Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie

[Gorgoroth_]

Hughes has gained a lot of experience since his right with penn.

Hughes beat some bbj dude not that long ago. I think it was Joe riggs, but i'm not certain. It was some blonde dude. Anyway, hughes broke that dude, put him in an arm bar.

[Hunter]

I hope you dont fall into alot of TMA hype talking about the death touch or anything else your right no martial art is supreme but BJJ, Judo, Sambo all have ground work and is all neccasary to compete in the mixed martail arts game of today. I would take BJJ of most TMA and you bring up groin strikes? in the early ufc's they were allowed but Gracie still seemed to win. You are right pulling guard does leave you open to Groin shots, but a TMA(most which have no ground work) will get a nut shot off but end up being submitted just my view on it.

[Hunter]

Hughes did beat Joe Rigg who is crosstrained but more of a ground and pounder then a BJJ guy. Hughes has developed some BJJ himself and often competes in ADCC and does well. Hughes has lost to Hallman twice(strong BJJ guy) Charatu(strong BJJ guy, in lots of peoples eyes should have one) Penn(strong BJJ guy with good striking) I dont know if Gracies BJJ is as modern but deffaintly as techinical.

[Gorgoroth_]

I hope you dont fall into alot of TMA hype talking about the death touch or anything else your right no martial art is supreme but BJJ, Judo, Sambo all have ground work and is all neccasary to compete in the mixed martail arts game of today. I would take BJJ of most TMA and you bring up groin strikes? in the early ufc's they were allowed but Gracie still seemed to win. You are right pulling guard does leave you open to Groin shots, but a TMA(most which have no ground work) will get a nut shot off but end up being submitted just my view on it.

As silly as it may sound to you, believe me, it is possible to tear out someone's eyes. I've seen people get their septiem's torn as well ( the meaty tissue between the nostrils. ) BBJ works in MMA, but not so well in a real fight against another skilled fighter. As far as I know groin shots were never allowed in UfC.

Another weakness in bbj are collarbone strikes. You break someone's collarbone and they can't do shit. If you could get inside a bbj practioneer's guard you'd have free access to his collarbone. the clavical isn't a very dense bone, so breaking it isn't all that hard. I've actually seen this done before. At first I thought the dude's shoulder was dislocated because his right arm was hanging real low. Looked really weird.

[Hunter]

I don't agree with your assessment that Royce won't push the "pace"... there's a difference to waiting for an oppurtunity to move rather than force a move with bad form. Royce is used to fighting MUCH longer than 5 minute rounds so he's used to feeling out his apponent for a lil bit before "pushing" the pace.

And honstely i thought hughes held his own pretty good for that round until he gave his back. Especially for a guy who doens't train to hard on his back.

You are right he requests longer rounds to help set up his BJJ and I am not insulting gracie at all. Penn one of the best BJJ guys keeps a good form well pushing the pace, in tournement I enter I push the pace and do fine with people who like to grapple at a fast past but have struggled with the more patient type who can frustrate me by shutting down my offense. I am simply saying Royce is very patient and if he lays there and does not push the action looking for submissions constantly met will GnP him. go watch UFC 48 Hughes vs Charatu excellent example of what I mean. Charatu pushes the pace when he is on his back forcing hughes to defend most of the match. Charatu in alot of peoples eyes one that match now if you go out there and dont keep hughes on the defensive you are in trouble. Thats what I mean Hughes struggles with guess who keep in on the defensive well I see gracie letting him implament his game a little to much

[Hunter]

I don't agree with your assessment that Royce won't push the "pace"... there's a difference to waiting for an oppurtunity to move rather than force a move with bad form. Royce is used to fighting MUCH longer than 5 minute rounds so he's used to feeling out his apponent for a lil bit before "pushing" the pace.

And honstely i thought hughes held his own pretty good for that round until he gave his back. Especially for a guy who doens't train to hard on his back.

You are right he requests longer rounds to help set up his BJJ and I am not insulting gracie at all. Penn one of the best BJJ guys keeps a good form well pushing the pace, in tournement I enter I push the pace and do fine with people who like to grapple at a fast past but have struggled with the more patient type who can frustrate me by shutting down my offense. I am simply saying Royce is very patient and if he lays there and does not push the action looking for submissions constantly met will GnP him. go watch UFC 48 Hughes vs Charatu excellent example of what I mean. Charatu pushes the pace when he is on his back forcing hughes to defend most of the match. Charatu in alot of peoples eyes won that match now if you go out there and dont keep hughes on the defensive you are in trouble. Thats what I mean Hughes struggles with people that do that well I see gracie letting him implament his game a little to much

[kihop]

I don't understand how people can actually pick Gracie to win this one.

I think it has something to do with rooting for the old timer/vet. i could understand this ytpe of mindset in fights like Couture vs. Chuck or even Shamrock vs. Sak.

But picking 40 year-old no-gi givemeamillionbuckstofight Royce Gracie over Matt Hughes who's in his prime? You gotta be kidding me...

[miguy82]

I don't understand how people can actually pick Gracie to win this one.

I think it has something to do with rooting for the old timer/vet. i could understand this ytpe of mindset in fights like Couture vs. Chuck or even Shamrock vs. Sak.

But picking 40 year-old no-gi givemeamillionbuckstofight Royce Gracie over Matt Hughes who's in his prime? You gotta be kidding me...

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I see it the same as u bro!

[sonar1234]

Gracie will win, i will complain so much to the ref that the ref will give the fight to Gracie.

Its quit sad but its like in pro wrestling legengs are draws, Shamrock and Gracie will always be big draws to the ignorants that dont know shit about MMA but know theses big names

[zimmy]

Grappling doesn't always win. Sorry. A real martial artist would rape gracie. End of story. His throat would be crushed, his larnyx pulled out, his testicles ruptured, or his eyes gouged. BBJ leaves you open to several different attacks ( mainly groin shots. )

Also, BBJ is a lot like highschool wreslting. In tenth grade I was the varsity 275 wrestler for my highschool. I won a lot of my matches because I was stronger than my opponents. I wrestled a 165 state champ from my school and beat him. He was easily ten times more skilled than I was, but I beat him simply because I could over power him. Kimo isn't the greatest BBJ fighter in the world, but he still put Gracie through HELL ! Gracie was so desperate in that fight, he ended up pulling kimo's hair. Kimo wasn't conditioned or skilled, and he still injured Gracie bad.

no offense man...but do you know bjj? Just curious cus that really doesn't sound like ya spar bjj. You learn real fast by fighting belts higher than you that size / strength DOES NOT let you win all the time. I agree in wrestling it's like that...because it's go go go the whole time. But in bjj size can get you in trouble some times.

[zimmy]

As silly as it may sound to you, believe me, it is possible to tear out someone's eyes. I've seen people get their septiem's torn as well ( the meaty tissue between the nostrils. ) BBJ works in MMA, but not so well in a real fight against another skilled fighter. As far as I know groin shots were never allowed in UfC.

Another weakness in bbj are collarbone strikes. You break someone's collarbone and they can't do shit. If you could get inside a bbj practioneer's guard you'd have free access to his collarbone. the clavical isn't a very dense bone, so breaking it isn't all that hard. I've actually seen this done before. At first I thought the dude's shoulder was dislocated because his right arm was hanging real low. Looked really weird.

is this another street fight VS bjj bit? Havn't you seen the online match where that one instructor challenges the gracies as long as he's allowed to eye gouge and hit any where he'd like? Look ... OBVIOUSLY not all bjj works in street fights...you'd hurt yourself doing some of those take downs...that's what vale tudo is for...and intriqual part of bjj.

as far as collarbone strikes? I don't think you have trained bjj...when you are on the bottom or top... you stay TIGHT...leaving mostly kidney shots open which dont' have much power behind em. When they open up with a punch in a guard, you go into an open guard by pulling both arms over your shins while holding them tight with your arms.

[Red Monster]

Hard to believe Hughes wont take this, but u neva know.

[Beretta726]

Ground fight = Gracie wins
Toe to Toe = Hughes wins

[fight in the dog]

i got money on hughes cmon its a bullshit fight to promote the sport which im all for but if anyone thinks gracie has a shot hahahahaha

[taiotosh7]

i got money on hughes cmon its a bullshit fight to promote the sport which im all for but if anyone thinks gracie has a shot hahahahaha

I believe Gracie has a chance, a pretty good chance........I still wanna watch him get sodomized though

[tobetutz]

Gracie introduced bjj to the word and is responsible for the evoloution of MMA to what we have today. You CAN'T compare the caliber of the earlier fighters to the ones that we have today, even with a shaved head Gracie would have eventually submitted kimo.

Now, in the present time Gracie in my opinion does not have the skills to fight these more well rounded fighters. Iam grateful for his contribution to MMA but I believe that Gracie is going to get thumped like we have never seen him get thumped before.

[Beretta726]

anyone know how much gracie is getting paid for this fight??...win or loss

[Dreaming2B-BIG]

Gonna guess Matt will win this one?