Replacement therapy for depression

[Boostlag]

Not going to do this whole introduction thing and I’m sure overtime I’ll prove myself to not be another idiot as I post. I’ve met far too many men over 30 who say they are on or have tried steroids and even talk about tren. I look at these people like, either your shit is bunk or you have no clue what the fuck you’re doing and need to stop now.

Right now I’m fully natural and according to prior results my bioavailability and free was absolutely healthy. My total was high but we all know total is the least important.

In the past I’ve found that being on 300mg of testosterone a week substantially helped with my depression. Also anything lower than 300mg then I would rather be natural as lower doses not only didn’t help with depression but the results were not worth it and might as well have stayed natural.

As we all know 300mg a week is pretty much on and is the TRT dose for experienced anabolic users.

Here is the kicker. Should I continue to live my life with debilitating depression or make the jump and go back on? Is it worth it or are there other natural methods I haven’t exhausted yet? My mentality is if I’m going to be depressed then why the fuck am I not on?

I do all my practice. Take my anti estrogens, prefer to be on HCG, donate my blood and get my blood work done.

Two years ago I was talking to my doctor who was actually impressed I knew what I was doing. Same with the endocrinologist, it’s just at natural levels statistically he cannot prescribe me testosterone. It wasn’t my total testosterone it was my bioavailability and free, they were nearly double the average (probably why I need a high dose like 300mg I’m guessing too). Even then my endo said he could only work with the FDA limits EVEN IF my blood work presented low testosterone.

Here’s what they both agreed on because I also have a mimicking illness that keeps muscle off me if I’m not in the gym. They both said if it was an effective treatment for my severe depression and I continued to practice use the way your supposed to do it then off the books they didn’t have a problem with me doing it. Both said they would have my back as far as blood work and if anything catastrophic were to happen they would do their job and bring me back to safety.

So should I do what I know will work for depression other then a fist full of pills everyday? Or should I continue to exhaust more natural methods? Because I’m going to say it once. If it’s living the rest of my life severely depressed over a functioning cure then in my situation. It’s a no brainer

For anyone else it’s obviously more of a risk than a gain. I’ve met some gym rats who say they even use anabolics and I look at their body and I’m like. “You take anabolics and testosterone and you look like that???” Either bunk gear or people need to stay the hell away from this shit.

[956Vette]

Not going to do this whole introduction thing and I’m sure overtime I’ll prove myself to not be another idiot as I post. I’ve met far too many men over 30 who say they are on or have tried steroids and even talk about tren. I look at these people like, either your shit is bunk or you have no clue what the fuck you’re doing and need to stop now.

Thanks for limiting the preface. Nobody cares about the men you're looking at and your expectations of gear/society are out of whack.

Right now I’m fully natural and according to prior results my bioavailability and free was absolutely healthy. My total was high but we all know total is the least important.

Sounds as if you're blessed in the male hormone dept and should look elsewhere to better your mental state.

In the past I’ve found that being on 300mg of testosterone a week substantially helped with my depression. Also anything lower than 300mg then I would rather be natural as lower doses not only didn’t help with depression but the results were not worth it and might as well have stayed natural.

As we all know 300mg a week is pretty much on and is the TRT dose for experienced anabolic users.

Sounds like you're special and a 2-3x therapeutic dosage is just what the degenerate/criminal doctor should order? How was your experience while overdosing on testosterone unsustainable in your opinion, diminishing returns at the gym and/or long-term health risks leading concerns?

Here is the kicker. Should I continue to live my life with debilitating depression or make the jump and go back on? Is it worth it or are there other natural methods I haven’t exhausted yet? My mentality is if I’m going to be depressed then why the fuck am I not on?

Sounds like your depression has nothing to do with standard hormones and curiosity is going to get the better of you, in large part due to immaturity. Go ahead and start tren as soon as possible, you'll feel great (short-term) and it's worth the risk (without a family) in your 20s.

I do all my practice. Take my anti estrogens, prefer to be on HCG, donate my blood and get my blood work done.

Who's recommended a gifted genetic freak in their 20s who can run triple dose TRT to load up on anti-estrogens? Rest assured you likely could stand to speak to a professional, maybe one that doesn't have an ability to rx drugs out of the gate.

Two years ago I was talking to my doctor who was actually impressed I knew what I was doing. Same with the endocrinologist, it’s just at natural levels statistically he cannot prescribe me testosterone. It wasn’t my total testosterone it was my bioavailability and free, they were nearly double the average (probably why I need a high dose like 300mg I’m guessing too). Even then my endo said he could only work with the FDA limits EVEN IF my blood work presented low testosterone.

The doctors sound like they were looking out for you as you're obviously barking up the wrong tree (go to a corner lowt clinic had you want an overpriced steroid dealer willing to rx anything, not an endo with a reputation to uphold) - you're lying to yourself had you think you're unique and need a high dosage.

Here’s what they both agreed on because I also have a mimicking illness that keeps muscle off me if I’m not in the gym. They both said if it was an effective treatment for my severe depression and I continued to practice use the way your supposed to do it then off the books they didn’t have a problem with me doing it. Both said they would have my back as far as blood work and if anything catastrophic were to happen they would do their job and bring me back to safety.

What's this beta male wasting disease you think you have, above average white guy genes not sufficient? Maybe 19-nortestosterone is right for you...(that's was you don't know you want to hear, I am guessing)?

So should I do what I know will work for depression other then a fist full of pills everyday? Or should I continue to exhaust more natural methods? Because I’m going to say it once. If it’s living the rest of my life severely depressed over a functioning cure then in my situation. It’s a no brainer

It would be absolutely foolish for someone to use a shit-ton of testosterone and other potent derivatives in your shoes. Sounds as if you need to consult other doctors, work harder at the gym and probably consider zombie pills to find balance.

For anyone else it’s obviously more of a risk than a gain. I’ve met some gym rats who say they even use anabolics and I look at their body and I’m like. “You take anabolics and testosterone and you look like that???” Either bunk gear or people need to stay the hell away from this shit.

Again, you're not special and it appears the nasty inner monologue is harming your outlook. Bodybuilding is hard work and bunk gear is not predominant, best look inward to fix your jealousy, take responsibility and quit finding excuses. Best of luck, hope your situation improves!!!

[Iranon]

As a former mental health Nurse and a man over 50 on TRT, I can only give an educated guess but Testosterone therapy is not the answer for you at all. Talk to your Doctor about exploring other solutions to this problem.

[Boostlag]

I would never do tren ever. If I ever did tren I’d isolate myself on a mountain by myself until the cycle was over. If it’s real tren then I’ve heard it can turn the “psycho” switch on and there is no way in hell I’d ever do that to anyone around me. Period.

I’m not that offended I made the wrong impression but I’m going off of personal experience and what has worked in the past.

As far as working hard enough in the gym. I don’t need to hear it. I’m usually the only one who sits through the torture of negatives and slow burns and if the mood is right, I rep to failure. Hard work is definitely not my problem at all. Natural or not. Natural, I’ll go in and finish my workout while the same people I saw on the way in are still on theirs, granted there is a difference in fast pace and 45 minute work outs. Nah sorry ain’t taking your comment on hard work buddy. Eat it.

Diminishing returns? I don’t sit back and think I’m on this magic pill. Actually the whole point is for depression and not muscle…..


I weigh out my food and food prep just like the rest of you so I’m not sorry but definitely letting you know you got me wrong period.


Anyway I’ll await to hear the advice from other people such as Iranon. Goodnight.

[Boostlag]

As a former mental health Nurse and a man over 50 on TRT, I can only give an educated guess but Testosterone therapy is not the answer for you at all. Talk to your Doctor about exploring other solutions to this problem.

I’ve been around the block many times when it comes to mental health. I just to wear a shirt around town saying “I’m a victim of MDD”. We explored many options including a current therapist/psychiatrist, coping methods, grounding techniques, etc etc. A comment made by my therapist is a lack of success, not to get personal. But that I have more negative experiences then I do positive and not much success to show from it.

Moving on. Again I speak from my own personal experience. I think it was close to eight months I was on 300mg? I felt great, this isn’t to be confused to what was mentioned above. I’ve taken Dbol before and it makes me really happy. I think that’s what the prior member was referring to. Like I’m just going to pop a bunch of Dbol and sit back as my problems go away. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Prior to the 300mg experiment I do have one cycle experience where I practiced the proper protocol to come off the right way.

I do understand though. The whole issue with receptors. I think that’s what was being referred to as diminishing returns. Taking 300mg and having the receptors in my brain create a tolerance for it creating an itch to increase dose. That’s the only thing I can think of

[Boostlag]

Listen. I’m not looking to brake no standard safety protocols. That ain’t my jam. I was thinking about it over night.

I could commit to cardio sessions after each workout until I’m under 15% BF to be safe. Then from there just join the party and blast and cruise. I’d essentially be receiving the same result I’m looking for, would just have to be careful to not pick steroids like equipoise that will obviously just exacerbate my anxiety in my depression.

I’m not in my 20’s. I’m 33 and I don’t consider myself special. I’m not a narcissist. Before my ALS mimicking illness I was a totally different build. If I stop going to the gym and/or stop dieting the illness does its job and takes aaaaallllllll my gains away. TRT and/or cycling was a great remedy to stop this from happening

[956Vette]

Weighing out your food and being fearful of tren, lol...not going to make it. Man up, eat more and go on serious anabolics as you know all the answers, bozo! Here for more "dbol makes me happy" comments, lmao.

[Boostlag]

Weighing out your food and being fearful of tren, lol...not going to make it. Man up, eat more and go on serious anabolics as you know all the answers, bozo! Here for more "dbol makes me happy" comments, lmao.

Are you pressuring me to take some Abombs? I love prop. I want to run a prop only cycle at 800mg a week with Tbol and Anavar mixed together during the cycle. Lemme work on my body fat percentage first and think about it. I’ve always wanted to run a deca/npp cycle and exclusively focus on my legs to get my tree trunks back. It’s tempting man but as you know this ain’t no joke. It’s not like taking a bunch of college party drugs and just waiting for the awful hangover to wear off. This shit is real dude. You know that.

[956Vette]

Are you pressuring me to take some Abombs? I love prop. I want to run a prop only cycle at 800mg a week with Tbol and Anavar mixed together during the cycle. Lemme work on my body fat percentage first and think about it. I’ve always wanted to run a deca/npp cycle and exclusively focus on my legs to get my tree trunks back. It’s tempting man but as you know this ain’t no joke. It’s not like taking a bunch of college party drugs and just waiting for the awful hangover to wear off. This shit is real dude. You know that.

Telling you what you want to hear, trying my best to pepper in pearls of wisdom and/or mistakes from the trenches. If curiosity is going to kill the cat, suppose it's a positive that you're mostly into testosterone.... Being so in tune with your body/feels, unsure if durabolin is the drug of choice to improve upon your headspace. Wanna get high? While you're young and invincible, time could be right to run trenbolone, just be sure to give it respect and control your dosage. Overdosing on biologic test and experimenting with orals is likely to deliver mild returns, sounds like you really want to alter yourself and should consider throwing the kitchen sink at the effort.
Appreciate your patience w/ my bad advice, hang in there!

[s1nc1ty]

If you have high natural T and in your 20s it would be plain stupid to go on trt for depression. Get some depression pills, maybe change something in your lifestyle etc and deal with the depression. If you go trt you will get hypogonadism at such young a age for no reason and couple years from now you will be sick of trt and want to get off but your natural test and everything that comes with it might never recover. Then you will be even more depressed

[Boostlag]

If you have high natural T and in your 20s it would be plain stupid to go on trt for depression. Get some depression pills, maybe change something in your lifestyle etc and deal with the depression. If you go trt you will get hypogonadism at such young a age for no reason and couple years from now you will be sick of trt and want to get off but your natural test and everything that comes with it might never recover. Then you will be even more depressed

I keep letrozole on the shelf when I run gear if I have to pull the oh shit handle. I already have gyno, I ran to much dbol and test prop before I knew what I was doing. Endocrinologist said they are extremely small lumps and actually when I jump back on testosterone they disappear. Now I do have some man boobs from eating to much cheeseburgers and sleeping on the sofa but like I told you, major depressive disorder. I think a dumb ass would think I have gyno my Endo/mesomorph body will look at cheese and get fat. If you were to look at my older brother, two older sisters, father and family you’d be like “what the fuck happened to you” lol. They are giants compared to me and we don’t even break 6 feet.

Back to the topic. Yeah I hear you. But to be honest I miss pinning. I actually love the whole process of loading back the syringe, air raiding and injecting. The whole process is taboo and that alone gives me a rush.

I recovered from 300mg a week for 8 months with no proper safety protocol since some junky stole my shit at an Airbnb and I’ve been struggling with depression ever since.

Don’t get me wrong dude… I bottomed out… bad… when I got low testosterone my dick fucking turtled itself 24/7 it was embarrassing. I got skinny armed and looked like a blimp and was overly emotional. To put the icing on the cake I relapsed into alcoholism where alcoholism alone lowers testosterone and raises estrogen. It was bad. I looked like trash and the turtles penis was embarrassing not to mention ED.

Somehow my body made the switch. I think I was forced into a situation that pissed me off so bad that it triggered my testosterone to fire again. My dick still turtles but it’ll decide to hang out now sometimes and I’m not as bloated. Endocrinologist said apart from the healthy bioavailability and free testosterone levels that my sex hormone itself was bouncing back and that my brain reestablished a perfect mind body connection and told my penis and balls to start producing testosterone again. I could tell because times I went to the gym I’d pump up like a motherfucker and two weeks of a good diet and working out would start to sculpt my horseshoe triceps again. Fast recoveries, the sudden burst to want to rep to failure, getting horny after leg days. I got lucky. I made a recovery where some men would be fucked for life.

But to be honest man. Yeah I don’t want a mass monster Mr. Olympia body, although I will say I LOVE Dorian Yates Tricep pose, I should get a poster of it and use it as motivation everyday. But I won’t lie. I want a V taper and traps that buldge out of your delts. I want my tits back. Naturally I can grow huge pecs and would love to see how big they get on heavy cycles. My damn forearms and I want my butt back.

Sure yeah maybe I could do it naturally. But I’m also at a point in life where I love the lifestyle enough to make the commitment and risk factor.

[956Vette]

I keep letrozole on the shelf when I run gear if I have to pull the oh shit handle. I already have gyno, I ran to much dbol and test prop before I knew what I was doing. Endocrinologist said they are extremely small lumps and actually when I jump back on testosterone they disappear. Now I do have some man boobs from eating to much cheeseburgers and sleeping on the sofa but like I told you, major depressive disorder. I think a dumb ass would think I have gyno my Endo/mesomorph body will look at cheese and get fat. If you were to look at my older brother, two older sisters, father and family you’d be like “what the fuck happened to you” lol. They are giants compared to me and we don’t even break 6 feet.

Back to the topic. Yeah I hear you. But to be honest I miss pinning. I actually love the whole process of loading back the syringe, air raiding and injecting. The whole process is taboo and that alone gives me a rush.

I recovered from 300mg a week for 8 months with no proper safety protocol since some junky stole my shit at an Airbnb and I’ve been struggling with depression ever since.

Don’t get me wrong dude… I bottomed out… bad… when I got low testosterone my dick fucking turtled itself 24/7 it was embarrassing. I got skinny armed and looked like a blimp and was overly emotional. To put the icing on the cake I relapsed into alcoholism where alcoholism alone lowers testosterone and raises estrogen. It was bad. I looked like trash and the turtles penis was embarrassing not to mention ED.

Somehow my body made the switch. I think I was forced into a situation that pissed me off so bad that it triggered my testosterone to fire again. My dick still turtles but it’ll decide to hang out now sometimes and I’m not as bloated. Endocrinologist said apart from the healthy bioavailability and free testosterone levels that my sex hormone itself was bouncing back and that my brain reestablished a perfect mind body connection and told my penis and balls to start producing testosterone again. I could tell because times I went to the gym I’d pump up like a motherfucker and two weeks of a good diet and working out would start to sculpt my horseshoe triceps again. Fast recoveries, the sudden burst to want to rep to failure, getting horny after leg days. I got lucky. I made a recovery where some men would be fucked for life.

But to be honest man. Yeah I don’t want a mass monster Mr. Olympia body, although I will say I LOVE Dorian Yates Tricep pose, I should get a poster of it and use it as motivation everyday. But I won’t lie. I want a V taper and traps that buldge out of your delts. I want my tits back. Naturally I can grow huge pecs and would love to see how big they get on heavy cycles. My damn forearms and I want my butt back.

Sure yeah maybe I could do it naturally. But I’m also at a point in life where I love the lifestyle enough to make the commitment and risk factor.

Life is short, how long would you be able(/willing) to afford a premium TRT clinic membership (w/ all the cross-sells, including extra bloodwork, anti-estrogen support & growth hormone)? Heart goes out to you, even if dishonest w/ your stats, lol. Please rule out self medicating upwards of a gram of testosterone with gyno present. Hope you continue to think on the subject this year and update the forum with good news sooner than later.

[Boostlag]

Life is short, how long would you be able(/willing) to afford a premium TRT clinic membership (w/ all the cross-sells, including extra bloodwork, anti-estrogen support & growth hormone)? Heart goes out to you, even if dishonest w/ your stats, lol. Please rule out self medicating upwards of a gram of testosterone with gyno present. Hope you continue to think on the subject this year and update the forum with good news sooner than later.

No gyno on 300mg didn’t need anti estrogens. On a cycle I wouldn’t dare. No I’m not lying and I have old friends who can confirm my figure and body shape prior to getting a crappy illness lol.

I’ve got a game plan but running a just prop 800mg week for an introduction back in would be what I would do AFTER my body fat is secured. I understand what you’re trying to do. It’s very common to do shake downs on new members and I’ve been part of it as well when I was active here years ago. It’s just a good way to make sure you in fact know what you’re getting into.