Calzaghe: " Kessler is Just Another Lacy!"

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The WBO super-middleweight champion was guest of honour at a press lunch thrown by promoter allegedly Frank Warren today in London, and in combative mood following his win over Peter Manfredo Jr earlier this month.

"I want to fight the biggest fighters out there," said Calzaghe, whose left wrist is still in plaster following the Manfredo fight, but expects to be out either in July, or more likely, September.

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The WBO super-middleweight champion was guest of honour at a press lunch thrown by promoter allegedly Frank Warren today in London, and in combative mood following his win over Peter Manfredo Jr earlier this month.

"I want to fight the biggest fighters out there," said Calzaghe, whose left wrist is still in plaster following the Manfredo fight, but expects to be out either in July, or more likely, September.

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Bring on Taylor ... the only realistic fight out there for him.

[BgMc31]

Bring on Taylor ... the only realistic fight out there for him.

I disagree. Calzaghne isn't on Taylor's level. He's a product of English hype. The only person he's fought with a bit of credibility is Lacy. Plus he only fights in his own backyard. Kessler would whoop his ass, IMO. Kessler is more of a complete boxer than Calzaghne, IMO.

Calzaghne v. Taylor, a monumental mismatch!!!

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I disagree. Calzaghne isn't on Taylor's level. He's a product of English hype. The only person he's fought with a bit of credibility is Lacy. Plus he only fights in his own backyard. Kessler would whoop his ass, IMO. Kessler is more of a complete boxer than Calzaghne, IMO.

Calzaghne v. Taylor, a monumental mismatch!!!

hardly a product of english hype, he's welsh for a start...

and he's beaten some pretty good fighters IMO

[BgMc31]

hardly a product of english hype, he's welsh for a start...

and he's beaten some pretty good fighters IMO

Who did he beat?

And I never said he was English. I said he was product of English hype. By that I mean, the English have hyped him to the point where he is now. I guess I should have said UK hype. If I offended any Welshmen I apologize!

[Vader79]

[QUOTE=BgMc31]Who did he beat?

43 men in a row.

But, if we just count those who had held/were holding World Tiles we've got Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Charles Brewer, Richie Woodall, Byron Mitchell, Jeff Lacy... I'm sure there's more. Also not forgetting his destruction of Omar Sheika (who was clearly the product of US hype).

Basically, those may not be legendary names, but they were the best in the division over he last decade. You can only beat the man infront of you and Joe has done that every time. It's not his fault there weren't fights to excite american fans a super-middle. But he has whooped the asses of every american fighter that crossed the pond.

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[QUOTE=Vader79]

Who did he beat?

43 men in a row.

But, if we just count those who had held/were holding World Tiles we've got Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Charles Brewer, Richie Woodall, Byron Mitchell, Jeff Lacy... I'm sure there's more. Also not forgetting his destruction of Omar Sheika (who was clearly the product of US hype).

Basically, those may not be legendary names, but they were the best in the division over he last decade. You can only beat the man infront of you and Joe has done that every time. It's not his fault there weren't fights to excite american fans a super-middle. But he has whooped the asses of every american fighter that crossed the pond.

Agreed

[ectomorph28]

Calzaghe hasnt fought any A level fighters. He beat an extremely overrated fighter in Jeff Lacy and that is considered his career defining moment.

Calzaghe is a great boxer with fantastic hand speed but the problem is he has no power and hasnt been challenged. I would like to see him fight either Winky, Taylor, Jones or Hopkins in America. Lets get him away from his backyard.

However, Calzaghe has it made in Wales right now. He gets 35,000 people watch him fight and he makes alot of money.

As far as Kessler, Kessler is a great fighter and if they were to fight I think it would be a good fight. I might go with Kessler in a split decision.

[Vader79]

[QUOTE=ectomorph28]Calzaghe hasnt fought any A level fighters. He beat an extremely overrated fighter in Jeff Lacy and that is considered his career defining moment.
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If you think he hasn't fought any A level fighters, then at who at super-middle do you consider to have been A class from '97 to date? He's fought pretty much everyone at the weight.

Saying he hasn't got power just makes you sound daft, he's got 32 KO's. He floored Eubank who I don't think had ever been legitimately floored. People say he cuffs, but he cuffs fvckin hard! He has one of the longest unbeaten records of all time. I don't like the guy, but he's an incredible boxer, I don't know what more he could have done in the last 10 years.

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Same old Same old.

Fact hes by far the best super middle wieght in the last 10 -15 years ...Just because he wasnt born in the usa that doesnt mean he cant make american fighters look amatuer hense Lacey and shieka who usa reported to be the best thing boxers to ever come out of the usa and both had there asses handed to them.

What does it take to satisfy an american...apart from a mcdonalds.

Face it there are other countrys that bring talent into sports as well as america so dont be so ignorant and read before you mouth crap.

[Mogamedogz]

Cal-sucky is a bum. The second he steps in the ring with an elite fighter, he is going to get destroyed. I hope he fights Hopkins, and Hopkins smushes some Turkish Delight in his face, much like the way he threw rice and beans at Tito before adding insult to injury by brutally K.O'ing him.

The dude is petrified of Kessler... he doesnt even have to leave the UK to get his ass whooped.

He is the most over-rated fighter since Ricky Hatton.

[BgMc31]

Cal-sucky is a bum. The second he steps in the ring with an elite fighter, he is going to get destroyed. I hope he fights Hopkins, and Hopkins smushes some Turkish Delight

The dude is petrified of Kessler... he doesnt even have to leave the UK to get his ass whooped.

he is the most over-rated fighter since Ricky Hatton.

100% agreed!!

[BgMc31]

Same old Same old.

Fact hes by far the best super middle wieght in the last 10 -15 years ...Just because he wasnt born in the usa that doesnt mean he cant make american fighters look amatuer hense Lacey and shieka who usa reported to be the best thing boxers to ever come out of the usa and both had there asses handed to them.

What does it take to satisfy an american...apart from a mcdonalds.

Face it there are other countrys that bring talent into sports as well as america so dont be so ignorant and read before you mouth crap.

Easy, you are from Wales so of course you are going to support the hometown heroe. Shieka and Lacey were both B level fighters and everyone in the fight games knows, you can't make a serious name in boxing unless you fight here in the states. This isn't soccer, mate!!! He has a padded record plain and simple... and yes I'm mouthing crap!!!

[Mogamedogz]

BTW: if Hatton ever gets the sack to fight Mayweather (doubt it), Floyd would beat the eye-balls out of his head. Actually, I wouldnt even want to see that fight, because I would fear for Hattons health. All kidding aside.

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[QUOTE=Vader79]

Calzaghe hasnt fought any A level fighters. He beat an extremely overrated fighter in Jeff Lacy and that is considered his career defining moment.
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If you think he hasn't fought any A level fighters, then at who at super-middle do you consider to have been A class from '97 to date? He's fought pretty much everyone at the weight.

Saying he hasn't got power just makes you sound daft, he's got 32 KO's. He floored Eubank who I don't think had ever been legitimately floored. People say he cuffs, but he cuffs fvckin hard! He has one of the longest unbeaten records of all time. I don't like the guy, but he's an incredible boxer, I don't know what more he could have done in the last 10 years.

As fast as Calzaghes hands are he doesnt have great power. Hes a slapper albeit a very good slapper at that. Ask Manfredo, ask Lacy and ask any boxing journalist, analyst etc and they will tell you Calzaghe doesnt have much power. Am I saying hes feather fisted? Absolutely not. And on boxing skill alone he can beat any fighter in the world. Although I like Kessler and think he can win, Calzaghe can easily beat him. Calzaghe wont mind outboxing his opponent for 12 rounds to beat you and thats what hes going to have to do against either jones, taylor, hopkins, winky and kessler. I dont think he can knock them out. And these guys are no Manfredo. So expect it to go the distance.

And for the record. I think Calzaghe will beat all the American fighters with the exception of maybe Winky Wright. But ill reserve judgment until I see the Hopkins/Wright fight.

[Vader79]

Cal-sucky is a bum. The second he steps in the ring with an elite fighter, he is going to get destroyed. I hope he fights Hopkins, and Hopkins smushes some Turkish Delight in his face, much like the way he threw rice and beans at Tito before adding insult to injury by brutally K.O'ing him.

The dude is petrified of Kessler... he doesnt even have to leave the UK to get his ass whooped.

He is the most over-rated fighter since Ricky Hatton.

Have you ever fought? If you have I can only assume you took a hell of an ass beating that broke your brain.

How is it that 2 undefeated, multiple world-champion, fighters with high knockout %'s, who have beaten all commers at their weights are overrated bums?

Could it be that it's because they're Brits and your a frustrated Yank, spitting his dummy because none of your 'Boyz' can make ours break sweat?

Tool.

Go have antother dog fight.

[BgMc31]

Have you ever fought? If you have I can only assume you took a hell of an ass beating that broke your brain.

How is it that 2 undefeated, multiple world-champion, fighters with high knockout %'s, who have beaten all commers at their weights are overrated bums?

Could it be that it's because they're Brits and your a frustrated Yank, spitting his dummy because none of your 'Boyz' can make ours break sweat?

Tool.

Go have antother dog fight.

Now that is a completely assinine post!!! I know you aren't suggesting that the Brits put out better boxers than we do. Let's face it, if he refuses to fight here in the states... HE AIN'T SHIT!!!!! Foreign fighters are notorious for not living up to the hype once they come to the states. Calzaghne has flat out refused to come over and fight the superior fighters in and around his weight class.

[Vader79]

why should the champion go to the challenger? why do you care if him comes to vist you or not?

Go watch some kimo fights

[Mogamedogz]

Have you ever fought? If you have I can only assume you took a hell of an ass beating that broke your brain.

How is it that 2 undefeated, multiple world-champion, fighters with high knockout %'s, who have beaten all commers at their weights are overrated bums?

Could it be that it's because they're Brits and your a frustrated Yank, spitting his dummy because none of your 'Boyz' can make ours break sweat?

Tool.

Go have antother dog fight.

I may have taken a few lumps in my day... and maybe I do have a few screws loose... but id bet everything I own that Hatton would be AHNILATED by PBF.

Cal-Sucky hasn't fought ANYONE... And he wont. he will continue to hide over there, just the way that light HW that RJJ was "supposedly" afraid of in '90's. Once he fights a legitimate opponent (regardless of where they are from) he will be exposed for the slapping bum that he really is.

Garbage.


BTW- Dog Fights?? Sorry dude... wrong guy.

[BgMc31]

I may have taken a few lumps in my day... and maybe I do have a few screws loose... but id bet everything I own that Hatton would be AHNILATED by PBF.

Cal-Sucky hasn't fought ANYONE... And he wont. he will continue to hide over there, just the way that's light HW that RJJ was "supposedly" afraid of in '90's. Once he fights a legitimate opponent (regardless of where they are from) he will be exposed for the slapping bum that he really is.

Garbage.


BTW- Dog Fights?? Sorry dude... wrong guy.

Darius Mickacewski (sp?) is who you are referring to. And he refused to come to fight RJJ. He was a champion but a lot of his fights were close and was the benefit of hometown judging very often. You are 100% right.

[BgMc31]

why should the champion go to the challenger? why do you care if him comes to vist you or not?

Go watch some kimo fights

Are we talking about true champs or champs that have been protected by the alphabet orgs and the UK? The true champ IS Jermaine Taylor. Before him it was Hopkins and before that RJJ. All have issued challenges to Calzeghne and he turned them all down because he didn't want to fight here. Let's face it the mecca of boxing is Madison Square Garden and Las Vegas, Nevada. Both in the United States, not Manchester Arena or anywhere in the UK!!!

Even your boy Ricky Hatton realizes no one will ever taken him seriously if he doesn't fight here. And when he did, he showed all his flaws. Slap happy Calzaghne will do the same.

Oh BTW, I'm a much bigger fan of boxing than MMA, so keep the Kimo comments to yourself. Your attempts at insults make you look petty and childish. And yes I've boxed in the past and compiled a amatuer record of over 100 fights as a heavyweight and light heavyweight as a teenager. Football paid my way through college so I took that avenue instead of boxing. Now what's your excuse?

[Mogamedogz]

Darius Mickacewski (sp?) is who you are referring to. And he refused to come to fight RJJ. He was a champion but a lot of his fights were close and was the benefit of hometown judging very often. You are 100% right.

That's the Bum... Mickacewski! Once he fought a legit fight he was promptly exposed (one of the Diaz brothers who RJJ completely dominated).

You are dead on...

Legit MW champion of the world is JT. Cal-sucky holds claim to nothing except a padded record.

[Vader79]

"Are we talking about true champs or champs that have been protected by the alphabet orgs and the UK? The true champ IS Jermaine Taylor. Before him it was Hopkins and before that RJJ."



Roy was at light-heavy, hopkins was at middle, Jermaine Taylor... there's still time. Again Calzaghe has beat many if not all of the Super-Middle champs: WBA, IBF, WBC, WBO (and if you gave a feck WBF) , as I listed earlier in the post. But if that doesn't raise his caliber above the level of "Bum" in your eyes, I'm sure nothing I write is going to alter your incisive critical analysis of a 43-0 (32KO) record.



"All have issued challenges to Calzeghne and he turned them all down because he didn't want to fight here. Let's face it the mecca of boxing is Madison Square Garden and Las Vegas, Nevada. Both in the United States, not Manchester Arena or anywhere in the UK!!!"



You like your venues, I like ours.



"Even your boy Ricky Hatton realizes no one will ever taken him seriously if he doesn't fight here. And when he did, he showed all his flaws. Slap happy Calzaghne will do the same.

Oh BTW, I'm a much bigger fan of boxing than MMA, so keep the Kimo comments to yourself. Your attempts at insults make you look petty and childish. "



What are you talking about? I'm a much bigger fan of MMA than boxing... So? Kimo doesn't Mix any Martial Arts, he's a crap boxer. All he has is a half ass bob/weave and he's a monster. I thought I'd read a thread with you admiring his skills, If i'm wrong on that, sorry dude. But it seemed farcical that you had positives to say about him, and little but stick for calzaghe.


"And yes I've boxed in the past and compiled a amatuer record of over 100 fights as a heavyweight and light heavyweight as a teenager. Football paid my way through college so I took that avenue instead of boxing."

Wow, you must be like really tough and manly, can I carry your gym bag?


"Now what's your excuse?"

Excuse for what? questioning why you're bashing 2 quality fighters?

[BgMc31]

Excuse for what? questioning whay you're bashing 2 quality fighters?

Excuse for what? Well you are defending a guy with a clearly padded record. There is a huge difference between a quality fighter and an A list fighter. Manfredo is a quality fighter, Lacy is a quality fighter. Hopkins and Taylor are A list fighters. Calzagne is a good fighter, nobody is denying that, but he isn't on the level as the creme of the crop here in the states. And he knows it because he won't travel here to fight these guys. I don't blame him really. He's a millionaire (I don't know what you all call it over there) and he's protected by fighting in that country. But if he wants to be considered with that all time greats, he needs, no he has to, come here and fight the Elite fighters like Taylor. He may be the champ (over there) but odds makers (here in Vegas, LOL) would have him as an underdog against anyone except maybe Kessler. He may even be an underdog against an old, washed up, RJJ (one of the greatest fighters of all time and one of my favorites).

[Vader79]

So basicly you're saying that because he hasn't fought men in the divisions above and below his, (2 of the only 3 fighters of the last decade at that weight that you're willing to consider A list) that I have to accept that he's not an elite fighter? That's a pretty unreasonably strict criteria to apply.

He's not creme de la creme because you say so?

Taylor can still happen. But until anyone gets close to dethroning him, you'll just have to live with the unpalatable reality that he has beaten the only american super middle chaps of his era Mitchel(WBA), Brewer(WBC), and Lacy (IBF). And he's smashed your brightest prospects Sheika and Manfedo (yes I read your post fancying Manfedo before the fight)

Go on, give him some credit, you know you want to

[Vader79]

Oh and BTW we call one million dollars "Half a million pounds"

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Jermain taylor wants 10 million to fight Joe wich is 5 million pounds and Joe will get 1.5 hmmmm .. I respect taylor because he hasnt lost and fought hopkins twice who in my eyes is 1 of the greats.

But how can taylors promoter justify The money part of things.. there clearly pricing out of the fight it seems at the moment but i can only see what the press says over here.

It might be all bull crap.

RRJ wants a stupid amount of money wich hasnt even been mentioned because warren didnt take it serious.

Do the sums guys it not about whos your fav boxer its who deserves to fight who.

Don king actualy said some sense the other day by combining the titles back to 1 major title.

So what would happen it the champion would have a choice of the top 10 who he would fight...then he would have to fight the mandatory challenger no1 no2 ***ending on fixtures and obviously what lies ahead.

But there needs to be one world champion at each wieght.

You can say a boxer is pound for pound best ever boxer ... when alot of us hasnt seen alot of fights back then that went 15 rounds and i mean 15 rounds pure pounding til the end.

[BgMc31]

So basicly you're saying that because he hasn't fought men in the divisions above and below his, (2 of the only 3 fighters of the last decade at that weight that you're willing to consider A list) that I have to accept that he's not an elite fighter? That's a pretty unreasonably strict criteria to apply.

He's not creme de la creme because you say so?

Taylor can still happen. But until anyone gets close to dethroning him, you'll just have to live with the unpalatable reality that he has beaten the only american super middle chaps of his era Mitchel(WBA), Brewer(WBC), and Lacy (IBF). And he's smashed your brightest prospects Sheika and Manfedo (yes I read your post fancying Manfedo before the fight)
Go on, give him some credit, you know you want to

You got me confused with someone else. I never thought Manfredo was a great fighter. He's a good money opponent. Look how he was dismantled on the Contendar and several fights afterwards. He's very marketable, like Calzaghne because of his looks. But he is more of an action fighter like Gatti who can sell tickets, but Calzaghne was never in any real danger fighting Manfredo. Sheika is also a talent, but again, another action fighter.

Look like I said before, Calzaghne is a very good fighter, but he isn't an elite fighter. I won't give him any real credit until he fights over here against an elite fighter. Even if he loses, at least he shows some stones to fight the best.