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these troops r dying 2 further the economic gains of the oil tycoons
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these troops r dying 2 further the economic gains of the oil tycoons
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This should be in the "IN THE NEWS" forum or at least in the "LOUNGE"
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Wrong Forum!!!
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don't spread this left wing propaganda around here dude.
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Everybody here has a right to state there opinion and beliefs. I am not saying I am on the same side however I disagree with censorship.Originally Posted by TexasTraps
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Yeah.... you are so right. Those soldiers are fighting and dieing just to make the oil tycoons richer. They aren't there to rid Iraq of Saddem's tyrant rule or to instill democracy and save lives. They're not there to protect the innocent from being tortured and killed. It's all about the money to be made from oil.
Please, know what the hell you're talking about before you open your mouth.
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People are injured in war... these aren't pics of your local boy scout meeting at the elementary school...
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what do u expect were in there country how do u want them to react ???we have no fuckin right beeing there we have enough problems in our country that should be taken care of before ,but anythimg for oil and bushs pocket !!!then there trying to feed us all were helping the pople bulll shit !!!since when did these dirty motehrfuckin politicains care boutpeople ??????kinda funny how us and uk have access to iraqa annual oil income fore the next 3 yrs !!!!1!lol god bless us the poeple of this county cause we will pay for it in the longrun !!!!!!Hate to tell you, but wars usually bring death. War is in our very human nature. War is inevitable. People talk and dream of world peace, but that's impossible with terrorist groups and power-hungry dictators (don't tell me Bush is a power-hungry dictator; we didn't conquer Iraq and convert it to a US territory.). There are countries out there that hate countries like the United States purely out of jealousy, and there aren't enough peace-talks and diplomatic actions in the world to change those people's attitudes. Saddam ate, slept, and breathed his hatred for the US. He even lied to his people and blamed every problem their country had on the US. We were "the Devil" in their eyes. You should be appreciative and even amazed at how low the casualty rate was for us. Compare those numbers to any previous war. Hell, if you're gonna complain about this war, why not complain about WWII. Look at all those innocent Japanese we killed with a-bombs. Maybe you should complain about the Civil War too!
Every soldier knowingly endangers him/herself and is aware of the possibility of being injured/killed during times of war. This is the job of an infantryman, as well as any soldier that is sworn in to serve our country.
Mods please move this to the appropriate forum...
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It´s war, people with different opinions shoot at eachother. What the hell do you expect? Offcourse they deffend there country!
I hope the young soilders souls (of both sides) finds peace.
Last edited by palme; 08-07-2003 at 10:43 AM.
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For all you that think it's really about the oil... (big N)
These people make sooo much money off their oil it's unbelievable - none of thier local national have to even work. The working class are basically immigrants, nonlocals from other countries (India, Phillipines, and so on...). They really have no economic tension and enjoy a prosperous life (even though some of their religious values seem strange in comparison to western beliefs). And with some Western direction they can learn to use their money to secure their regions future - rather than feeding some monarch's fat pocket.
Sure we need the oil now - but do we really need it? Is it just me or did we not finalize an electric car that could travel at normal street speeds... like 2-3 years ago. We kinda dropped that who electric car thing to let the Middle Eastern countries sit back and prosper for awhile longer. Cause if they had economic tension on top of their current problems - it would be an even bigger mess. And when we do finally start to use electric cars, most of our requirements for natural gas could probably be attained domestically.
Lets get rid of the terrorist cells, clean up the region and help them flourish so that if the day comes that their natural gas isn't as valuable as it is today - it will be less dynamic on their culture. So we can move to a more environment friendly consumer automobile like we had invisioned several years back - before all this shit started. And it may simply mean that the locals in the Middle Eastern countries gots to get a frickin' job
Bottomline - world issues are bigger than what consiracy theorist or the average person can translate. Shit just ain't that simple.
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DON'T POST SHIT LIKE THIS IN HERE.
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Last edited by PaPaPumP; 08-07-2003 at 12:11 PM.
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(Palme--I'm truly sorry I had to delete part of your thread , but it was just a quote that I hadto delete. Thanks for understanding.)PPP
Wtf are you talking about? The Mula is in IRAN. Saddam was a tyrann in IRAQ and he was never a religius fanatic. He only used talk about allah and jihad etc during the war to try and get help from the fanatics. But it didnt really help did it?
And i know were not suposed to talk about religion on this site...but i cant bite my tounge. Sorry, I had to bite it for you. You can PM me about this if you want.PPP
Last edited by PaPaPumP; 08-07-2003 at 12:18 PM.
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[QUOTE=palme]Wtf are you talking about? The Mula is in IRAN. Saddam was a tyrann in IRAQ and he was never a religius fanatic. He only used talk about allah and jihad etc during the war to try and get help from the fanatics. But it didnt really help did it?
And i know were not suposed to talk about religion on this site...but i cant bite my tounge. QUOTE]
Ok man. I disagree with you but hey, thats the beauty of our country. Let's all just agree to disagree and put this topic to rest. It already had it's time on the news. It doesn't need to be here in this forum.
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Last edited by PaPaPumP; 08-07-2003 at 12:20 PM.
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Palme we may have Christian fanatics here...but you dont see them flying into buildings killing thousands, or blowing themselves up.
If you want true peace in the region, make the middle east a sheet of glass. There is no other way.
Enough of all this now, lets get back to issues we can make a difference in...juice.
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KEEP THIS THREAD CIVIL OR I'M DELETING IT.
Thanks guys.
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Pheedno... why did you delete your post... you made a very good point.
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Because of previous occurrences in which tensions elevated(in threads from months ago), I had decided to refrain from speaking out on political and religious discussions in the future.
My statment, while truthfull with backing from research, has a potential to start a very heated dispute here which I do not want to instigate.
Also being that this thread started on the war in Iraq, a hijacking in religious controversy seems innapropriate.
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I see.... no problem, I was just curious is all.
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I think we should worry about our borders and who's getting into out country before we get too concerned about others. We have a huge influx of illegal mexicans crossing the border. They get to the US and immediately go to our government for aid and welfare. We have enough American's that are homeless and without healthcare that we should take care of first. I don't apprciate my tax dollars paying for people that didn't take the proper avenues to become a US citizen. Fuck em...Now we are spending tons of cash for aid stations in the middle of the deserts across the border because the illegals are dying from dehydration. Stay in your own damn country and it wouldn't be an issue. And, some of you are gonna say they don't know any better but those guides that cross them do. instead of chasing them down we need to shoot those bastards. No guides=tons less illegals. We should take care of our own before we extned help to everyone else. We even have illegals in the state parks in CA growing pot and shooting forest rangers. then they bring in another band of illegals to harvest it. We just had a couple raids in my hometown that sent 200 illegals back to mexico. they were snuck into the country and paperwork forged so they could work. That adds to our unemployment rate...
SORRY FOR THE RANT, I KNOW IT WAS WAY OFF BASE. JUST SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON MY MIND LATELY...
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btw: Pheedno - thats the organized CATHOLIC beurocracy - not necessarily Christians
And Ironfist - very true, illegals take work for others - however, due to welfare, many people are unwilling to do those jobs and due to ridiculous taxes and accounting, many employers would rather hire illegals instead of moving their busiesses out of the country.
and PPP is right - this thread WILL stay civil
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Pheedno - that difference in interpretation thing is a load of crap as well - I really do not understand the point of having the title if you are not living the principles that are clear to anyone who bothers to read for themselves without a preset agenda to prove what they want to do is right.
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Either you read my posts before I erase them, or you have the magical power as S-MOD to file them away.
In any case, I completely agree. Christian ideals, in any sect is based on scripture. Scripture obviously speaks against the issue here.
I feel that it is a huge mistake to grant title to this man, BUT they already had him playing in the game for the last what 18years which also doesn't make any sense on why so many people are outraged now. These outspoken departures I would of thought might have taken place when the man was ordained to begin with.
I have an unsettling feeling that this an agenda fueled decision with the makers benefiting in some way-Most likely cash cause they certainly are'nt bringing in new members
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Pheedno - I do have magical powersThat is a sad situation IMO - I cant imagine what it is like for the ones affiliated in other countries who are a LOT more zealous and face REAL persecution - I will guess that they all dissasociate - I agree tho that it never should have been allowed to get so far.
Anyway - dont want to pull this thread in another direction - the Iraq issues are very important as well.
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Yeah.... you are so right. Those soldiers are fighting and dieing just to make the oil tycoons richer. They aren't there to rid Iraq of Saddem's tyrant rule or to instill democracy and save lives. They're not there to protect the innocent from being tortured and killed. It's all about the money to be made from oil.
Please, know what the hell you're talking about before you open your mouth.
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No they have not hijacked airplanes and flown them into buildings. But they sure as hell have blown up buildings. Im not going any deeper but im sure everyone knows what im talking about.
Ironfist - Even tho were not in the same country we have the same problem. Thats one of the prices you pay to be a high industrial country
I feel your frustration bro!
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US troops came to iraq to:Yeah.... you are so right. Those soldiers are fighting and dieing just to make the oil tycoons richer. They aren't there to rid Iraq of Saddem's tyrant rule or to instill democracy and save lives. They're not there to protect the innocent from being tortured and killed. It's all about the money to be made from oil.
Please, know what the hell you're talking about before you open your mouth.
1-Takeover the iraqui oil
2-Establish a weak governement that will do everything in the favor of usa.
3-Have more troops in the middleast this will put pressure on iran and syria
those are the main reasons for the war, usa dont care about sadam dictatorship they actualy helped him in the war with iran,they dont care about innocent they actualy killed a lot of them from 1991 til now .
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What is wrong with that? Sounds like a step-up from what all those animals were accustomed to!
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the irony nothing from all those 3 goals will happen like they realy want ,the only thing we will see happening is bush leaving the white house
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Big Texan quotes.
Yeah.... you are so right. Those soldiers are fighting and dieing just to make the oil tycoons richer. They aren't there to rid Iraq of Saddem's tyrant rule or to instill democracy and save lives. They're not there to protect the innocent from being tortured and killed. It's all about the money to be made from oil.
Please, know what the hell you're talking about before you open your mouth.
"Please know what the hell you're talking about before you open your mouth"
Thats funny since what you typed is based solely on your opinion.
Nothing of what you guys typed is fact. The oil this, we shouldnt be there that. ALL OPINION.
20 threads on this same topic.
If there werent any newspapers or tvs, how would you guys know anything that was going on there???? And you all say your opinion is not based on the media.
GIVE IT UP. Unless you are came back from active duty from Iraq, STFU.
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the irony nothing from all those 3 goals will happen like they realy want ,the only thing we will see happening is bush leaving the white house
Yeah. You are right. Bush will be leaving the white house: In 4 and a half years. Who do you think is gonna win the election? Dean? Kerry?
Please. Get used to it is all I have to say. And happy thinking.
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Another thing. At the time. IRAN was bombing American troops and ships. Iraq was not a threat to us. IRAN was. The enemy of your enemy is your friend. When IRAQ becomes a threat is when we deal with it. We dealt with it. Yeah. We dont care about innocents. Thats why we bombed the **** out of IRAN during the Regan years.
Either discuss the full topic or dont bring it up.
I love how people bring up one thing and totally lose sight of its relationship to the situation of its time.
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That is how leftist make many arguments. I prefer the whole story, even if we get caught in a "but for" conundrum.I love how people bring up one thing and totally lose sight of its relationship to the situation of its time
Hey, here I am agreeing with, and laughing at Bermich.
I was thinking the exact same thing."Please know what the hell you're talking about before you open your mouth"
Thats funny since what you typed is based solely on your opinion.
Nothing of what you guys typed is fact. The oil this, we shouldnt be there that. ALL OPINION.
One more....
Again, I was thinking the exact same thing.Yeah. You are right. Bush will be leaving the white house: In 4 and a half years. Who do you think is gonna win the election? Dean? Kerry?
Please. Get used to it is all I have to say. And happy thinking
Okay, I will now be backing away from this thread, due to its political nature...too easy for folks to get bent out of shape...including me.
So, flame away...I won't feel a thing.
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i agree with militia guy on this one, 100%....so dam obvious.......u americans think that the world is stupid. and when ur government does something foolish everyone in the US tries to defend its stupidity. an 8 year kid wouldnt have made a decision as foolish as the one that the Bush administration made. and its a shame americans dont get BBC or aljezzera. cause its a totally different story. CNN, fox news, CBC are way to pro-american. spreading propaganda like the nazi's.
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i agree with militia guy on this one, 100%....so dam obvious.......u americans think that the world is stupid. and when ur government does something foolish everyone in the US tries to defend its stupidity. an 8 year kid wouldnt have made a decision as foolish as the one that the Bush administration made
Once again another OPINION feeling as though it is fact based on news.
For one thing: CNN in my opinion is VERY democratic.
The only comments I would respond to at this time as fact are the ones from my brother and his team since he was actually in IRAQ and any other soldier, civilian who just came from IRAQ.
The world of politics is bgger than your tv and newspaper.
Im sure most of the Iraqis who now have a better life dont hate our decision.
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Gundam you are a moran if you think Al Jazzira is anything other than a propoganda machine, or any press service for that matter.i agree with militia guy on this one, 100%....so dam obvious.......u americans think that the world is stupid. and when ur government does something foolish everyone in the US tries to defend its stupidity. an 8 year kid wouldnt have made a decision as foolish as the one that the Bush administration made
We have a saying, my country, right or wrong. We are a people of instant gratification. 9/11 happened, and we will kill anyone who we believe was involved or may become involved in the future, mistakenly or not. Might is all Arabs understand. If the Arab world wants to spread it's ignorant, violent ways beyond it's borders, then we have no problem making hasty decisions. I'm not interested in what the cowards of other nations think. We are the lone world super power. We will absolutely make mistakes. As the worlds most powerful free nation, we have that right. You would know what I mean if anyone actually gave a **** to crash planes in Toronto killing your friends and family.
Was our invasion a waste...lets see...Libya has opened it's doors willingly, Iran has opened it's doors willingly, North Korea has opened negotiations. If you do not swing your sword once in awhile to prove your metal, then you are nothing.
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Finally a good post....
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yea yea a good post because it is backing up your opinions
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yea yea a good post because it is backing up your opinions
Well yeah. Im not gonna say you have good posts cause I dont agree with you. That would be dumb.
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