Does Pride have a chance to make it in the USA

[sonar1234]

I dont know how well the first event did and i dont know how there second event did talking about ppv buyrate.

I know that UFC is there to stay in the USA, and that someone at Sherdog said that Pride would be for serial killers and people with insomnia (Another idiot).

What do you guys think, i mean Pride is for sale right, but with everything going on does it stand a chance on American market or it will just be wipped out like the old WCW.

[orton4]

thats a good question... in my eyes what really makes PRIDE a great organization is the rules that it has.... PRIDE doesnt have the same rules when they are in the US so i hate that... but i think PRIDE has more depth within their weight classes than UFC does... now im not saying that a certain UFC champ wouldnt be able to beat a PRIDE champion... or vice versa but PRIDE i feel has more depth and better fighters within their weight classes.... If PRIDE is up for sale it would be interesting to combine UFC and PRIDE together for some sick fights and tournaments.... i do feel some PRIDE fighters would not like the rules i.e. Chute Boxe... if they combined dana white would be on his way to becoming the Vince Mcmahon of the MMA world

[rar1015]

thats a good question... in my eyes what really makes PRIDE a great organization is the rules that it has.... PRIDE doesnt have the same rules when they are in the US so i hate that... but i think PRIDE has more depth within their weight classes than UFC does... now im not saying that a certain UFC champ wouldnt be able to beat a PRIDE champion... or vice versa but PRIDE i feel has more depth and better fighters within their weight classes.... If PRIDE is up for sale it would be interesting to combine UFC and PRIDE together for some sick fights and tournaments.... i do feel some PRIDE fighters would not like the rules i.e. Chute Boxe... if they combined dana white would be on his way to becoming the Vince Mcmahon of the MMA world

Pride does have a lot better fighters that the UFC does but not everyone.

Also correct me if im wrong but now that they are having events in the states they have to follow the NSAC's rules so they basically have the same rulebook as the UFC.

[soo2bhuge]

I like Pride simply because it's competition to UFC. This creates competition and there's no monopoly by one company, such as the case with UFC in the states. It allows for fighters to get paid more and gives them exposure. I hope that Jerry Millen (or wahtever the American president's of Pride name is) buys the company and not Zuffa. If Zuffa buys Pride, then as much fun as it would be to see the best fighters of the 2 organizations fight each other, they wouldn't get paid as much as they should.

[sonar1234]

Yeah but UFC are signing major names in MMA.

[spywizard]

cities in this area of the country are banning the events and the boxing commissioner is not sure where they stand on the sport..

[sonar1234]

cities in this area of the country are banning the events and the boxing commissioner is not sure where they stand on the sport..

That really sucks, MMA has worked so damn hard to be a sport and is very exciting.

[spywizard]

the city councils are saying it's not for the public good, and immoral..

this is 2007 correct??? i mean it's not 1932 right??

[siimjim13]

That pride 33 card was unbelievable. That was much more entertaining then any UFC card i have seen in a long time. I would rather watch pride then UFC any day, but i also wanna do chuck take on hendo.....

[sonar1234]

That pride 33 card was unbelievable. That was much more entertaining then any UFC card i have seen in a long time. I would rather watch pride then UFC any day, but i also wanna do chuck take on hendo.....

Thats why i dont want Pride to go away its really great MMA and the shows are amazing.

[CJC1981]

Pride 33 was a great card with great fights, but i don't think the outcome of hendo v silva, or diaz v gomi helped pride at all. After pride 33 it's really hard to argue that silva could beat liddell. It also doesn't look good that gomi got taken out by diaz fresh out of ufc. IMO the only clear advantage pride ever had over ufc was at one time they had a clearly deeper talent pool. That advantage is not as apparent as it once was and pride 33, although it was exciting, didn't help pride's image.

[gixxerboy1]

the city councils are saying it's not for the public good, and immoral..

this is 2007 correct??? i mean it's not 1932 right??

2007 yes just checked my calendar

[Panzerfaust]

Pride is not for sale, it has been said many times people. Sakikibara is not selling his "baby".

[zimmy]

lol...ask mirol's credit card company :P If he has anything to do with it they will keep coming here.

[sonar1234]

Pride is not for sale, it has been said many times people. Sakikibara is not selling his "baby".

Thanks Murilo that is great news. I just hate it when rumors like this pop up on sherdog, and that Dana from the UFC is interested in buying Pride.

That Sakikibara was seen getting out of the WWE office.

[uponone23]

Everything is "for sale" for a price... Will Pride sell out anytime soon or ever for that matter... Doubtful.. but is it possible?? I would have to think so. There are several media companies in the world with that kind of buying power.... WWE is one of them. God save us all if that were to ever happen... I would sign myself up to be cryogenically frozen so I wouldn't have to endure the pain...

We all remember how well WWE did with football right?? So hey why not ruin another sport...

[sonar1234]

We all remember how well WWE did with football right?? So hey why not ruin another sport...[/quote]

Back in 1991 Vince Machman started the WBF world Bodybuilding Federation and stole a lot of big bodybuilding names, Gary Strydom, Mike Christian to name a few.

He messed that in a big way and closed everything in 1992, i remember he had some magazine out and everything.

Is next big screw up was the XFL football league he is still paying hard money on this i think 80 000 000 Millions for that fiasco.

He even screwed the WCW vs WWE invasion. DUMB

I dont want him to touch MMA at all and turn it into a big dumb gimmick

[Panzerfaust]

Some of you are far behind the news. The talks with WWE broke down and there is no further discussion taking place for months now.

Ed Fishman is trying to buy Pride and as of right now rumours have it that he is doing his damndest to buy Pride and will go as far as to try to block the April event in Vegas and block US TV sponsorhips if he does not get his way. That is the latest news.

[soo2bhuge]

Some of you are far behind the news. The talks with WWE broke down and there is no further discussion taking place for months now.

Ed Fishman is trying to buy Pride and as of right now rumours have it that he is doing his damndest to buy Pride and will go as far as to try to block the April event in Vegas and block US TV sponsorhips if he does not get his way. That is the latest news.

It's a shame that he has to resort and stoop down so low to buy Pride, but at the same time, it's better than Zuffa buying Pride.

[BgMc31]

A little inside Vegas info for you all... The guys that own Zuffa, The Fertitta brothers (Frank and Lorenzo), just sold their casino business (Stations Casinos which is 13 properties in Clark County, and 5 casinos in other states) for just over 5 billion. Yeah the billion with a 'B'. So if they want to buy Pride, I think they have more than enough loot to do so.

Major sports are the only businesses that benefit from monopolies. Just look at the NFL, MLB, NBA. The big thing that these all have in common are they all have unions that provide for athletes incomes (albeit the NFL is the weakest of the three by far). If MMA had a union, a monopoly in the sport would see it grow faster and stronger. That is the only thing that is holding boxing back now.

Just my .02

[uponone23]

I heard about this recently... Fishman is an odd case... He has alot of capitol in his control. No one really knows who he is, but he is every bit as powerful (and rich) in Las Vegas as is Binion, Wynn, or Donald Trump.

[BgMc31]

I heard about this recently... Fishman is an odd case... He has alot of capitol in his control. No one really knows who he is, but he is every bit as powerful (and rich) in Las Vegas as is Binion, Wynn, or Donald Trump.

I think you are referring to the guy who owns Coast casinos. He is selling his properties as well.

[soo2bhuge]

A little inside Vegas info for you all... The guys that own Zuffa, The Fertitta brothers (Frank and Lorenzo), just sold their casino business (Stations Casinos which is 13 properties in Clark County, and 5 casinos in other states) for just over 5 billion. Yeah the billion with a 'B'. So if they want to buy Pride, I think they have more than enough loot to do so.

Major sports are the only businesses that benefit from monopolies. Just look at the NFL, MLB, NBA. The big thing that these all have in common are they all have unions that provide for athletes incomes (albeit the NFL is the weakest of the three by far). If MMA had a union, a monopoly in the sport would see it grow faster and stronger. That is the only thing that is holding boxing back now.

Just my .02

The problem is "If MMA had a union" because if Zuffa owns mma, or at least the biggest promotions in the world Pride and UFC, than they can easily dictate what happens and what doesn't. It wouldn't benefit them to have a union for the fighters and if the fighters decided to form a union than Zuffa can always find fighters who are willing to fight for less.

[Panzerfaust]

Pride 33 has gotten more press than most know, check them out:

FOX:
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6509162

LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/

CBS:
http://www.sportsline.com/boxing/story/10021419

Long Beach Press Telegram:
http://www.presstelegram.com/sports/ci_5300886

The News Coverage:
http://thenewscoverage.com/338/pride-33-fight-card/

Houston Chronicle:
http://blogs.chron.com/fighting/2006...s_to_stay.html
http://blogs.chron.com/fighting/2007...o_claim_m.html

San Antonio Spurs Forum:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57222

411 Mania:
http://www.411mania.com/sports/other_sports/51140

[BgMc31]

The problem is "If MMA had a union" because if Zuffa owns mma, or at least the biggest promotions in the world Pride and UFC, than they can easily dictate what happens and what doesn't. It wouldn't benefit them to have a union for the fighters and if the fighters decided to form a union than Zuffa can always find fighters who are willing to fight for less.

I understand your point, but what I was saying is the major sports have stipulations between themselves and the unions. Every athlete in those organizations have to join the unions and the organizations cannot look outside the unions for talent. With these in place, the organizations and the unions must compromise on fighter pay based on talent, caps, and other factors. But this can only happen when there is one organization, this prevents athletes from going between organizations and prevents the organizations from looking for talent elsewhere.