randy couture big announcement

**CJC1981** · 01-09-2007, 10:19 AM

On the ufc website they are advertising the "inside the ufc" show with joe rogan. This week Randy Couture supposedly has a big announcement. Anyone think he is coming out of retirement?

**rar1015** · 01-09-2007, 10:38 AM

It wouldnt suprise me. He did say that if tito beat chuck he would come out of retirement to fight tito but tito lost so i wonder what it will be.

**ru-ga-ru** · 01-09-2007, 10:57 AM

Randy is a tough OLE boy.

But the question is: Does age play the biggest factor?

I always like a good fight, but a fighter must know when his time has gone.

And that is the hardest thing most of them have to deal with.

**CJC1981** · 01-09-2007, 12:26 PM

The ufc is known for overhyping "big announcements", but i can't think of anything else he would announce. If he does come back, i think it will be for an exhibition type of fight. Mabe bas?

**Quil** · 01-09-2007, 02:12 PM

I'll shit my pants if it's Bas, but I doubt it.

**CJC1981** · 01-09-2007, 02:25 PM

Knowing the history of the ufc over-hyping announcements, Randy is probably just announcing that he's having his wisdom teeth pulled, but you never know. Randy and Bas own a gym together so it's unlikely they would fight each other, but if randy is coming out of retirement, i would expect him to fight another legend.

**sonar1234** · 01-09-2007, 03:02 PM

Randy still has a lot of fight in him, and i think he defies is age, he is far better then Ken Shamrock at the same age.

I would love to see Randy Couture back in action.

**CJC1981** · 01-09-2007, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by sonar1234

Randy still has a lot of fight in him, and i think he defies is age, he is far better then Ken Shamrock at the same age.

I would love to see Randy Couture back in action.

I agree, but i don't think anything has changed as far as his chances of beating chuck. That's why i think if he does come out of retirement it will be for an exhibition type fight.

**Panzerfaust** · 01-09-2007, 06:04 PM

What a joke it will be if he decides to come back. It makes no sense and he is only getting older. Let him turn into another Shamrock for all i care, i thought he had more respect for himself and his image/career. I guess we shall see.

**sonar1234** · 01-09-2007, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

What a joke it will be if he decides to come back. It makes no sense and he is only getting older. Let him turn into another Shamrock for all i care, i thought he had more respect for himself and his image/career. I guess we shall see.

For once i disagree with you Randy might not be able to beat Chuck but he would beat Tito.

Please dont compare Randy with Ken Shamrock, Shamrock been finished til he came back in Pride in 2000, he was all juiced up with steroids and gased out real fast he did beat Alexander Otuska but gased out against Fujita.

Its all been downhill from there unless you want to count Kimo has a big win.

Randy Couture is a lot better athlete then Shamrock and i dont think he is gonna humiliate himself by coming back.

Even if he doesnt beat Chuck there are plenty of other guys he can bang with.

I have always been a Ken Shamrock fan of some sort but it was time for him to retire cause he was done, but Randy if you look at is last couple of fghts he is far from being done and can give hell to couple more people before he retires for real.

**Sepsis** · 01-09-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

What a joke it will be if he decides to come back. It makes no sense and he is only getting older. Let him turn into another Shamrock for all i care, i thought he had more respect for himself and his image/career. I guess we shall see.

randy still has it. he recently drew in a grappling match against Jacare who is one of the best grapplers and bjj artists in the world and this is after he retired. i think the big anouncement may be kurt angle vs randy. i would watch that.

**jbarkley** · 01-09-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

What a joke it will be if he decides to come back. It makes no sense and he is only getting older. Let him turn into another Shamrock for all i care, i thought he had more respect for himself and his image/career. I guess we shall see.

True story, once past 40 even if your in great shape, you don't recover as fast and taking a pounding has got to be a bitch. Recovery after training takes longer, recovery after a pounding even if you win takes weeks.

**Hunter** · 01-09-2007, 09:27 PM

Randy has all the tools except one, age. He is a legend no doubt but I doubt he will announce his retirement. He cant make another run at the title. You see he has lost some of his reflexes. He could be announcing crocop or something else. I doubt he is announcing his comeback.

**Quil** · 01-10-2007, 01:21 AM

Well, it appears to be Couture v Sylvia for the HW title...this is beyond me. Even if he were to win against Sylvia, I hate to see him get embarrassed against CC. Doesn't seem like a very good move to me...I wanted to remember him as he left the octagon after the loss to Liddell, signing autographs and taking pics with fans. Not like this. Damn Randy...

**Hunter** · 01-10-2007, 03:26 AM

Well I will always root for Randy, but this has me bummed out bad. Couture can beat Sylvia but I dont see it happening. The only thing is that Couture has the edge in ground control, tatics and athelitism. I just think Randy is to old for this fight.

**Panzerfaust** · 01-10-2007, 05:22 AM

What did i tell you..Couture vs Sylvia at UFC 68..what a ****ing joke man.

The UFC absolutely hates Sylvia being their champ and have gone so far to lure Randy out of retirement and bring CroCop in. My guess is that Zuffa has it planned like this:

Randy beats Sylvia and becomes HW champ (again)

CroCop decapitates Sanchez

Randy vs CroCop for the HW belt

CroCop reminds Randy with a brutal KO why he should have stayed in retirement

Sylvia tries to get his belt back from CroCop and gets pummled for his efforts

Box This* · 01-10-2007, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

What did i tell you..Couture vs Sylvia at UFC 68..what a ****ing joke man.

The UFC absolutely hates Sylvia being their champ and have gone so far to lure Randy out of retirement and bring CroCop in. My guess is that Zuffa has it planned like this:

Randy beats Sylvia and becomes HW champ (again)

CroCop decapitates Sanchez

Randy vs CroCop for the HW belt

CroCop reminds Randy with a brutal KO why he should have stayed in retirement

Sylvia tries to get his belt back from CroCop and gets pummled for his efforts

Not happy at all ... put both randy and sylvia in with cro-cop and make a fight of it.

**CJC1981** · 01-10-2007, 07:03 AM

I don't like randy coming back as a hw again. It doesn't make any sense. You can't beat liddell, so you put on weight to fight cro-cop? I don't think silvia is a good matchup for randy either. If monson couldn't take tim down, I don't see a 220 lb couture doing it either.

**sonar1234** · 01-10-2007, 08:24 AM

Muriloninja thats the move UFC had to make, like it or not Randy Couture is a big name.

I am not sure he is gonna beat Tim Sylvia, with is long reach but Randy is around 230 in natural weight.

UFC needs heavyweight and we the MMA fans need to give UFC a chance to get better.

I am on the Randy Couture bandwagon, i hate Tim Sylvia.

**Quil** · 01-10-2007, 11:26 AM

Randy said on Inside The UFC that he is walking around about 230 right now, so as long as he's in good cardio condition, that's not a bad weight for him. He was shredded at 205, so I'll be curious to see how he looks at 220-230. I will absolutely be pulling for him against Sylvia, but I think he could easily lose to Tim, Arlovski, CC, and possibly Herring (if Herring is anywhere close to his former self). This is just an odd move to me....

**D-Bo Dre** · 01-10-2007, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by CJC1981

On the ufc website they are advertising the "inside the ufc" show with joe rogan. This week Randy Couture supposedly has a big announcement. Anyone think he is coming out of retirement?

Maybe he's saved a bunch of money on his car insurance...

**Hunter** · 01-10-2007, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by CJC1981

I don't like randy coming back as a hw again. It doesn't make any sense. You can't beat liddell, so you put on weight to fight cro-cop? I don't think silvia is a good matchup for randy either. If monson couldn't take tim down, I don't see a 220 lb couture doing it either.

Couture is a much better "pure wrestler" then Monson. Randy was ahead of the score cards against both barnett and ricco(i believe). Randy is taller and will punch his way in. Also Randy will Clinch not take pitful shots from 10 feet away. Randy is also taller then monson. It may say he is 5'9-5'10 but he is actually probably closer to 5'8. Couture is over 6. Its a hard fight but I think he can do it. Odds against him or not he can pull it off.

**rar1015** · 01-10-2007, 08:04 PM

I wouldnt even consider his time off retirement. He's only been gone for what........a few months. Come on this is pretty stupid to see him come back and fight tim sylvia IMO.

**Panzerfaust** · 01-10-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by mn_fighter

Couture is a much better "pure wrestler" then Monson. Randy was ahead of the score cards against both barnett and ricco(i believe). Randy is taller and will punch his way in. Also Randy will Clinch not take pitful shots from 10 feet away. Randy is also taller then monson. It may say he is 5'9-5'10 but he is actually probably closer to 5'8. Couture is over 6. Its a hard fight but I think he can do it. Odds against him or not he can pull it off.

I agree..Couture has a totally different wrestling style than Monson. Stop and think, when was the last time you saw Randy shoot a double from way outside? He does most of his wrestling and postioning within the clinch which comes from his Greco Roman background.

Couture is 6'2

He will take the fight to Sylvia regardless.

**sp9** · 01-10-2007, 08:19 PM

wow - did not hear about this. a shocker! I am not a Tim fan, and Randy is a class act. I just will hate it if Randy gets hurt bad.

**zodiac666** · 01-10-2007, 11:10 PM

a lot of people criticize athletes who were great and try to make comebacks when they're older, but they just love their sport. randy just loves to fight, even if he gets his ass kicked i'll still be a fan. i actually think he has a decent shot at silvia but like said above his reflexes are definitely not what they used to be. not sure i would even want to watch him Cro Cop though

**Quil** · 01-11-2007, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by zodiac666

not sure i would even want to watch him Cro Cop though

Me either...I think that's what bugs me most...it's not this fight against Sylvia, it's the potential for an ass whipping at the hands of CC.

**CJC1981** · 01-11-2007, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

I agree..Couture has a totally different wrestling style than Monson. Stop and think, when was the last time you saw Randy shoot a double from way outside? He does most of his wrestling and postioning within the clinch which comes from his Greco Roman background.

Couture is 6'2

He will take the fight to Sylvia regardless.

I know couture isn't the same type of fighter as monson, I was just saying that silvia can stuff takedowns from a very talented grappler who is relatively young, and in great shape. Granted monson's striking was non- existent. Couture always seemed king of sluggish as a HW. To me he was much more impressive as a LHW.

**Hunter** · 01-11-2007, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by CJC1981

I know couture isn't the same type of fighter as monson, I was just saying that silvia can stuff takedowns from a very talented grappler who is relatively young, and in great shape. Granted monson's striking was non- existent. Couture always seemed king of sluggish as a HW. To me he was much more impressive as a LHW.

Couture beat Rizzo twice, once by stoppage. Rizzo is a better striker with heavier hands(in his prime) then sylvia. You defend the clinch you dont "stuff it". Couture put Rizzo, Barnett and Ricco all on there back and tim is not on barnett's level nor a prime Ricco and Rizzo. I have Couture taking this by decision now that I have thought it out over a couple of days.

Wrestling:Couture
Subs:Couture
Speed: Couture
Conditioning:Couture(even at like 40 something)
Tatics:Couture
Striking: Tim.

**CJC1981** · 01-11-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by mn_fighter

Couture beat Rizzo twice, once by stoppage. Rizzo is a better striker with heavier hands(in his prime) then sylvia. You defend the clinch you dont "stuff it". Couture put Rizzo, Barnett and Ricco all on there back and tim is not on barnett's level nor a prime Ricco and Rizzo. I have Couture taking this by decision now that I have thought it out over a couple of days.

Wrestling:Couture
Subs:Couture
Speed: Couture
Conditioning:Couture(even at like 40 something)
Tatics:Couture
Striking: Tim.

Your analysis makes sense to me except for conditioning, and rizzo being better than silvia. I haven't seen the tape in a long while, but as best i can recall, randy gassed out when he fought rizzo. Silvia went a whole, albeit boring, 5 rounds boxing arlovski and didn't look gassed. The fact is if tim stays vertical with randy he is in no danger. Tim has proven he can stay vertical against monson and arlovski (2nd fight) by using his superior stand up and great sprawl. Couture is a legend and a great fighter (in his prime), but he has proven he can be put to sleep. Everyone including myself loves randy and what he has done for mma, but i think mma fans in general underestimate tim silvia. I pick silvia winning by KO sometime in the 4th or 5th round after randy gasses and drops his hands, but as always i could be wrong.

**BgMc31** · 01-11-2007, 02:10 PM

I'm going to take a different stance than anyone else here. I think the UFC and Dana White hate Tim Sylvia as the HW champion because his fights are sh*t. But in order to make him credible against CroCop he needs to beat a major name in the division and Couture is that only name. If he beats Couture, UFC can hype the fight as Sylvia who destroyed probably the most loved and respected UFC champ of all time against CroCop the baddest on the planet. So I'm guessines UFC is hoping for a Sylvia victory to legitimize a CroCop fight. Just IMO!

**Quil** · 01-11-2007, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

I'm going to take a different stance than anyone else here. I think the UFC and Dana White hate Tim Sylvia as the HW champion because his fights are sh*t. But in order to make him credible against CroCop he needs to beat a major name in the division and Couture is that only name. If he beats Couture, UFC can hype the fight as Sylvia who destroyed probably the most loved and respected UFC champ of all time against CroCop the baddest on the planet. So I'm guessines UFC is hoping for a Sylvia victory to legitimize a CroCop fight. Just IMO!

I think you've probably got some valid points here...I see it as a win/win situation for the UFC. If Tim wins, then he's got a little more hype behind him for the CC fight; a little more credibility. If Randy wins, then the UFC has a beloved fighter back as champ, and an even bigger fight upcoming against CC.

**Hunter** · 01-11-2007, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by CJC1981

Your analysis makes sense to me except for conditioning, and rizzo being better than silvia. I haven't seen the tape in a long while, but as best i can recall, randy gassed out when he fought rizzo. Silvia went a whole, albeit boring, 5 rounds boxing arlovski and didn't look gassed. The fact is if tim stays vertical with randy he is in no danger. Tim has proven he can stay vertical against monson and arlovski (2nd fight) by using his superior stand up and great sprawl. Couture is a legend and a great fighter (in his prime), but he has proven he can be put to sleep. Everyone including myself loves randy and what he has done for mma, but i think mma fans in general underestimate tim silvia. I pick silvia winning by KO sometime in the 4th or 5th round after randy gasses and drops his hands, but as always i could be wrong.

No randy didn't gas in the first meeting he took so many leg kicks that he had to to physical therapy for months to walk again. Rizzo in his prime is ten times the striker that silvia is. Silva is a boxer who throws one or two knees and a high kick against a old tellingman. Rizza dropped people left and right he had vicous low kicks a much more complete striker. Tim caught Ricco who later went to pride and got robbed in a decision against Nog. Randy can close the distance and when he clinches his arms will be right at times lower back where he wants them. Randy is going to take this fight UD

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