nc1ty]

You're one of the guys who was blessed to be resistant to high E2. That means you're very resistant to having side effects.

Yeah well I am on a relatevly low dose though. I bet if I upped it to 500+ it would be a different story. Any ideas how much masteron i should run if im on 350 test? I will get the enanthate version of masteron if possible

Right now ive been on testosterone for a month, id get masteron now and id run it together with test for another 6-8 weeks and then pct

[SampsonandDelilah]

You may not necessarily need it. As a way to battle estrogenic side effects, it sounds like you’re managing just fine. You’re not stupid, I’ve never run an AI on cycle either. Some the help, some don’t…simple as that. We all process estrogen differently.

As a cosmetic drug (which is really where last shines) it’ll depend on your BF%. It’s not very anabolic and is mild in that department but it can really add shape and definition if you have the physique to show it off. If you’re below 10–12% BF, then give it a shot…

It’s not cheap and I always run the long ester version. My ideal dose is between 4-500. Remember it’s a DHT derivative so some shedding may occur

Good luck

[Honkey_Kong]

I wouldn't use masteron just to control estrogen on an otherwise "test only" cycle. Hell, you want your estrogen levels to be on the high side (as long as you're not growing bitch titties). You'll make better gains. And if you're having problems with estrogen, try taking your current dosage and splitting it up in to more frequent doses. That'll stabilize your test levels more and will increase your SHBG.

[JaneDoe]

Yeah well I am on a relatevly low dose though. I bet if I upped it to 500+ it would be a different story. Any ideas how much masteron i should run if im on 350 test? I will get the enanthate version of masteron if possible

Right now ive been on testosterone for a month, id get masteron now and id run it together with test for another 6-8 weeks and then pct

As master SampsonandDelilah said, you don't have to fight estrogen if you don't have a problem with it! But if you want to try you can start with 400mg per week which is the dosage that many benefit from the mast's anti-estrogenic properties.

[JaneDoe]

I wouldn't use masteron just to control estrogen on an otherwise "test only" cycle. Hell, you want your estrogen levels to be on the high side (as long as you're not growing bitch titties). You'll make better gains. And if you're having problems with estrogen, try taking your current dosage and splitting it up in to more frequent doses. That'll stabilize your test levels more and will increase your SHBG.

Yeah bro! well,350mg of Testo per week is not a high dosage... He can get away with this cycle without using any anti estrogens.

[s1nc1ty]

Im not having problems with estrogen currently. What made me consider Masteron is the idea of added gains and more peace of mind conserning estrogen. I read that masteron is not the strongest steroid but it should help me pack on abit more muscle anyway if added to my current 350mg test. 100mg / 1 mil tho is a kinda crap tho will cost more money and big injections... Just for the estrogen effect its not worth it i was hoping it would compliment my current 350 mg testosterone abit too and i would get into better shape with the cycle. This is my first cycle btw.. just like everyone else i want to get gains. My bodyfat is around 18% probably im more in the "bulking" mode i dont count calories that hard i just eat alot meat etc

[s1nc1ty]

Im just trying to min-max things .. wanting to get the most out of the minimum without consuming too much shit. Because of that the idea of hitting to birds with one stone with masteron appealed to me. More gains, less side effects. Sounds good.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Im just trying to min-max things .. wanting to get the most out of the minimum without consuming too much shit. Because of that the idea of hitting to birds with one stone with masteron appealed to me. More gains, less side effects. Sounds good.

Just stay the course with one compound. See how you react to it, if you run into issues then you’ll know the culprit. Gets confusing as you add more compounds. Estrogen is a critical hormone for growth, you just have to manage the symptoms (not crash it).

As stated, mast isn’t for managing estrogen sides. You can take an AI on cycle for that. At 18% you won’t notice it’s cosmetic effects. It’s a weak anabolic, and it’s not going to pack on the mass. Think of it as a contest drug in a lot of ways or a nice complement to some more complex cycles.

If anything you can take your total test intake higher and probably see more potential benefits with out the cost of masteron…save it for later. Like when you start dabbling with 19 nors

Taking the test to 400-500 wouldn’t be the worst thing. However, if you’re seeing progress at 350 and feeling good and not dealing with E2 sides then carry on with what you’re doing.

One thing at a time…

Good luck!

[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah bro! well,350mg of Testo per week is not a high dosage... He can get away with this cycle without using any anti estrogens.

IMO 350mg of test E a week is a waste of time and not worth shutting the body's natural test production down for. But if he wants to run it, and he's getting gains off it, then I guess it's cool.

[Honkey_Kong]

Just stay the course with one compound. See how you react to it, if you run into issues then you’ll know the culprit. Gets confusing as you add more compounds. Estrogen is a critical hormone for growth, you just have to manage the symptoms (not crash it).

As stated, mast isn’t for managing estrogen sides. You can take an AI on cycle for that. At 18% you won’t notice it’s cosmetic effects. It’s a weak anabolic, and it’s not going to pack on the mass. Think of it as a contest drug in a lot of ways or a nice complement to some more complex cycles.

If anything you can take your total test intake higher and probably see more potential benefits with out the cost of masteron…save it for later. Like when you start dabbling with 19 nors

Taking the test to 400-500 wouldn’t be the worst thing. However, if you’re seeing progress at 350 and feeling good and not dealing with E2 sides then carry on with what you’re doing.

One thing at a time…

Good luck!

Yeah masteron can be twice as expensive as test

[JaneDoe]

If you want extra gains , add an oral steroid on top of that and your cycle's anabolic power will increase. ..IMO 350mg of enanthate of testosterone per week with 50mg of anavar per day!

[JaneDoe]

Below is a conversation I had with GH regarding the thesis that you can run low testo with var and enjoy an even greater anabolic load than just testo.


ok so Testo has an anabolic rating of 100 per 100mg

Var has an anabolic rating of 300 per 100mg

if you ran only 200mg of testo then your total anabolic load is 200 for that cycle

if you ran 200mg of testo plus 50mg per day of Var your anabolic load jumps all the way up to like 1300

thats a big difference


so thats how that works.. you just need to know the anabolic rating of each compound , and then you calculate it compared to the basis of test.

1000mg of testo only , has an anabolic load of 1000 . low dose testo and var is still more anabolic then that


but keep in mind, anabolic rating is only calculating anabolic load (protein turnover capacity) and not factoring in other growth factors like estrogen and water retention (which have their own ability to put on muscle) .

so because 1000mg of testo is going to be very estrogenic , you may get more total growth out of that because of the power of the estrogen and water retention , which anabolic load does not account for

[Mooseman33]

brotha, do not add the mast. You are bulking and clearly said that u are not having estrogen issues.

Ur bf is still high, focus on diet and use the chems to achieve ur goal.

Mast does not fall into that right now for u.

[s1nc1ty]

IMO 350mg of test E a week is a waste of time and not worth shutting the body's natural test production down for. But if he wants to run it, and he's getting gains off it, then I guess it's cool.

Well you have to understand this is my first cycle ever. I dont think im in a rush to get huge as fast as possible and start with max doses. I was thinking id first get to know these substances, see how I react to them, before i up the doses. Next cycle i will either up the dose or add another substance. And then maybe someday down the line i will be taking already multiple compounds in manly doses. Thats how my mind works anyway and thats how I thought would be the smart and safer way to do it. Maybe im too careful though and should have started blasting right away and deal with shit when it hits the fan.

[JaneDoe]

Well you have to understand this is my first cycle ever. I dont think im in a rush to get huge as fast as possible and start with max doses. I was thinking id first get to know these substances, see how I react to them, before i up the doses. Next cycle i will either up the dose or add another substance. And then maybe someday down the line i will be taking already multiple compounds in manly doses. Thats how my mind works anyway and thats how I thought would be the smart and safer way to do it. Maybe im too careful though and should have started blasting right away and deal with shit when it hits the fan.

And tell us do you intend to do pct or blast and cruise?

[JaneDoe]

Honkey_ Kong is even more right if you intend to do pct! Putting the body in a state of inhibition of natural testosterone production for nothing is foolish! Unless you go to the blast after taking it, then yes it will work.

[Mooseman33]

remember fellas, we all have different goals.

OP- just cause u bump up doses does not always mean the shit will hit the fan. Def should of ran first cycle a little higher but do what u are comfortable with. This life is not a sprint but marathon. learn from each cycle.

[s1nc1ty]

And tell us do you intend to do pct or blast and cruise?

PCT. I dont wanna fuck up my natural test and also im not sure if such thing as trt exists in my country, maybe only if i completely wreck my natural test. I def dont wanna be my own doctor till the rest of my life, buying test from black market and keeping eye on my vitals stats, as a cycle its okay but for life seems kinda not a good idea to me.

You know, all my life ive been a tall and skinny guy. Really skinny. Im tall and small frame, and i used to be very skinny. Right now im 187 cm 88 kg but im already abit chubby by my standards, 75 kg was my normal weight most of my life. Ive gained abit muscle and alot more fat and im not that skinny anymore. Ive trained alot and i have solid strength compared to average guy, but even now when i compare myself to more muscular guys i feel like im still very slim or so. I just wanna get into shape where I would look jacked. Not huge, but muscular. I dont wanna live and die as a skinny guy I wanna get a ripped physique, and see how it feels living on that side. Makes some cool photos etc Im not bad looking also if i may say so myself and I feel if i had the physque also, i would get all the ladies. It would give me more confidence also to really aproach the hottest of the hottest girls. Im 30 years old if i dont live now i mightaswell crawl to my grave now.
Anyways, long story short. My plan is to do some cycles, try different shit, see what works for me best, get into awesome shape, live a little. Then maybe find a nice girl and settle down and wont do more steroids. But who knows.

I was thinking next cycle go on dianabol and test, that should be a good combo to bulk up. Not sure about the doses though.

[JaneDoe]

PCT. I dont wanna fuck up my natural test and also im not sure if such thing as trt exists in my country, maybe only if i completely wreck my natural test. I def dont wanna be my own doctor till the rest of my life, buying test from black market and keeping eye on my vitals stats, as a cycle its okay but for life seems kinda not a good idea to me.

You know, all my life ive been a tall and skinny guy. Really skinny. Im tall and small frame, and i used to be very skinny. Right now im 187 cm 88 kg but im already abit chubby by my standards, 75 kg was my normal weight most of my life. Ive gained abit muscle and alot more fat and im not that skinny anymore. Ive trained alot and i have solid strength compared to average guy, but even now when i compare myself to more muscular guys i feel like im still very slim or so. I just wanna get into shape where I would look jacked. Not huge, but muscular. I dont wanna live and die as a skinny guy I wanna get a ripped physique, and see how it feels living on that side. Makes some cool photos etc Im not bad looking also if i may say so myself and I feel if i had the physque also, i would get all the ladies. It would give me more confidence also to really aproach the hottest of the hottest girls. Im 30 years old if i dont live now i mightaswell crawl to my grave now.
Anyways, long story short. My plan is to do some cycles, try different shit, see what works for me best, get into awesome shape, live a little. Then maybe find a nice girl and settle down and wont do more steroids. But who knows.

I was thinking next cycle go on dianabol and test, that should be a good combo to bulk up. Not sure about the doses though.

Hahaaha

Good luck brother!

[JaneDoe]

Women for them we came, for them we live and for them we die! pussy is pre-workout!

[s1nc1ty]

Hahaaha

Good luck brother!

Thanks alot and you always have very good replys I appreciate your input

[Cuz]

300-400 test and 150-200 tren works well for me. No ai, no caber, nothing.

With that said i used to run tren with mast every run, this is my fourth run with tren. Ive been on gear on off for 17 years. So obviously as you ease into the game like i did you will find what works for you. Albeit i am on trt for life tho and you are not, my first cycle was sus 250x2 per week. (500mg test) so bumping it to 500 like Honk said i wouldnt disagree with.
Adding mast with your body stats and given your new to lifting and the aas lifestyle just save it. Mast would be waste of money right now for you imho

[Honkey_Kong]

Well you have to understand this is my first cycle ever. I dont think im in a rush to get huge as fast as possible and start with max doses. I was thinking id first get to know these substances, see how I react to them, before i up the doses. Next cycle i will either up the dose or add another substance. And then maybe someday down the line i will be taking already multiple compounds in manly doses. Thats how my mind works anyway and thats how I thought would be the smart and safer way to do it. Maybe im too careful though and should have started blasting right away and deal with shit when it hits the fan.

If it's your first cycle then just run test only. Worry about other stuff in later cycles.

[wellshii]

A lot of responses but DHt derivatives were created for breast cancer patients.
It competes for receptors in the breast .Somebfolks bloodwork show low estro from primo mast etc.

Personally I want to run a 1:1 of test and primo on my first blast for this reason as well as the mental effects from DHT compounds.
But I have been on TRT for 5 months now so I already know how my body handles a highish test(200). But thats only if I did 500.
Ive decided to actually run 350 a week so no primo.
Too low a dose imo .
So just have an ai on hand as well as a serm and go from there

[s1nc1ty]

300-400 test and 150-200 tren works well for me. No ai, no caber, nothing.

With that said i used to run tren with mast every run, this is my fourth run with tren. Ive been on gear on off for 17 years. So obviously as you ease into the game like i did you will find what works for you. Albeit i am on trt for life tho and you are not, my first cycle was sus 250x2 per week. (500mg test) so bumping it to 500 like Honk said i wouldnt disagree with.
Adding mast with your body stats and given your new to lifting and the aas lifestyle just save it. Mast would be waste of money right now for you imho

This is interesting idea.. maybe i should try that next cycle. 350 test like im on right now + tren 150 / 200. It would be same as right now only 1 more compound... so if something is off i know its because the tren. I read about tren too that shit should be pretty potent.

what esters are you talking about? 300-400 test E a week and 150 tren ace every day?

[Honkey_Kong]

This is interesting idea.. maybe i should try that next cycle. 350 test like im on right now + tren 150 / 200. It would be same as right now only 1 more compound... so if something is off i know its because the tren. I read about tren too that shit should be pretty potent.

what esters are you talking about? 300-400 test E a week and 150 tren ace every day?

FFS, you already started this cycle. Finish it as planned and then worry about adding different steroids in later cycles. This is a marathon, not a sprint. If you do things right, you should get great gains off test alone. I'd only suggest bumping up your dose to a typical cycle's dose instead of just being on a really high TRT dose.

[s1nc1ty]

FFS, you already started this cycle. Finish it as planned and then worry about adding different steroids in later cycles. This is a marathon, not a sprint. If you do things right, you should get great gains off test alone. I'd only suggest bumping up your dose to a typical cycle's dose instead of just being on a really high TRT dose.

Yeah. If you read what i wrote then I was talking about next cycle, not this one. Im a little afraid to go higher with test this cycle atleast i think, I feel great and all but my face is as red as a baboons ass and blood pressure is abit on the higher side to. Am afraid maybe my face will turn even redder or i dont know. Ive read some people get red face even on 150 mg a week tho. Was thinking next cycle maybe i keep test at 350 or lower it even to 250 and add another compound to do the heavy lifting, dianabol or trenbolon or something.

[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah. If you read what i wrote then I was talking about next cycle, not this one. Im a little afraid to go higher with test this cycle atleast i think, I feel great and all but my face is as red as a baboons ass and blood pressure is abit on the higher side to. Am afraid maybe my face will turn even redder or i dont know. Ive read some people get red face even on 150 mg a week tho. Was thinking next cycle maybe i keep test at 350 or lower it even to 250 and add another compound to do the heavy lifting, dianabol or trenbolon or something.

Personally I wouldn't fuck with dbol. The gains you get from it go just as fast as they came. I would save tren for many cycles down the road. What are you thinking you'd want to accomplish with your next cycle?

As far as your BP goes, I've got high blood pressure and it doesn't make my face red. But if your BP is high, you might want to consider taking some sort of BP meds along with the gear. Hell you can also lower your BP to some degree by taking stuff like cialis

[s1nc1ty]

Personally I wouldn't fuck with dbol. The gains you get from it go just as fast as they came. I would save tren for many cycles down the road. What are you thinking you'd want to accomplish with your next cycle?

As far as your BP goes, I've got high blood pressure and it doesn't make my face red. But if your BP is high, you might want to consider taking some sort of BP meds along with the gear. Hell you can also lower your BP to some degree by taking stuff like cialis

I just wanna gain some muscle, that wouldnt go straight away after the cycle. I dont think its worth wasting money and health to be bigger for 3 months only. I would like to gain some muscle that i could maintain with clean diet, working out, and doing cycles 1-2 times a year. I just wanna be abit bigger, bigger pecs, arms,shoulders etc. Not huge mass monster or anything just abit bigger. Max 5-10 kg muscle i suppose but who knows, maybe I already look awesome if you add 3 kg muscle.

[Swilderbeast]

I just wanna gain some muscle, that wouldnt go straight away after the cycle. I dont think its worth wasting money and health to be bigger for 3 months only. I would like to gain some muscle that i could maintain with clean diet, working out, and doing cycles 1-2 times a year. I just wanna be abit bigger, bigger pecs, arms,shoulders etc. Not huge mass monster or anything just abit bigger. Max 5-10 kg muscle i suppose but who knows, maybe I already look awesome if you add 3 kg muscle.

This has been my ideology as well when it comes to steroid usage. I ran just a straight Test C for 12 weeks. I can see my body changed and held the majority of the gains IMO. Unfortunately I had a lot of shoulder issues and that hampered my working out but I’m still lifting the same weight I was or close to it even when on cycle. But I also did not jump up p a crazy amount of weight either during cycle

[s1nc1ty]

Well as a status update my online friends, i needed to buy some pct stuff and while at it i bought some stanozolol also. Ive been on test for 4 weeks now. Im gonna add stanozolol now for 6 weeks together with test and then call it a day. Not sure about the dosage tho. I think im gonna start with 20 mg a day first week and then bump it up to 30 and maybe even 40 mg a day.got 200 10mg winnies. For pct i got 10 000 IU hcg and clomid

[Mooseman33]

The shit show continues

[wango]

PCT. I dont wanna fuck up my natural test and also im not sure if such thing as trt exists in my country, maybe only if i completely wreck my natural test. I def dont wanna be my own doctor till the rest of my life, buying test from black market and keeping eye on my vitals stats, as a cycle its okay but for life seems kinda not a good idea to me.

You know, all my life ive been a tall and skinny guy. Really skinny. Im tall and small frame, and i used to be very skinny. Right now im 187 cm 88 kg but im already abit chubby by my standards, 75 kg was my normal weight most of my life. Ive gained abit muscle and alot more fat and im not that skinny anymore. Ive trained alot and i have solid strength compared to average guy, but even now when i compare myself to more muscular guys i feel like im still very slim or so. I just wanna get into shape where I would look jacked. Not huge, but muscular. I dont wanna live and die as a skinny guy I wanna get a ripped physique, and see how it feels living on that side. Makes some cool photos etc Im not bad looking also if i may say so myself and I feel if i had the physque also, i would get all the ladies. It would give me more confidence also to really aproach the hottest of the hottest girls. Im 30 years old if i dont live now i mightaswell crawl to my grave now.
Anyways, long story short. My plan is to do some cycles, try different shit, see what works for me best, get into awesome shape, live a little. Then maybe find a nice girl and settle down and wont do more steroids. But who knows.

I was thinking next cycle go on dianabol and test, that should be a good combo to bulk up. Not sure about the doses though.

Seems to me like you said it all right there. This clearly isn’t going to be your last cycle, nor will your next one be. Following this thread to the end, you’ve already got your eyes set on several compounds that you want to try. So you are well on your way of being your own doctor for the rest of your life, monitoring your vitals, buying from UGLs, etc. At at your current age of 30 that should be a long life having to deal with those things.

The gear isn’t going to get you down from 18%. You don’t want to be a bulk monster, but are looking to be ripped so you feel comfortable approaching the “hottest of the hot” girls.

Bottom line is that there are a lot of contradictions that you should clear up before you take the next step.

All of the advice above is rock solid. You are complicating what should be a simple first cycle that you are doing well on. Finish it, do your PCT and see what gains you’ve made/keep and then reassess. You’ve got at least 8% of your body fat that you need to deal with to get to your stated goal, how is that going to happen?

That all said, good luck.

[Honkey_Kong]

Well as a status update my online friends, i needed to buy some pct stuff and while at it i bought some stanozolol also. Ive been on test for 4 weeks now. Im gonna add stanozolol now for 6 weeks together with test and then call it a day. Not sure about the dosage tho. I think im gonna start with 20 mg a day first week and then bump it up to 30 and maybe even 40 mg a day.got 200 10mg winnies. For pct i got 10 000 IU hcg and clomid

So you didn't have a pct together before you ran your cycle and you decided to get more gear too?

[s1nc1ty]

Seems to me like you said it all right there. This clearly isn’t going to be your last cycle, nor will your next one be. Following this thread to the end, you’ve already got your eyes set on several compounds that you want to try. So you are well on your way of being your own doctor for the rest of your life, monitoring your vitals, buying from UGLs, etc. At at your current age of 30 that should be a long life having to deal with those things.

The gear isn’t going to get you down from 18%. You don’t want to be a bulk monster, but are looking to be ripped so you feel comfortable approaching the “hottest of the hot” girls.

Bottom line is that there are a lot of contradictions that you should clear up before you take the next step.

All of the advice above is rock solid. You are complicating what should be a simple first cycle that you are doing well on. Finish it, do your PCT and see what gains you’ve made/keep and then reassess. You’ve got at least 8% of your body fat that you need to deal with to get to your stated goal, how is that going to happen?

That all said, good luck.

Well, i have to be my doctor only when im on cycle. If im on TRT (self imposed) then i would have to monitor vitals etc all the time, till the rest of my life. Thats much more serious. Yeah this defently aint my last cycle, its hard to predict how many i will make but hopefully not so many that my natural test will be ruined completely. BTW , the 18% ( its an estimate btw, maybe im lower i dont know) doesnt bother me. Makes me look abit bigger etc. Im trying to bulk and gain muscle atm. One moment i will defently diet and get my bf down. Right now i wanna gain muscle.

You might be right im overthing things, i tend to do that. The reason i took another compound is everyone sayd raise the testosterone to 500mg a week , but with face redness etc i didnt want to raise it i felt comfortable at 350, with no AI and I rather added stanozolol. (to get stronger gains comparable to 500mg of test a week or even better)

We all have our own reasons why we take aas. I just was honest what I was thinking and sayd it out. Those arent my only reasons, but they are one of them yep. Thanks for the good wishes

[s1nc1ty]

So you didn't have a pct together before you ran your cycle and you decided to get more gear too?

Yes. Well I didnt need to buy the PCT right away since it was months away when i need them. I have solid sources and i can get it any time. And yes you know how it is like when you go to the store and go to pay there is good stuff right next to the register and you cant help yourself and buy 2 snickers. Same thing here

[Honkey_Kong]

Yes. Well I didnt need to buy the PCT right away since it was months away when i need them. I have solid sources and i can get it any time. And yes you know how it is like when you go to the store and go to pay there is good stuff right next to the register and you cant help yourself and buy 2 snickers. Same thing here

No, it's not the same thing. First rule of doing gear is having all your materials on hand BEFORE you start. Bullshit happens, packages go missing, etc.

Why even ask for help?