Yo im 19 and I kinda want to take a form of martial arts. What would be the best type for self defense if something came up? And how long would it take for advancement?
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Yo im 19 and I kinda want to take a form of martial arts. What would be the best type for self defense if something came up? And how long would it take for advancement?
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well... there is an entire forum for this and i'm sure this will be moved there when a mod sees it. But that's ok.
Couple of questions... you looking for just self defense? No art? I'd say muy thai or kick boxing...or even boxing...
If you are looking for an "art"... i'd say sanshou (i think that's how it's spelled). Vale tudo... Maybe akido (or maybe hapkido).
as far as your question about advancement? My warning to you is don't get caught up in belt advancement. For instants...you can get a black in TKD in 2 years or less. But what is that really worth? Advancement is great reward...but the real gift is the work it takes to get them. I do BJJ (which isnt' so great for street defense on it's own), takes about 10 years for a black belt and there are only 5 belts... matter of fact back in the day TKD used to take 10 years or so too before they started handing out belts to steal business from other schools. ANYWAY...got a little off subject sorry.
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what form of martial arts is most offensive?
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still havn't answered my question... do you want an art or a fighting style? They are very different and will change my answer based on that.
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fighting style
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Are you looking for excerise and sport or excerise and a more defense orientated style. Here all in my eyes worth while arts for self defense: Judo, wrestling(i prefere Greco), Sambo, BJJ, Boxing, Muay thia, Kyushin(sp) karate. Styles I dont find worth while Tae kwon do, Akido, many of the forms of karate or off shots of tae kwon do, kung fu, among others.
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I'd say Muy thai definately. Kick boxing is nice also if you don't have a good muy thai school around you. But Muy thai is a little better with elbows and knees. Kick boxing is above the waste ya know.
you can browse www.txmma.com to find a good local school of either. Just warning ya though...niether fighting style deals with the ground at all.
biggest thing is...what schools are available in your area. I live in houston so i can take what ever i want....i know that is how it is in austin too. But i know dallas and alot of smaller places are lil try when it comes to that.
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Originally Posted by mn_fighter
oh how could i forget sambo!
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It all depends... if you want to find a fighting style to "defend" yourself, im assuming u mean being able to hold your own at major social events where drinking is invovled and people all of a sudden have beer muscles...
If this is the case, I would chose boxing (Im biased because this is the most recent, and only art of fighting ive taken up) but based on the street/bar fights ive been in before this, and the techniques of boxing ive recently learned from a respected instructor... I would lean toward this...
When it comes to self defense at a social standpoint, most fighting is solved standing up... if you learn how to punch and how to work your steps... you will never get hit directly...
I thought I was king shit based on my "street fighting" record ( i dont start fights, but in my part of the city, u have to hold ur own, which i did).... but my trainer and good friend, tagged me the fck up the first time in the ring to prove I know nothing...
The best self defense move ive ever learned is to be able to learn to step back and throw the jab... no regular joe can continuously walk towards u and throw solid punches on the regular... keep steppin back, dodgin his punches, throw the jab while backin up, daze him, then throw the right... 95% of the time, he will hit the pavement
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what about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
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well...I love it and it works great on a one to one fighting situation. But honestly...alot of those take downs hurt you a lil too when done on cement. I mean you won't break anything but I did a basic sweep on a normal joe and it scraped alot of skin off of my elbow. Buttttt...because bjj trains hard and live , when you need to use it, it's there and ready unlike other styles that use kata's. BJJ also teaches vale tudo and some specific gracie self defense things for use when not for sport. I personally take muy thai / kick boxing with it because I really don't like the idea of being on top of a guy whose buddies might be right behind me.
BTW...best way to defend yourself is to not get in a fight. And there is never a need to be offensively fighting unless they are attacking someone else.
btw you are perfect age for bjj ... you'll still be young when you get your black
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haha i dont care about the color of my belt, there is just so many different types and im confused on what to take
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welp... you know what i would do ? Go to all the local schools in your area that we recommended(and more if you wanna of course). Sit in and watch a class. Talk to the instructors. See what interests you. This isn't a marriage or the army...you can start taking somfin and drop it for something else if it's not your bag
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so true man. if someone attacked me on the steet i would definitely throw first, and if i knocked him down, i prolly still wouldn't try to mount him, i'd kick him from a standing position. i would consider grappling better on the grass or beach, or if you absolutely must defend yourself.well...I love it and it works great on a one to one fighting situation. But honestly...alot of those take downs hurt you a lil too when done on cement. I
btw did you use a hip bump? cuz i could definitely see that scraping up you posted elbow.
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I'm horrible with remembering the names of the moves...I did the one where you take there back/side area, and put one leg straight behind them and bend the other leg as you sit towards the bent leg and pull them over your straight leg. Then as you fall you end up in full mount by throwing the bent leg over their body. I wish i membered that sweep's name
When i was moving into the mount it made me brush my elbow against the cement. Not hard enough to injury me, just enough to take some skin off :P
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A poor choice IMO. I prefer Kickboxing or Muay Thai. If its self defence you want then you want to stay on your feet and make good your escape when the oppertunity arises.
But really there's lots out there. As has been said above, it depends on the schools and level of instruction in your area.
Vale Tudo is an excellent fighting style, but its not self defence IMO.
Judo is tough (in the right club). Its excellent for self defence, but it has its short comings. I think the one major draw back to Judo is the lack of strikes. Most good Judo players I know would be lost in a fight where strikes where involved. But once a judo player gets grips on you, its game over.
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You wanna try Judo for take downs!. You'll know about pain then. Alot of BJJ clubs in Ireland are now cross training in Judo for the take down's. But in reality I believe their opposite sides of the same coin.
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alot of bjj take downs are in old judo books
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Studied Judo when i was 8 years old for a year til the school closed, i remember being hurt more then once with theses takedowns and throws.alot of bjj take downs are in old judo books
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For "self defense" specifically, I'd recommend Jeet Kune Do concepts or Krav Maga. JKD concepts incorporates anything conducive to self preservation and leaves out sport rules. They use headbutts, knees, elbows, boxing, kicks, knife and stick fighting, grappling, bites, eye and groin attacks. It's like a sampler platter of anything effective, then you can decide which styles you want more experience in.
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i went to a krav maga seminar...i wasn't terribly impressed. Alot of those moves woudln't work quite as well as they want them to if the attacker has even half a clue.
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I'm horrible with remembering the names of the moves...I did the one where you take there back/side area, and put one leg straight behind them and bend the other leg as you sit towards the bent leg and pull them over your straight leg. Then as you fall you end up in full mount by throwing the bent leg over their body. I wish i membered that sweep's name
When i was moving into the mount it made me brush my elbow against the cement. Not hard enough to injury me, just enough to take some skin off :P
This is called the "sit down" throw and is one of my best takedowns from within a clinch in either a submission match or vale tudo. I like it alot and you should'nt have scrapped your elbow doing it, the other guy should have been hurt bad, then again i do not know how effective you are at using it either.
Most likely your mistake was old school throwing the leg over to go to mount, it is better to keep cross side and then maybe go to knee on belly or stand back up and soccer kick.
Shit happens though.
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I hear that, i hate straight Judo pretty much because i don't like a ****ing headache everyday.
BJJ has all the throws of Judo (Judo comes from Ju-Jitsu) its just the fact that 90% of BJJ schools focus more on newaza and neglect standup throws.
Rickson's style of BJJ had tons of standup and throws, yet when i switched to Gracie Barra, they were more about double legs, single legs and ground work that relied more on being highly aggressive which i liked.
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muay thai
IMO, and i mean real legit muay thai
bjj, judo, boxing all good stuff though and would be my secondary choices (even though i started bjj before MT, i would flip it around if i did it all over)
if you want something real that is hardcore and will get the job done, id go wtih one of the above...id stay away from karate, kung fu, kenpo, or all that TMA stuff
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well honestly i was always a very small guy and i have never been able to stand up for myself and would like to. thats why i was thinking about taking a martial arts class. I would not go around picking fights but i would be able to defend myself if the situation arised.
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In all honesty, any of the styles that are popular in this thread would work in conjunction with weight training. Physical attributes go hand in hand with martial arts/ combat sport training. Being tough and confident is a state of mind. You just have to learn how to back it up.
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alot of bjj take downs are in old judo books
Judo, done properly use's little power in its takedowns. If you've read any "old Judo books", you'll have read 'Kodokan Judo' by Jigoro Kano and the important of breaking balance and conserving energy.
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And I think thats BJJ's failing in self defence. In proper self defence, or any kind of street fight the ground is the last place you want to be. Regardless how tight your ground game is once your down there your in a very vunerable & dangerous place.
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Yup- Bouncer knows. You can have the most beautiful omoplata or triangle to armbar combo in the world and it won't matter when you pull guard in a pile of broken glass against someone who has five friends kicking you in the head while you're down.
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Look into Krav Maga in your area ... this art exist only to inflict pain, and not meant as a sport or art really for that matter.. just seems that is what u are lookng for
TF
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krav maga is a military created way for the isreali army to defend themselves when unarmed and cornered i believe .
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it was created by the military army -- Moni Isaac to be specific, but in practice by the general population today, not for sport pr thr art form as i already suggested, but only as a means to protect yourself in any circumstance. a very no holds barred type of martial art centered around the quickest way to render your opponent helpless...
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the only thing is you're way, way way more likely to dinf a good bxing gym in your area than krav maga. you can become a certified KM instructor over the course of a seminar. it's fell victim to mcdojoism BAD.
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Brazilian Ju Jit Su and Muay Thai. That combination would give you stand up and ground skills but remember anything goes in a street fight.
Last edited by Beretta726; 05-31-2006 at 04:09 PM.
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krav maga looks very interesting
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Do a little bit of several things without committing.
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go to your nearest barnes adn noble...they have a krav maga book on the shelf...go thumb through it w/ some coffee... the moves are very basic so you can self teach that sh*t.
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I agree with this statement. In JKD you will be exposed to all forms of Martial arts so you can see what you like best. Meanwhile, Krav Maga will get you some tools in your box pretty quick and is very effective, especially against an untrained person. Jeet Kune Do was invented by a guy named Bruce Lee, maybe you've heard of him!
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The important thing is to get involved with some form of Martial arts so you can form your own opinion. Go with the best option available to you in your area. All the forms mentioned above are excellent and will get you headed in the right direction.
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i would recomend boxing. boxing teaches good foot work and good foot work is a good place to start learning.
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