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Question?
What does everyone believe the chances of an elite pride 205 fighter coming to UFC and killing everyone is. Like Anderson Silva did at 185. Someone who can't beat wanderlai (i.e. quinton jackson, ricardo arona) but could destroy everyone in the UFC light heavyweight division did. Hey if you want to wear a belt and can't win in pride?? Come to America and kick people in the UFC's ass.
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From my understand when Rampage fought Chuck, Chuck had an injury he's was dealing with before the fight. I would like to see Rampage come to the UFC so chuck could get some revenge and i think he'd do it too.
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I don' think Anderson came to UFC and dominated, he has one great win thats all. With that said, the top 3 in Pride would obviously have a really good chance of beating everyone in the UFC. Chuck is getting pretty old, and that leaves Tito as the best LHW in UFC. Wanderlei, Shogun, Arona would have a 60-70% chance of beating Chuck or Tito IMO.
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Rampage had a great gameplan when he fought Chuck back in 2003, is boxing was amazing.Originally Posted by rar1015
I wouldnt bet money on Rampage losing, i havent seen Rampage fight since he left Pride and yes he would be a great addition to UFC for sure.
I know WFA got him under contract or something.
Dana needs to get is wallet out and get some decent fighters in UFC and start building a strong company.
I know that nothing was confirmed for Alexander Emilianko but he would be just what the heavy weight division need in UFC an amazing always improving good all around fighter, Alexander has lost a lot of weight, mostly fat weight, is stand up has improved 100% and he was always great on the ground.
Pride has back down many times from deals with UFC, Dana sent is fighters a few times to Pride but Pride never did send anyone to UFC.
So if i where Dana i would just drop the Pride deals and go on my own.
By first starting to get my ppv cards right and not putting on just one good main event fight but an all around decent ppv, and giving the fans what they pay for by showing the prelim fights.
I dont remember which next UFC ppv that will be 4 hours long but the card really is a so so.
UFC and Dana have the power to make all this happen, they just have to wake up.
Anderson Silva was a great addition but now he is left without competition, seriously he just killed off Franklin like he was nothing will every other UFC fighters lost to him.
I mean WFA had there first PPV jammed pack with big names, ppv was bad but at least the big names where there.
My 2 cents
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Sorry bro my bad
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I am sorry but Chuck is full of shit, bu then again i would say something like that too if i got pummled like a bitch.
I asked Rampage face to face in Vegas when he is going to fight Chuck and he said "Awe man, i don't know".
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Yeah he said that because he knows he's gonna lose this time.
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Not trying to be a dick, but what the hell are you talking about? I said the top 3 from Pride would stand a very good chance at beating Chuck or Tito and you disagree and agree with it at the same time? It's really mind boggling. I've never seen Shogun fight, why would you say that when I said he has a better chance of winning then Chuck or Tito and for the record I've seen every one of Shogun's fights Meca, IFC, and Pride. You must've just not read my post at all.
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Sorry my bad.
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What is the deal with the chuck bandwagon?? Lets see he has beaten a 40 + year old randy cotour, a tito ortiz that everyone agrees is not that good, several grapplers that are fighting outside their element and abilities that never stood a chance, and the one time he faced real competition in rampage he got slammed like the last domino in an innner city money game.
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More than half of the MMA world needs to get their head out of Dana's a$$ and come watch some real fighters. Some fighters that the organization president doesn't feed easy meat to. Just my opinion everyone has got one and no one likes anyone else's. Sorry fellas just the way I feel.
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You know what would be an interesting pride vs. ufc matchup?
Nog vs. Tim Sylvia
Would love to see that.
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I agree I think nog would take it cause eventually it would hit the ground. But I do see him taking some punishment and eventually getting the sub
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Sylvia is a bit of a bad match up for Nog. Nog's takedowns are not very good, but I still think he would find a way to win. Nog could beat plenty of guys that Sylvia would lose to, but styles make fights. They'd probably trade for 2 rounds and then Nog would take it to the ground and make it count.
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It'd be interesting to see how Nog would dismantle Sylvia.
He's got a good chin, boxing skills and is closer to Sylvia's height/weight than most other HW's.
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Theres no Bandwagon....Chucks a good fighter. A lot of people who r big fans of pride jus bash chuck cause hes the biggest name in the ufc. He can strike /outstrike with n e 1 at 205 and he has the best takedown defense. Hes not overrated hes 1 of the best 205 pounders in the world. I think the fighters chuck has fought have been great but jus non of them r good strikers dats y they get killed. I hope they bring rampage and wandy and sum good strikers in to fight chuck then well c how overrated he is. If rampage cums to the ufc hes gettin knocked out by chuck and yes i saw there first fight
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Thank you $$TML 4 LIFE$$. I do like pride and there fighters and yes they have a lot of fighters who would demolish the ufc's fighters but not all of them. Why is it that if it doesnt have something to do with pride or there fighters it isnt good enough for some of you guys?
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No you cant really deny Chuch Liddell talent, lots of fighters great ones like Jeremy Horn, Babalu, decided to stand up and try to knockout Chuck, that was dumb from there part.
Randy Couture was a great fighter even in is 40, please respect the legend.
But i doubt he would do great against an all rounded fighter like Shogun, or any other great Pride fighter.
UFC and Pride are just not the same at all, Pride being by far the best in MMA.
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wanderlie, shogun and arona would all beat chuck with relative ease. hell in my opinion arona beat fedor in a old match and i think fedor would wreck tim sylvia.
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Thing is with Fedor (Fedor vs Arona that was in Rings 2000 i think) is that Fedor has evolved has well and gotten even better.
I dont think we can compare UFC to Pride, i got all the Pride DVD and some UFC dvd, i often watch one event from one company and switch to another event from the other company.
Pride is too big too good and has so much more to offer.
I have never seen a very bad Pride event, i have seen some very bad ufc events tought
"Even sexier than Siggy"
Yah, you cant compare a fighters performance (win or lose) from years past. If they are still fighting competitively then they have evolved with the sport. Take Wanderlei for example. I still remember him getting pumbled (sp?) by Vitor a couple years back. Good luck Vitor repeating that performance. That would be like saying.... Vitor beat Wanderlei, chuck and Randy both beat Vitor, therefore Chuck should destroy Wanderlei?
All very good fighters in their own. I dont think it would be fair to presume Chuck would get his ass handed to him by any of those 3 pride fighters. Styles make matches, any of those combinations of fights would be amazing to watch and each fighter has the ability to beat the other if someone makes a mistake.
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IMO if it were under MMA rules Arona would've gotten pummeled by Fedor. Give Chuck some credit, those three might beat him but not with ease.
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IMO shogun could be the guy to loose to liddell from the 3 mentioned (arona,shogun,silva),as his hands are not as fast and rangy..Arona is so explosive that he has the best chance of taking chuck..jmo
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Yeah I don't see Chuck staying off the floor for long with Arona.
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I agree them 3 would have a chance to beat chuck and chuck would have a chance to beat them but it would never be with ease...
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Arona in Adcc had a hard time taking tito down. Arona is not a takedown artist just really really strong. Chuck comes from a d1 wrestling background stood up against randy who is a better wrestler then most mma fighters. He would beat arona. close but he would win
"Even sexier than Siggy"
Yah, too many people knock Chuck for not using many skills during a fight. But truth be told, he makes you fight his fight. He keeps you on your feet and knocks people out as they attack. I think the worst thing I ever heard was someone refer to him as Chuck "lucky punch" Liddell. Whoever had made that comment a while back should really watch his fights.
Just cause it only takes the one hit to end the fight does not mean he did not put that punch exactly where he wanted it. His left hook is as accurate as any I have ever seen in the ring. Its headed for your chin or temple, regardless the location,it ends the same way.
To say any of those fighters would take Chuck with ease would be foolish. I am very sure they would take Chuck further than he has been tested in quite some time, but this will allow his other skills to show. At that point, the better, more prepared fighter will win.
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Very well said man, thats exactly what i was thinking.
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You might be right, its just Arona is so explosive and powerful and if he did get Chuck down he would be one of very few at 205 that might be able to keep Chuck on the ground. Or Chuck could blast Arona as he sprints forward with his head down. What do you guys think about Lil Nog/Chuck? Tough call for me.
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Nog is the more techinical boxer of the two and a great chin like his larger brother. I think the wrestling would be the differancne in the fight Nog would have a very hard time getting chuck to the mat. However he could trade hands enough to get a succusful shot off and put chuck on the mat. I would give it 75% to chuck and 25% to nog. Something about Arona are his leg kicks he could catch chuck very off guard with them. I think chuck is underrated however he has been getting fed one grappler after another so its hard to really see how good his stand up is. Its good but we need to see him fight another good striker to see where his stand up is truely at.
"Even sexier than Siggy"
... so who do we think can striek with Chuck successfully? or at least to make a good fight?
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no one in the ufc that i can think of. I wouldnt mind seeing Rich Franklin bulk up to fight chuck.
"Even sexier than Siggy"
thats an interesting thought, I'd pay to see that
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Arona not a takedown specialist? wtf?
He is one of the best takedown guy's in all of MMA, i don't think there is anyone he could'nt takedown.
Off the top of my head he has taken down:
Fedor
Wand
Hendo
Saku
Mezger
Overeem
Shogun (kinda hehe)
Shall i continue? Arona is strong as a bull and his takedowns are damn near unstoppable. He would take Chuck down no doubt in my mind, keeping him there? Now that might be different but he would suprise you.
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