How long does it take for nip sensitivity to go away??

[yeahbuddy289]

Running 500mg test E and 200mg deca per week, my nipples got very sensitive. About two weeks ago I started taking 40mg of novladex per day. My nipple sensitivity has improved but it’s definitely still there. I just recently dropped the novladex down to 20mg a day because I felt like I was having some negative sides. But I obviously do not want gyno either, how long should it take for my nipple sensitivity to go away? Should I just go back up to 40mg a day until it’s completely gone? And then drop down to 20mg to keep it away? Or should I continue with 20mg a day and give it another month or so?

[Iranon]

I would use an AI, you can't F around with Gyno....hit it hard and hit it fast.

[yeahbuddy289]

From what I understand novladex blocks estrogen at your breast/nipples, which is the only estrogen related issue im having. I’ve read it’s best to keep estrogen high while on cycle, so if I can keep it high while controlling the only negative side effect, I guess I don’t see the reason for an AI? I certainly can be wrong on that though.

[almostgone]

Nip sensitivity isn't necessarily the start of gyno, although it isn't something I would ignore. Elevated hormones can make your nips itchy/tingly. Usually when that happens, guys start feeling their nips all the time which compounds the problem.

I would stick with the tamoxifen, check T and E2 levels if it continues and if they seem out of proportion to each other, I would consider anastrozole.

Again, I'm not discounting the possibility of this being a warning sign of the onset of gyno. Do you have any extra fluid in your lower legs? That's often another sign of overly high E2.

[almostgone]

Kudos to you for having your ancillaries on hand!!

[yeahbuddy289]

I have a whole pharmacy on hand just about lol.

They are very sensitive and it’s very uncomfortable for them to be touched or brushed up against… no lumps that I can feel. But it is annoying that I can’t even have my wife lay her head on my chest without a lot of discomfort… and I feel bad saying anything because after all, she is the pregnant one haha.

I would like this to go away and I certainly don’t want gyno. AG I know you said this doesn’t necessarily mean gyno but it’s uncomfortable and I can’t help but worry! Lol how much longer should I give the novladex before adding adex?

I know bloodwork is the only real way to know and anything else is just a pure guess but in my state you cannot get bloodwork without a script from your doctor…. Just another reason to hate where I live!

Oh by the way, no fluid in my legs, and my face is not bloated or puffy. Sex drive was very strong for a few weeks but has since leveled out.

[almostgone]

Hmm, if you're that conscious of it, I'd go back to 40mg on the Nolva for a couple of weeks and probably start up anastrozole or if you have Exemestane. Just stay low dose with the AI, whichever one you choose.
Reevaluate after a few weeks....and don't play with your nipples!


Edit: These states that won't allow people to order their own labs are ridiculous.

Now, as much as it sucks, I can see us needing a script for meds, vs. us going to a pharmacy and buying whatever over the counter. But ordering lab panels....sheesh.
The states that won't allow you to order your labs should be proud you're taking ownership in your health.

[yeahbuddy289]

Yeah i dont get it at all… I don’t see the harm in me wanting to test my own blood and pay for it with my own money lol. I’ll bump novladex back up to 40mg and if it doesn’t improve I’ll start adex… maybe .25mg every 3.5 days

[Iranon]

From what I understand novladex blocks estrogen at your breast/nipples, which is the only estrogen related issue im having. I’ve read it’s best to keep estrogen high while on cycle, so if I can keep it high while controlling the only negative side effect, I guess I don’t see the reason for an AI? I certainly can be wrong on that though.

As expected you missed the point.

I will make it simple, You think you have GYNO. You better blast an AI for a week or two and also hit Nolvadex hard the next week or two, then drop back if your symptoms have dissipated.

Or you can ignore it and then months or years later drop 10 Grand on Gyno surgery that will not be funded by your insurance.

Good luck.

[Iranon]

This is why most people have no business using steroids, they know nothing about them.

If you have Gyno problems you should not be using drugs that can exacerbate those symptoms. Run Test at a lower dose and stack it with EQ, Masteron or Primobolan....not deca. I could name some oral steroids but oral steroids are only for pre competition.

Also you could run provirion (hello) this would also help yet you don't seem to have any basic knowledge about PED use.

[yeahbuddy289]

As expected you missed the point.

I will make it simple, You think you have GYNO. You better blast an AI for a week or two and also hit Nolvadex hard the next week or two, then drop back if your symptoms have dissipated.

Or you can ignore it and then months or years later drop 10 Grand on Gyno surgery that will not be funded by your insurance.

Good luck.

You seem like you’d be a fun guy to hang out with… thanks for the attitude and the advice.

[< <Samson> >]

Oh gawd, that makes me so happy I got this shit removed

Straight dead nipples - oh, it feels so good. . . Seriously that shit was so annoying, they’d darn near always feel like they’re poking through my shirt

Let alone, when I started lactating at the fucking gym - ewwww


Nolvadex, blah blah - wait & hope for the best < all you can do

[yeahbuddy289]

Oh gawd, that makes me so happy I got this shit removed

Straight dead nipples - oh, it feels so good. . . Seriously that shit was so annoying, they’d darn near always feel like they’re poking through my shirt

Let alone, when I started lactating at the fucking gym - ewwww


Nolvadex, blah blah - wait & hope for the best < all you can do

I couldn’t even imagine lactating man lol I think I’m going to try some proviron. I think I remember you saying it helped increase your sex drive as well? Mine was great for a few weeks after getting back on aas, but it’s leveled out. As ive mentioned, hair loss is a concern of mine but I figure if it’s an oral I can just stop it and it will be out of my system quickly if I start shedding lol.

On a side note Sampson, have you ever tried halotestin?? I have some on hand I’d like to try at some point. I’ve heard it can greatly increase aggression and strength but it seems like that’s what everyone says about any aas lol

[< <Samson> >]

I couldn’t even imagine lactating man lol I think I’m going to try some proviron. I think I remember you saying it helped increase your sex drive as well? Mine was great for a few weeks after getting back on aas, but it’s leveled out. As ive mentioned, hair loss is a concern of mine but I figure if it’s an oral I can just stop it and it will be out of my system quickly if I start shedding lol.

On a side note Sampson, have you ever tried halotestin?? I have some on hand I’d like to try at some point. I’ve heard it can greatly increase aggression and strength but it seems like that’s what everyone says about any aas lol

Yeah, milking was just disgusting

Proviron has been nothing short of awesome - but, I couldn’t use it at all until the bitch tits came out - within days of use they just flared to hell

Never tried halo - I’m kind of attached to my organs, so it’s a no go for me - I’ve “tried” enough shit

[yeahbuddy289]

Shit with this formula shortage and another baby on the way maybe I should try to get myself to lactate!! Haha Absolutely joking of course! Lol

[< <Samson> >]

Shit with this formula shortage and another baby on the way maybe I should try to get myself to lactate!! Haha Absolutely joking of course! Lol

Ha ha

That shit was so gross, it’s was a brownish thin liquid - weird shit, for even me. Lol

[956Vette]

Once sensitive to gyno, would recommend forgetting using a half gram of testosterone per week, probably should be on a minimalist TRT dosage
50-100mg/week testosterone should be more than enough, increase deca to fill the void

[XnavyHMCS]

I don't know, I am purely a "bro science" guy; kinda the type that fits right into what Iranon said, "This is why most people have no business using steroids , they know nothing about them". That has been me, for the past 35+ years...

My recommendation; what has worked for me has been Masterone. Even when I am running Mast at less than 1ml / wk, she works wonders to keep my nipples in check. In the last few years, ever since an ex-member (Real Deal Guru = GH) recommended Masterone to me, I have never looked back...

Give it some thought, check around on the forum...

"HEY ASSHOLE! You got no business running gear, with your absence of knowledge..." = I love this bullshit attitude from the guys on here... You will find that there are a handful of these guys, and they are the only ones who should be privileged enough to use AAS...

You gotta love the forum...

[< <Samson> >]

Shit, I was running almost a gram of mast when my moobs totally took off - nothing helped. I refused to fuck with Letro again & that’s when we met our surgeon friend. I just said fuck it - dropped the Nolvadex & seriously over a few months time I had nodules the size of an egg

[XnavyHMCS]

Shit, I was running almost a gram of mast when my moobs totally took off - nothing helped. I refused to fuck with Letro again & that’s when we met our surgeon friend. I just said fuck it - dropped the Nolvadex & seriously over a few months time I had nodules the size of an egg

Samson, BROTHER...!!!

Perhaps your individual case could be purely consigned to genetics...???

Of course, I am no doctor (although I do consider myself to be quite the accomplished gynecologist, of the amateur varity...), but my guess would be just the way in which YOUR body reacts to the gear...???

Stay safe brother...!!!

[< <Samson> >]

Samson, BROTHER...!!!

Perhaps your individual case could be purely consigned to genetics...???

Of course, I am no doctor (although I do consider myself to be quite the accomplished gynecologist, of the amateur varity...), but my guess would be just the way in which YOUR body reacts to the gear...???

Stay safe brother...!!!

Of course & I'm tryin

I had pre pubertal gyno or whatever the fuck it’s called - I always had fat deposits around my lower peck area, specially after the 1st time I got fat when I was 20 or so

Then, it almost seemed like the fat hardened & turned into growing masses

It’s so nice not having throbbing pains on my chest now tho

[XnavyHMCS]

Of course & I'm tryin

I had pre pubertal gyno or whatever the fuck it’s called - I always had fat deposits around my lower peck area, specially after the 1st time I got fat when I was 20 or so

Then, it almost seemed like the fat hardened & turned into growing masses

It’s so nice not having throbbing pains on my chest now tho

I believe we call, what you have displayed; perseverance...

[yeahbuddy289]

Once sensitive to gyno, would recommend forgetting using a half gram of testosterone per week, probably should be on a minimalist TRT dosage
50-100mg/week testosterone should be more than enough, increase deca to fill the void

Would you suggest lowering testosterone over starting an AI? I do plan on lowering the dose anyways… I am going to run this blast for a while and want to keep the doses on the low side.

[yeahbuddy289]

I don't know, I am purely a "bro science" guy; kinda the type that fits right into what Iranon said, "This is why most people have no business using steroids , they know nothing about them". That has been me, for the past 35+ years...

My recommendation; what has worked for me has been Masterone. Even when I am running Mast at less than 1ml / wk, she works wonders to keep my nipples in check. In the last few years, ever since an ex-member (Real Deal Guru = GH) recommended Masterone to me, I have never looked back...

Give it some thought, check around on the forum...

"HEY ASSHOLE! You got no business running gear, with your absence of knowledge..." = I love this bullshit attitude from the guys on here... You will find that there are a handful of these guys, and they are the only ones who should be privileged enough to use AAS...

You gotta love the forum...

Did you experience any hair loss? I ran masterone a couple years ago and a few months after I stopped I noticed I was shedding more than usual. Not sure if it was related to that or not. I did just get some proviron to try, would you say that would be as effective as masterone? My thoughts are with it being an oral if I start losing hair I can drop it and it will be out of my system quick.

[XnavyHMCS]

I am 56 yo, and never had hair like Elvis to begin with. I have lost some hair in the last 3 yrs, but maybe that can be expected; as everything lessens / loses it's blast, as time passes on. Again, I am not taking more than 1 ml of Mast / wk. So, not an enormous amount.

I just bought some Proviron, and am looking forward to giving it a shot, but I am a bit skeptical in combination with my current run; I will soon be on the train...

Agreed on the system premise.

[956Vette]

Would you suggest lowering testosterone over starting an AI? I do plan on lowering the dose anyways… I am going to run this blast for a while and want to keep the doses on the low side.

Great question, lowering your testosterone is the highest priority, yessir. In your shoes, I would be injecting ~20mg test w/ 200mg deca (or deca only injects for a stretch), with the smallest dose of arimidex possible (.25mg ~day after injection). Hopefully in 2-3 weeks you'll be able to relax with just nolvadex in case of emergency/tenderness. Gl and keep us posted, sorry you're going through such a scary scenario!

[< <Samson> >]

Let them moobs grow, then leave em on a operating table

[yeahbuddy289]

Great question, lowering your testosterone is the highest priority, yessir. In your shoes, I would be injecting ~20mg test w/ 200mg deca (or deca only injects for a stretch), with the smallest dose of arimidex possible (.25mg ~day after injection). Hopefully in 2-3 weeks you'll be able to relax with just nolvadex in case of emergency/tenderness. Gl and keep us posted, sorry you're going through such a scary scenario!

Yeah it’s no fun but this is usually what happens to me on gear lol. I did just start 50mg of proviron per day, hopefully that helps too. But I will drop the dosage down as well. Appreciate all the help!

[yeahbuddy289]

Let them moobs grow, then leave em on a operating table

No way man! Lol wasn’t it a long, painful recovery for you??

[< <Samson> >]

No way man! Lol wasn’t it a long, painful recovery for you??

Meh, nothing compared to brain surgery


In all seriousness, way better than pounding Nolvadex & having pains on my pecs

[Honkey_Kong]

Meh, nothing compared to brain surgery


In all seriousness, way better than pounding Nolvadex & having pains on my pecs

LOL few things compare to that. So how long are you out of action after moob surgery? Like how long did it take you until you could train chest again?

[Test Monsterone]

Samson, I had something similar to you growing up. At around age 12 I remember my nipples were itching and started puffing out. Later into teenagehood I noticed I had more fat around the lower chest area. Now, if I tighten my chest, I can grab like 2 inches of fat. If I lift my left arm up to stretch the skin and muscle in the pec, I can feel some hardened mass that spreads out in different directions. I wish I could get gyno surgery and remove all this chest fat, too. Interestingly I never got any nipple sensitivity on any cycle.

[< <Samson> >]

LOL few things compare to that. So how long are you out of action after moob surgery? Like how long did it take you until you could train chest again?

I don’t wanna find out what tho. Lol

A few weeks before being back in the gym with a “bro” on - maybe 6 weeks till I started working chest slowly.

This bastard is what really slowed the process - I kept getting edema on one pec


And, that’s exactly how my lower pec area was - flabby, with some hard like mass - now it’s just like fluffy fat

[Honkey_Kong]

I don’t wanna find out what tho. Lol

A few weeks before being back in the gym with a “bro” on - maybe 6 weeks till I started working chest slowly.

This bastard is what really slowed the process - I kept getting edema on one pec


And, that’s exactly how my lower pec area was - flabby, with some hard like mass - now it’s just like fluffy fat

How did they treat that? Ice and a bra? lol

[< <Samson> >]

How did they treat that? Ice and a bra? lol

Yes on the “bro”

And, a couple of 18ga needles from the pet store

Oh the fun it was




That bad boy shot almost a solid two feet the first time. I had to do this for about a week

[Honkey_Kong]

Yes on the “bro”

And, a couple of 18ga needles from the pet store

Oh the fun it was




That bad boy shot almost a solid two feet the first time. I had to do this for about a week

Holy fucking shit. No syringe at all for that either?

[yeahbuddy289]

God damn Sampson, the things you’ve been through are unreal haha.

[< <Samson> >]

Holy fucking shit. No syringe at all for that either?

Tried, it was so thick it wouldn’t pull - so I pushed that bastard. Kept filling up because the void was so large from the gland that my dude removed.

I wish he was good enough to shave the fat - he said he’d do my whole “front end” for just a tad more cash < but, he said no promises. It’s hard to feather during plastic surgery. I seen him do both, the ex wife & wife - it definitely wasn’t what I’d want on my chest

[teedoff]

The "bro" versus the "Manzier" lol Classic seinfeld episode.