How many sets for lats, traps

[Vibrantred94gt]

I have been doing 12-16 sets for lats, and the same for traps and am thinking that this is not needed. How many sets is good for your lats, and for your traps? Think 9 for each is okay?

Lately, I have been doing 9 sets of lats, and 9 sets of traps, then 4-5 sets of deads.

Each set is aimed to make it to 8 reps, barely.

How could I make this better?

I do bb bentover rows 3 sets
t-bar row, 3 sets
pullups 3 sets

upright rows..narrow grip 3 sets
hammerstrength trap machine 3 sets
seated pulley row (is this for the traps, or strictly the lats?) 3 sets

Then at the end, I do deads. been doing 3-4 sets of 5-8 and then a set of 2-3.

I just started doing this last week and am used to doin so much more. I just want to make sure that I am doing enough.

[Pheedno]

I don't see deadlifts bro. I don't even do shrugs anymore because of the growth I get from deadlifts

My back day
1 set- Wide grip chin
6 sets- Deadlift(2 warm up)
3 sets- Chest supported dumbell row
4 sets- Bent over row
1 set- wide grip chin
4 sets- T-bar

[Pheedno]

My bad bro, you have deads at the bottom. In that case, I would do deads first.

You have three major power excercises for growing. Bench, Squat, and deads, You don't do bench or squat last do you?

[BDTR]

Deadlifts are the mainstaple of my workout. I stopped working traps a long time ago and they grew way better from just deadlifts.

[TheMudMan]

4 sets of Chins - Every set I change width position
4 sets Bent Over Rows
4 Sets T-bar Rows or DB Rows or Seated Cable Rows
3 Sets DB or Straight Bar Pull overs
4 sets Deads

When I train traps I do them with shoulders and do like 3 to 4 sets

[Vibrantred94gt]

My bad bro, you have deads at the bottom. In that case, I would do deads first.

You have three major power excercises for growing. Bench, Squat, and deads, You don't do bench or squat last do you?

The reason I do Deads last is because they KICK my ass!! I think if I did them first the rest of my workout would be shit! They really hit those 2 muscles that go down the middle/center of your lower back. I think they are the erector spine or something like that.

So it looks like, from what you guys are saying, that I could do a little more than what I listed for my lats, and a little less for my traps?

I always liked to do my traps, I want that back that is very defined when I get cut. Speaking of cut, I'm off to cardio land.....cardio is great when you whacked on xenadrines!!!! I feel like I could Jog all day long!