Dana vs Tito

[Schwarzenegger]

Wut was up with that bad blood dana vs tito on spike last night? I was expecting them to actually duke it out on the show but that was not the case. I want my 1.5 hr back hah. They were trying to make tito look like the bad guy. If tito lost it would have basically ended his career. I dislike Dana and now know why Tito's career has been abysmal lately.

[pepperoni]

Im surprised Tito ditched the weigh ins, when he was the one that asked for it in the first place. I dont really see what Dana did wrong to Tito, he helped him a lot as a manager it seemed, and didnt make anything from it at all.

[Tony Bologna]

That's what you get when Tito feels disrespected. He played Dana and most likely never had any intentions of sparring w/ him in the first place, and for Dana to say he never made any money of managing the then light heavyweight champ was some b.s...

[BgMc31]

What was the purpose of that show? It seems to me Dana wants to be the most popular person in MMA, not any of the fighters. I mean the man commands more airtime than Don King ever did. This was definately an effort to boost HIS ego and his popularity. Trying to keep the focus on himself instead of his fighters could be the downfall for the UFC. The Fertittas really need to start to reel him in now or it could lead to some adverse affects on the overall product. Dana comes across as one of those guys who was never a great athlete and always wanted to be (ie Mark Cuban, owner of the Mavs). Now he has the money to make people think he is bigger than any athlete. Pure ego. I'm glad Tito didn't show up, it was a no win situation for him and I think he knew it was simply a ego boost for Dana. Good for Tito!!

[Quil]

Are you guys serious?! Tito is the one who wanted the fight in the contract...he specifically asked for it. SpikeTV followed Dana around for like 6 months in anticipation of showing the bout following the show, and then Tito not only backs out but doesn't even show up. He leaves a voicemail saying "I'm letting you off the hook...". I agree it's a no-win situation for Tito, but he shouldn't have asked for the fight to begin with. Say what you will about Dana and his ego, but I don't see this being his fault. He put in the time and prepared because he said he would...he even went through all that BS with the NSAC to get the fight sanctioned...all for nothing. I'm sure that's what Tito had in mind all along.

[Schwarzenegger]

maybe this is a promotion spectacle, similar to the antics of wwe. hah

[AnabolicBoy1981]

How can you say its Dana's ego or fault? Its not. Dana did mor for tito than he ever needed to. When dana told tito he couldnt be manager, tito did the typical thing that his kind do...take it as an offense to loyalty....which it wasnt. Dana was NOT ALOUD to be manager and president at the same time, HE EXPLANED that. if tito doesnt understand that then he is a retard who doesnt understand business. Chuck understood it. Dana and chuck are still friends. But tito. i dunno...maybe he has parental abandonment issues and he feels "cut off" by dana leaving him. SO CRY LIKE A BABY TITO!
dana had no choice. besides, if dana didnt buy the UFC and turn it into the beast it is today, THERE WOULD BE NO UFC! Dealing witht the likes of tito must be so frusterating for him.
Only thing i can figure as to why tito didn show was to make dana train all those weeks for nothin and to have him feel like an idiot for puttin ll that tim and effort into it and boom, NOTHIN.

[armbar83]

How can you say its Dana's ego or fault? Its not. Dana did mor for tito than he ever needed to. When dana told tito he couldnt be manager, tito did the typical thing that his kind do...take it as an offense to loyalty....which it wasnt. Dana was NOT ALOUD to be manager and president at the same time, HE EXPLANED that. if tito doesnt understand that then he is a retard who doesnt understand business. Chuck understood it. Dana and chuck are still friends. But tito. i dunno...maybe he has parental abandonment issues and he feels "cut off" by dana leaving him. SO CRY LIKE A BABY TITO!
dana had no choice. besides, if dana didnt buy the UFC and turn it into the beast it is today, THERE WOULD BE NO UFC! Dealing witht the likes of tito must be so frusterating for him.
Only thing i can figure as to why tito didn show was to make dana train all those weeks for nothin and to have him feel like an idiot for puttin ll that tim and effort into it and boom, NOTHIN.

getting people to feel this way about dana is the reason this show aired at all. dana is a douche and is using this program to one up tito. sure tito is an ass but dana has gotten you to regurgitate on this forum everything he said during that show, so it worked. you didnt hear from tito, the whole show was about dana, how dana trained and sacrificed, how he helped tito, how tito was immature with dana, how dana took the prodigal son back after he feel away, and how tito one last time shat on dana. this was retarded and a waste of everyones time. if dana was as mature as he pretends, that show would have never made it on air. until they start paying fighters more, im going to feel negative toward dana

[armbar83]

he is the worst kind of promoter/president, one who has been a manager already. you cant sell a car to a car salesman, hes going to steal if from you...

[orton4]

if you follow on like sherdog or ne of those sites it was announced the fight wasint going through. so what they did was just finish up the story and documentary since they already put so much time into it... it was a dissapointment for sure

[Quil]

Dana gave an interview on ESPN News where he said that Tito had declined the fight, but that since Spike had already put so much into the production of the show, that they were going to air the buildup anyways without the fight.

I'm sure Dana has more than enough ulterior motives for doing this, and I can't say I like all his management decisions with the UFC. But I definitely believe Tito straight up backed out of the fight.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

getting people to feel this way about dana is the reason this show aired at all. dana is a douche and is using this program to one up tito. sure tito is an ass but dana has gotten you to regurgitate on this forum everything he said during that show, so it worked. you didnt hear from tito, the whole show was about dana, how dana trained and sacrificed, how he helped tito, how tito was immature with dana, how dana took the prodigal son back after he feel away, and how tito one last time shat on dana. this was retarded and a waste of everyones time. if dana was as mature as he pretends, that show would have never made it on air. until they start paying fighters more, im going to feel negative toward dana

Nope, not really. I believe dana, because i know ppl like tito. They are weird ppl. They have this thing with loyalty that is good when its good, and bad when its bad. It stems from 2 things. A.) South american culture B.) broken home abandonment issues.
I have always noted that latinos and brazilans have this double edged swored with loyalty and comradery that is a phony bunch of crap they use to create a false sense of brotherhood. When the smallest thing comes between them(even if the issue could be reasonably handeled) they take it as an offence towards loyalty, AND WITHOUT DISCUSSION, they cut you off. This happens in their friendships, businesses, and GANGS especially. Case in point: I had a partner who trained in renzo gracies school in new york. Renzo, him and serra where real tight and this and that. Renzo KNEW he crosstrained at other places. So my training partner goes and trains his striking in new jersy and mentioned it in conversation to somebody one day. Renzo comes over to him, asked him about it, he explaines ,but he said after he said the intital "yes" ,renzo just kinda looked off to the side as if not paying attention. then without a word walks back into the office. Serra comes out and tells him to leave. He tries explainin to serra but he was so brainwashed by renzo with his dick in his mouth ,that he didnt listen to my friend. He tried calling renzo. Even wrote a letter. Nothin. No response. THATS THE WAY THEY ARE. Between mexicans, puerto ricans cubans, and brazilians there is this common sense of brotherhood that i observed. As easy as they take you in, they will just as easily cut you off. Its a load of crap, and i see it all the time. Hot and cold.
Tito, fits the bill completely for this. A) number one,Hes puerto rican. 2.)He trains MMA which includes BJJ and through BJJ circles pervades that whole sense of"loyalty, brotherhood, etc" And 3.)He also has a very strong and outspoken, and unnecessary sense of brother hood for the fans.
The whole fan thing is a great example. Fans are nice. Fans are great. But doing everything for your fans instead of yourself is dumb. Your fans dont help you train tito! They pay for tickets and PPV but thats cuz they like fights. I cant stand the way he says stuff like "youd be nothin without your fans". Yes you damn well would! Youd still be a bad ass cuz you train like a mofo! Fans support the sport financially, but you dont have to gush over them like they actually mean anything to you. You dont even know these ppl!
But this is what his type do. They try to create mini "brotherhoods". This is why they create gangs. This is why gangs split, then fight each other. over stupid crap. When you try to take ppl in, and make family out of them too fast, its so easy to get offended. Its kinda like being with a chick who after 2 weeks is making you meet her parents and all that crap...its weird! "brotherhoods" and loyalties take time. You cant just do that with everybody. And you can't feel "cheated on" if one of your "brothers"goes and does something that takes time with them away from you. GET OVER IT tito!
Mario Yamasakies half brazilain btw) once said to me and my partner..."The most important thing in martial arts... is loyalty"
we were both thinkin " No its not!WTF is up with this? the most important thing is winning!" and if that means not trainin at just ONE place...GUESS WHAT? Im gonna train wherever!
Peace.

[Schwarzenegger]

whoa, somebodys got issues hah

[QuieTSToRM33]

Nope, not really. I believe dana, because i know ppl like tito. They are weird ppl. They have this thing with loyalty that is good when its good, and bad when its bad. It stems from 2 things. A.) South american culture B.) broken home abandonment issues.
I have always noted that latinos and brazilans have this double edged swored with loyalty and comradery that is a phony bunch of crap they use to create a false sense of brotherhood. When the smallest thing comes between them(even if the issue could be reasonably handeled) they take it as an offence towards loyalty, AND WITHOUT DISCUSSION, they cut you off. This happens in their friendships, businesses, and GANGS especially. Case in point: I had a partner who trained in renzo gracies school in new york. Renzo, him and serra where real tight and this and that. Renzo KNEW he crosstrained at other places. So my training partner goes and trains his striking in new jersy and mentioned it in conversation to somebody one day. Renzo comes over to him, asked him about it, he explaines ,but he said after he said the intital "yes" ,renzo just kinda looked off to the side as if not paying attention. then without a word walks back into the office. Serra comes out and tells him to leave. He tries explainin to serra but he was so brainwashed by renzo with his dick in his mouth ,that he didnt listen to my friend. He tried calling renzo. Even wrote a letter. Nothin. No response. THATS THE WAY THEY ARE. Between mexicans, puerto ricans cubans, and brazilians there is this common sense of brotherhood that i observed. As easy as they take you in, they will just as easily cut you off. Its a load of crap, and i see it all the time. Hot and cold.
Tito, fits the bill completely for this. A) number one,Hes puerto rican. 2.)He trains MMA which includes BJJ and through BJJ circles pervades that whole sense of"loyalty, brotherhood, etc" And 3.)He also has a very strong and outspoken, and unnecessary sense of brother hood for the fans.
The whole fan thing is a great example. Fans are nice. Fans are great. But doing everything for your fans instead of yourself is dumb. Your fans dont help you train tito! They pay for tickets and PPV but thats cuz they like fights. I cant stand the way he says stuff like "youd be nothin without your fans". Yes you damn well would! Youd still be a bad ass cuz you train like a mofo! Fans support the sport financially, but you dont have to gush over them like they actually mean anything to you. You dont even know these ppl!
But this is what his type do. They try to create mini "brotherhoods". This is why they create gangs. This is why gangs split, then fight each other. over stupid crap. When you try to take ppl in, and make family out of them too fast, its so easy to get offended. Its kinda like being with a chick who after 2 weeks is making you meet her parents and all that crap...its weird! "brotherhoods" and loyalties take time. You cant just do that with everybody. And you can't feel "cheated on" if one of your "brothers"goes and does something that takes time with them away from you. GET OVER IT tito!
Mario Yamasakies half brazilain btw) once said to me and my partner..."The most important thing in martial arts... is loyalty"
we were both thinkin " No its not!WTF is up with this? the most important thing is winning!" and if that means not trainin at just ONE place...GUESS WHAT? Im gonna train wherever!
Peace.

1.Ethnicity has nothing do with this at all. You are attempting to generalize based on your "observations." This is a feud between two men, regardless of race,creed,ethnicity, etc... with the subject being money. Simple as that.

2.Tito is Mexican ... not Puerto Rican.

3. Dana White is full of shit. Plain and simple.

[swole25]

i was pretty pissed that i stayed up to watch it for nothing. i was like, there's only 5 minutes left, this must be a quick KO or something!

[$$TML 4 LIFE$$]

Tito backed out because he found out he wasnt gettin paid 4 this fight with Dana beand didnt want 2 take a chance of injurin himself because he had a upcoming fight with rashad evans. I remember readion this on mmaweekly and titos website quite a while ago.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

1.Ethnicity has nothing do with this at all. You are attempting to generalize based on your "observations." This is a feud between two men, regardless of race,creed,ethnicity, etc... with the subject being money. Simple as that.

2.Tito is Mexican ... not Puerto Rican.

3. Dana White is full of shit. Plain and simple.

im not generalizing. How many times have you seen tito cry about the fans and "oh no my fans" and "i do it for the fans cuz theyre the best fans in the world"
hes such a sensitive cry baby it makes me sick.
And even if im wrong about the whole latin american/loyalty connection thing

then i think the next answer is abandonment issues.

[1morerep]

i agree...dana is all ego now. he wants to be known everywhere he goes. looking to emulate vince mcmahon (maybe?)

[QuieTSToRM33]

im not generalizing. How many times have you seen tito cry about the fans and "oh no my fans" and "i do it for the fans cuz theyre the best fans in the world"
hes such a sensitive cry baby it makes me sick.
And even if im wrong about the whole latin american/loyalty connection thing

then i think the next answer is abandonment issues.

Of course you are generalizing ... you go off on some random tangent about Tito's loyalty issues and how that applies to latinos, south americans, brazilians, puerto ricans, cubans, and mexicans.

And abandonment issues .... where are you going with this ???

You're all over the place with your statements.

You responded to Armbar's post about the show by saying .... "I know people like Tito." ... You then continue to jump around with arguments like :

- "They are weird ppl. They have this thing with loyalty that is good when its good, and bad when its bad. It stems from 2 things. A.) South american culture B.) broken home abandonment issues."

-"I have always noted that latinos and brazilans have this double edged swored with loyalty and comradery that is a phony bunch of crap they use to create a false sense of brotherhood. When the smallest thing comes between them(even if the issue could be reasonably handeled) they take it as an offence towards loyalty, AND WITHOUT DISCUSSION, they cut you off. This happens in their friendships, businesses, and GANGS especially."

-"THATS THE WAY THEY ARE." (if that's not generalizing, then I don't know what is)

-"Fans support the sport financially, but you dont have to gush over them like they actually mean anything to you. You dont even know these ppl!"

-"They pay for tickets and PPV but thats cuz they like fights."

There wouldn't be a paycheck if no one showed up to the fights. So yes ... he should acknowledge his fans. If it wasn't for them, he wouldn't be Tito Ortiz.

[D-Bo Dre]

They are weird ppl. They have this thing with loyalty that is good when its good, and bad when its bad. It stems from 2 things. A.) South american culture B.) broken home abandonment issues.I have always noted that latinos and brazilans have this double edged swored with loyalty and comradery that is a phony bunch of crap they use to create a false sense of brotherhood.

So your basically saying b/c I come from the South american culture I am "weird ppl" and have "broken home abandonment issues" I would be careful AnabolicBoy b/c your rationalization of the latin culture could be interpreted as being quite racial.. your pointless off topic rant has nothing to do with the discussion so do us a favor and keep ur racial idealisms to yourself..

[QuieTSToRM33]

whoa, somebodys got issues hah

So your basically saying b/c I come from the South american culture I am "weird ppl" and have "broken home abandonment issues" I would be careful AnabolicBoy b/c your rationalization of the latin culture could be interpreted as being quite racial.. your pointless off topic rant has nothing to do with the discussion so do us a favor and keep ur racial idealisms to yourself..

I'm not the only one who's picked up on that.

[uberw00t]

this thread is a waste

[sonar1234]

maybe this is a promotion spectacle, similar to the antics of wwe. hah

That really sucks but you are not far from the thruth.

I really hope that UFC doesnt turn out to be like WWE.

[Tony Bologna]

I really hope that UFC doesnt turn out to be like WWE.

I hope it does as far as the entrances for the fighters, you know like big flames and fireworks shooting out and sh!t and a big stage to walk down from like in Pride, man that be cool instead of them just coming out of some hole in the wall. Thats all...

[scottish]

besides, if dana didnt buy the UFC and turn it into the beast it is today, THERE WOULD BE NO UFC! .

I was under the impression that the Fertitta brothers own UFC. Dana just knew them and was in the right place at the right time.

[$$TML 4 LIFE$$]

I was under the impression that the Fertitta brothers own UFC. Dana just knew them and was in the right place at the right time.

Fertitas own 45% each and dana owns 10%

[heavyhitter08]

That really sucks but you are not far from the thruth.

I really hope that UFC doesnt turn out to be like WWE.

it's starting to go that way... This is like the whole Vince Mcman of WWE when he fought Stone Cold of sometihng like that.

[armbar83]

Nope, not really. I believe dana, because i know ppl like tito. They are weird ppl. They have this thing with loyalty that is good when its good, and bad when its bad. It stems from 2 things. A.) South american culture B.) broken home abandonment issues.
I have always noted that latinos and brazilans have this double edged swored with loyalty and comradery that is a phony bunch of crap they use to create a false sense of brotherhood. When the smallest thing comes between them(even if the issue could be reasonably handeled) they take it as an offence towards loyalty, AND WITHOUT DISCUSSION, they cut you off. This happens in their friendships, businesses, and GANGS especially. Case in point: I had a partner who trained in renzo gracies school in new york. Renzo, him and serra where real tight and this and that. Renzo KNEW he crosstrained at other places. So my training partner goes and trains his striking in new jersy and mentioned it in conversation to somebody one day. Renzo comes over to him, asked him about it, he explaines ,but he said after he said the intital "yes" ,renzo just kinda looked off to the side as if not paying attention. then without a word walks back into the office. Serra comes out and tells him to leave. He tries explainin to serra but he was so brainwashed by renzo with his dick in his mouth ,that he didnt listen to my friend. He tried calling renzo. Even wrote a letter. Nothin. No response. THATS THE WAY THEY ARE. Between mexicans, puerto ricans cubans, and brazilians there is this common sense of brotherhood that i observed. As easy as they take you in, they will just as easily cut you off. Its a load of crap, and i see it all the time. Hot and cold.
Tito, fits the bill completely for this. A) number one,Hes puerto rican. 2.)He trains MMA which includes BJJ and through BJJ circles pervades that whole sense of"loyalty, brotherhood, etc" And 3.)He also has a very strong and outspoken, and unnecessary sense of brother hood for the fans.
The whole fan thing is a great example. Fans are nice. Fans are great. But doing everything for your fans instead of yourself is dumb. Your fans dont help you train tito! They pay for tickets and PPV but thats cuz they like fights. I cant stand the way he says stuff like "youd be nothin without your fans". Yes you damn well would! Youd still be a bad ass cuz you train like a mofo! Fans support the sport financially, but you dont have to gush over them like they actually mean anything to you. You dont even know these ppl!
But this is what his type do. They try to create mini "brotherhoods". This is why they create gangs. This is why gangs split, then fight each other. over stupid crap. When you try to take ppl in, and make family out of them too fast, its so easy to get offended. Its kinda like being with a chick who after 2 weeks is making you meet her parents and all that crap...its weird! "brotherhoods" and loyalties take time. You cant just do that with everybody. And you can't feel "cheated on" if one of your "brothers"goes and does something that takes time with them away from you. GET OVER IT tito!
Mario Yamasakies half brazilain btw) once said to me and my partner..."The most important thing in martial arts... is loyalty"
we were both thinkin " No its not!WTF is up with this? the most important thing is winning!" and if that means not trainin at just ONE place...GUESS WHAT? Im gonna train wherever!
Peace.

wow... seriously? you really think like this? i think your weird ppl

[armbar83]

this thread is a waste

why would you come in here and say that with 5 posts?

[zimmy]

Nope, not really. I believe dana, because i know ppl like tito. They are weird ppl. They have this thing with loyalty that is good when its good, and bad when its bad. It stems from 2 things. A.) South american culture B.) broken home abandonment issues.
I have always noted that latinos and brazilans have this double edged swored with loyalty and comradery that is a phony bunch of crap they use to create a false sense of brotherhood. When the smallest thing comes between them(even if the issue could be reasonably handeled) they take it as an offence towards loyalty, AND WITHOUT DISCUSSION, they cut you off. This happens in their friendships, businesses, and GANGS especially. Case in point: I had a partner who trained in renzo gracies school in new york. Renzo, him and serra where real tight and this and that. Renzo KNEW he crosstrained at other places. So my training partner goes and trains his striking in new jersy and mentioned it in conversation to somebody one day. Renzo comes over to him, asked him about it, he explaines ,but he said after he said the intital "yes" ,renzo just kinda looked off to the side as if not paying attention. then without a word walks back into the office. Serra comes out and tells him to leave. He tries explainin to serra but he was so brainwashed by renzo with his dick in his mouth ,that he didnt listen to my friend. He tried calling renzo. Even wrote a letter. Nothin. No response. THATS THE WAY THEY ARE. Between mexicans, puerto ricans cubans, and brazilians there is this common sense of brotherhood that i observed. As easy as they take you in, they will just as easily cut you off. Its a load of crap, and i see it all the time. Hot and cold.
Tito, fits the bill completely for this. A) number one,Hes puerto rican. 2.)He trains MMA which includes BJJ and through BJJ circles pervades that whole sense of"loyalty, brotherhood, etc" And 3.)He also has a very strong and outspoken, and unnecessary sense of brother hood for the fans.
The whole fan thing is a great example. Fans are nice. Fans are great. But doing everything for your fans instead of yourself is dumb. Your fans dont help you train tito! They pay for tickets and PPV but thats cuz they like fights. I cant stand the way he says stuff like "youd be nothin without your fans". Yes you damn well would! Youd still be a bad ass cuz you train like a mofo! Fans support the sport financially, but you dont have to gush over them like they actually mean anything to you. You dont even know these ppl!
But this is what his type do. They try to create mini "brotherhoods". This is why they create gangs. This is why gangs split, then fight each other. over stupid crap. When you try to take ppl in, and make family out of them too fast, its so easy to get offended. Its kinda like being with a chick who after 2 weeks is making you meet her parents and all that crap...its weird! "brotherhoods" and loyalties take time. You cant just do that with everybody. And you can't feel "cheated on" if one of your "brothers"goes and does something that takes time with them away from you. GET OVER IT tito!
Mario Yamasakies half brazilain btw) once said to me and my partner..."The most important thing in martial arts... is loyalty"
we were both thinkin " No its not!WTF is up with this? the most important thing is winning!" and if that means not trainin at just ONE place...GUESS WHAT? Im gonna train wherever!
Peace.

wow

1) that is some hella bad hatred you have for hispanics...please don't spout racist generalizations about anyone...not all hispanics are gang members or have gang mentality. And it's not "hot or cold". If you some one shit's on you...why waste your time talking to them? Life's to short to waste your time on those people.

2) if the guy is training some where else w/o even letting his instructor know about it ...that's a slap in the face. BJJ is about MUTUAL RESPECT AND CURTIOUSY. Without it, you won't get anywhere in the sport, plain and simple.

[Saunacrank]

I wanna see them fight!