Is Frank Shamrock natural or he uses some Juice

**catabolic kid** · 03-14-2006, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by BigRandy

yeah man it was just my opinion. neither of us will probably ever know the truth. he was small at lw. he had tiny calves.

Yeah, he is an awesome athlete though. I love how he dropped down to 205 and (at around 40) demolished Chuck...then TITO and then VITOR...that was great.

**Hunter** · 03-15-2006, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by catabolic kid

You know a wrestlers mentality....wrestle at the lowest possible weight...they are known for their extreme diets and weight cutting. Plus, in NCAA wrestling, the weight classes go from like 197 all the way to 275. There are not any weight classes in between that...so he had to pretty much wrestle at a low weight for his body type.

Also. lets say that was a pic of Randy wrestling at 197 ( ibelieve this is the class he was in) If he wrestled at 197, you know he was cutting weight for that. He probably was on a very strict diet (almost malnourishment considering all of the training wrestlers do). If he competed at 197, he was probably walking around at 205. 205 being his weight when he was on a very strict diet. If he were not always starving himself and trying to loose weight for wrestling...he very easily could have weighed in at 220 or 225.

Also, just wanted to add that I had a close friend in high school who was a great wrestler, and like all wrestlers, he was cutting to the lowest weight he could possibly compete at. After the season was over, he would gain like 15 pounds in 1 week...and he was only 125 lb or so...big increase in weight just by getting out of that wrestling lifestyle.

Excellent points espicially on wrestling. The extreme weight cutting has lead to water hydration tests being implimented in minnesota I know for a fact but I believe the nation in 2006-2007 season. I dont think Randy juiced but I could be wrong. For example the average amount of weight cutting on our team was around 15 pounds well most of us seniors cut between 20-30 pounds. I cut 25 pounds for my final 2 seasons and my friend cut 30. So randy at 197 in college its very likely he did walk around at 215-225. Excellent points by everyone on this thread

**dingobite** · 03-15-2006, 01:00 AM

I cant agree randy is all natural myself his change to my eyes went from frail 200+ to huge 200+ barely any smaller than triple H. I was shocked when i saw him after the broken arm deal he looked like he gained some real hvywt muscle. When he walked down to meet HhH for the hvywt challenge i didnt mind his bulking up one bit. When he stood infront of HHH though

His 225lbs as you say he weighs looked like 250lbs he almost looked like he was dwarfing HhH in size.

I weigh 200lbs now like alot of other people here if i dieted to loose weight cut out some of the protiens one or two things will happen for me within 2 months. Ill be a lean 180lbs loosing water from my midsection and be fine or i may even for a first time loose some muscle size with it.

I think he was on something i dont doubt it considering the last 3 years alot of wrestlers where putting on some decent ripped muscle.

Both pics have randy and HHH randy has some size in them.
Pics are small though.

**BigRandy** · 03-15-2006, 01:08 AM

those pics arent of randy couture

**Sharky72** · 03-15-2006, 01:18 AM

Thought I was losing my mind Lol

**RMBros** · 03-15-2006, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by catabolic kid

That is your opinion, and I respect it since you have made legitimate points.

But, I do not agree.

I do believe that it was his diet. He seems like the type of guy who outworks everyone...and would do everything in his power (without breaking rules) to be in his best shape. I know that he also has strength and conditioning coaches along with a nutrition coach. He was doing everything right and had a lot of help from expert trainers. Really, at 205 he was actually pretty small....look at his arms and especially legs...TITO looked like he was about 20 pounds heavier! Also, what makes you think that he got stronger...?

Part of the issue has to be the way that they treat Bonds and others who gain muscle after they turn 33 or so.

In baseball, it's considered complete proof of usage to gain that much weight late in your career. Why wouldn't the same logic extend to MMA or any other sport?

Not saying that proves anything, just saying that's the way people think.

One other reason for folks in any sport to use is additional red blood cell production - that's why world class bicyclers used to use - other drugs do that without the weight gain now.

**catabolic kid** · 03-15-2006, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by dingobite

I cant agree randy is all natural myself his change to my eyes went from frail 200+ to huge 200+ barely any smaller than triple H. I was shocked when i saw him after the broken arm deal he looked like he gained some real hvywt muscle. When he walked down to meet HhH for the hvywt challenge i didnt mind his bulking up one bit. When he stood infront of HHH though

His 225lbs as you say he weighs looked like 250lbs he almost looked like he was dwarfing HhH in size.

I weigh 200lbs now like alot of other people here if i dieted to loose weight cut out some of the protiens one or two things will happen for me within 2 months. Ill be a lean 180lbs loosing water from my midsection and be fine or i may even for a first time loose some muscle size with it.

I think he was on something i dont doubt it considering the last 3 years alot of wrestlers where putting on some decent ripped muscle.

Both pics have randy and HHH randy has some size in them.
Pics are small though.

Nice post, but we are talking about Randy Couture, not the pro wrestler, Randy Orton.

**catabolic kid** · 03-15-2006, 12:45 PM

Whenever someone is in great shape, it does not mean that they juice....there is such a thing as hard work. Randys physique and conditioning are very attainable, with dedication and a well thought out program, at his age.

BG · 03-15-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by catabolic kid

Whenever someone is in great shape, it does not mean that they juice....there is such a thing as hard work. Randys physique and conditioning are very attainable, with dedication and a well thought out program, at his age.

I agree, he might have juiced years ago but he looks like a normal wrestlers body, my two friends and I when we stand together with shirts off we all have a similar build, nothing compared to our friends that did not wrestle, for what ever thats worth.

**Timm1704** · 03-15-2006, 07:16 PM

lol clearly dingobite didnt read the actual thread. as for randy orton, he probably does use AAS as he is in the WWE and has a half decent physique. i dont think he looks that good tho. he does compared to the average guy on the street, but next to pretty much everyone else in the WWE, he looks like a child. anyway, back to the actual thread....

**dingobite** · 03-15-2006, 09:57 PM

Ehh thats me again.

At first i thought those pics where of the 20 year old in wwe.

Courture may have been on moderate aas in his earlier days and built off that i think hes super clean now.
Frank just doesnt seem all that natural though heck he was more ripped than a few of the serious 7 foot tall aas junkies in the old WWF or anyone of them without a beer gut. I could only dream franks kept it clean to date otherwise im ?

**groundandpoundpwr21** · 03-15-2006, 10:29 PM

Steroids in mma are like a totsie pop, the world may never know. Ken admitted it, sylvia tested positive, horn i think tested positive, everyone saw kerrs video though he was on that painkiller shit that was real addictive forget the name but they never showed him with any jucie that i remember. So until people are cought, you become best buds, or they admit it youll never know.

**groundandpoundpwr21** · 03-15-2006, 10:30 PM

OK brain farts over, kerr was on nubian.

**catabolic kid** · 03-16-2006, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by groundandpoundpwr21

OK brain farts over, kerr was on nubian.

Kerr was on Nubain along with other pain killers. I looked closely and saw 23 gague 1.5 inch needles (IM injections) and also there were humulin r vials.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 03-16-2006, 06:28 PM

i dunno, i just remember one time i was riding somwhere with mario yamasaki and i just randomly asked him who juices and every name i asked he was like "yup"
the only one i remember from that convo was Wanderle Silva

i wished i'd taken notes

**BigRandy** · 03-16-2006, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicBoy1981

i dunno, i just remember one time i was riding somwhere with mario yamasaki and i just randomly asked him who juices and every name i asked he was like "yup"
the only one i remember from that convo was Wanderle Silva

i wished i'd taken notes

sounds cool. did you meet him at a UFC event?

**ahammer86** · 03-16-2006, 07:25 PM

like 4 or 5 years ago in an interview frank shamrock admitted experimenting with steroids in the very late 90's but if i can recall in the interview he was trying to get a point across that he doesnt need them and that was just a specific time in his life.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 03-17-2006, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by BigRandy

sounds cool. did you meet him at a UFC event?

No. i took jiu jitsu under him for a year. He's a cool guy. We even went clubbin together once.

**USfighterFC** · 03-17-2006, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by groundandpoundpwr21

OK brain farts over, kerr was on nubian.

Kerr was on a lot more than Nubain. You name the script and he was on it. He was very fond of opiate based painkillers.

**sonar1234** · 03-18-2006, 07:26 AM

frank shamrock website has changed so much, before he used to talk about the benefits of whey protein add studies on there, add a section about the forgotten exercies, the deadlift was in there, and it was packed with information you could use.

Now the website is commerical and there are no more great articles.