ESPN.com 50 greatest boxers = BS!!

[yungfaceb3]

I am seriously growing sick and tired of these supposed "boxing experts" and historians..i mean wtf are they seeing? I honestly believe that that do not watch the same fights other ppl watch or something because DAMN they are so far off sometimes it is ridiculous. Okay the BEST ever is Sugar Ray Robinson which is what many people think and second is Ali. This is kind of generally accepted. Sugar Ray Leonard is 12th and Roberto Duran is 6th??? The next dozen or so are OLD school fighters. Julio Cesar Chavez is 24th...oscar De La Hoya 39th...Holyfield 40th....Roy Jones Jr is 46th? Hopkins 47th? and Floyd Mayweather Jr. 48? and the most retarded of all is that the LAST one at number 50 is Mike Tyson..WTF??? I do not know what these guys are goign by but it isnt reality. Shouldn't they go by the "if this guy were in his prime and foguht this other guy in his prime..who would win" type deal? I mean weight class dependent of course. Because..Tyson, Roy Jones, Mayweather Jr, and even De La Hoya would MOP the floors with those old school fighters. This is bullshyt!

[MuscleScience]

What About Marciono, or how ever you spell his name. LOL

[peace_frog]

I totally disagree about how the guys today would woop the guys you probably never have seen fight. Believe me, there is a reason Duran is 6th. I also think Roy Jones is probably rightly placed. He didnt fight a lot of great opponents...there were a ton of hand picked guys that fought him.

Tyson was a great draw, and had a dynamic punch, but once he got some bigger guys to fight(that actually could fight) they figured out a way to just smother him , take away his only punch and take him into rounds. Tyson was never prepared to go rounds...he didnt have to. So when that happened, he didnt last long. He never had a jab, or many set up punches. He had one fast punch that would knock your head off. When he was fighting, there is no doubt he was the best boxer to tune into because you almost could figure guarenteed KO. The Buster Douglas fight is still probably one of the best fights Ive ever seen. I really think there wasnt a fighter he could have faced that night that could have beat him. Douglas was near perfection that night.

Figuring into things are quality of opp. Longevity, style, title def. .
Old school fighters also had to go 15 rounds. Im not saying I agree with that list completely, but Im not going to overrate guys just because they are my generation of fighters. Ive watched a lot of old school clips of some of the guys mentioned there, and I stand by why some are higher than others.

[Renesis]

Ugh you best not be doubting julio caesar chavez ...

[therecanonlybe1]

what about marvelous marvin and the hitman...legends...

[yungfaceb3]

Marciano was not even on the list..and hagler was pretty low too. As far as "people I have never seen." "supposedly" Imma have to disagree...i am just as big a fan of old school as contemporary and have seen close to an equivalent of each in the ring. It is just simple fact that if Marciano..the best of his time were to fight anybody in the top 5 of the heavyweight division today...he would get KO'd easy...and the HW division is at all time suck rate right now. And no Tyson in his prime had madd punch combinations, the endurance to go rounds, and never got smothered by nobody until well past his better years. His lifestyle and career choices are what brouht him down. A year or two after he became champ the first time verybody said he was the best ever and even Ali said "he was the future o the sport." "and the greatest of his time" ali hailed him the "True champ." its easy for all these boxing analysts and experts to discredit him because he is a scumbag and because they fear him....its hard to be fair or give due credit to those that scare you....its human nature to discrdit or bring down such ppl to make themsleves feel bigger when if in a face to face situation they would only promote positive aspects of his career. Out of the top 50 lists..of all heavyweights...of all time ..in my opinion Ali and Tyson are the top 2...ever..meaning in their best days they could beat the shyt out of ANY of the others of any generation at thier best..nuff said.

[rockinred]

Marciano was not even on the list..and hagler was pretty low too. As far as "people I have never seen." "supposedly" Imma have to disagree...i am just as big a fan of old school as contemporary and have seen close to an equivalent of each in the ring. It is just simple fact that if Marciano..the best of his time were to fight anybody in the top 5 of the heavyweight division today...he would get KO'd easy...and the HW division is at all time suck rate right now. And no Tyson in his prime had madd punch combinations, the endurance to go rounds, and never got smothered by nobody until well past his better years. His lifestyle and career choices are what brouht him down. A year or two after he became champ the first time verybody said he was the best ever and even Ali said "he was the future o the sport." "and the greatest of his time" ali hailed him the "True champ." its easy for all these boxing analysts and experts to discredit him because he is a scumbag and because they fear him....its hard to be fair or give due credit to those that scare you....its human nature to discrdit or bring down such ppl to make themsleves feel bigger when if in a face to face situation they would only promote positive aspects of his career. Out of the top 50 lists..of all heavyweights...of all time ..in my opinion Ali and Tyson are the top 2...ever..meaning in their best days they could beat the shyt out of ANY of the others of any generation at thier best..nuff said.

no disrespect to peace frog, but i am with you on the majority of this. I followed tyson since he fought in the olympics and anyone who says he had no boxing skills or a one hit wonder only followed him later and through the eyes of the media..or they disliked him for whatever reason.

The bottom line with a lot of these fighters is there records speak for themselves... Ceaser Chavez had a ton of fights and fought everyone in his path... Duran was bad too, but I am not sure I would rank him quite that high.. a person can go on forever with their opinions.

I think that some on this list are good and some are way off...but hey it is still just another opinion...just like this list. besides who officially makes anyone an expert...

[Hiphopharry]

Come on now, Harry Greb would have wiped the floor with Archie Moore
Louis would have broke Ali's jaw (who had it broken by Frazier, and got gifts of Norton-twice as well as 1 over Frazier)
Tyson- are you kidding me, he gets beat by Louis, Ali, a young Foreman, Marciano and Ezzard Charles
Sugar Ray Robinson beats PBF by mid rounds ko
Willie Pep beats Judah, Tsyzu, Fenech, Nelson, and even PBF, ditto for Sandy Saddler.
The physically tougher more experienced and hungrier fighters were mostly old school guys. Exceptions are Duran, Hagler, Chavez, McClellan, IMO
you fight a little differently if you are fighting to eat...

[therecanonlybe1]

hey...what place what butterbean on the list..

[rockinred]

hey...what place what butterbean on the list..

Now that is funny

[sooners04]

Come on now, Harry Greb would have wiped the floor with Archie Moore
Louis would have broke Ali's jaw (who had it broken by Frazier, and got gifts of Norton-twice as well as 1 over Frazier)
Tyson- are you kidding me, he gets beat by Louis, Ali, a young Foreman, Marciano and Ezzard Charles
Sugar Ray Robinson beats PBF by mid rounds ko
Willie Pep beats Judah, Tsyzu, Fenech, Nelson, and even PBF, ditto for Sandy Saddler.
The physically tougher more experienced and hungrier fighters were mostly old school guys. Exceptions are Duran, Hagler, Chavez, McClellan, IMO
you fight a little differently if you are fighting to eat...

I agree with the Tyson references. Ali in his prime is the toughest to beat on the list. Foreman in his prime would beat pretty much anyone, of course except Ali and who knows what would happen if they fought a second time. I wouldn't say Ali got gifts over Frazier considering Frazier couldn't remember his own name after two of their fights, one of which he won. Marciano beat Louis remember.

[yungfaceb3]

Ali got no gifts no "gifts" over frasier..he won fair and square in his triumphs over him. Ali vs Nortion were close battles that Ali may have won because of his popularity but norton never crushed ali. And Louis and Marciano defeating Tyson?....are you retarded? Marciano would be KO'd b4 the ned of the opening round and Louis would be lucky to do much better. Marciano and Lousin were both great but I mean damn..that was a long time ago...they were alot smaller back then as HW's too...watch the speed...power...moves of them old school guys vs the same of a [prime tyson...tyson would murder them..lol..and I actually like louis and Marciano I am just being realistic here. The Fact of the matter here..not only would it not be a good fight..it would be a total mismatch. Charles ...ahh...probably not even close...a young foreman...would be a good fight for tyson but tyson would win due to the fact that where foreman has power..tyson has more power..tyson is alo a hell of a lot faster and has better defense. Robinson beating PBF by mid round ko....ahhh....probbaly not really realistic. PBF is TOO (boringly) evasive and Robinson never matched up against such a modern day tuned athlete...it would go to decission.

[Hiphopharry]

I respectfully disagree. Even if you take a prime Tyson, I still think back then IF he faced any adversity in the ring- he would have fallen apart. Louis had a great jab, and was commonly called "an economy of movement that brought about an efficency of results". Marciano had been hit, and knocked down by Walcott, as well as Archie Moore, he came back to win. Marciano was a very small heavy, however I still think Tyson, who may have been a little taller (but still the same height- just 20 pounds or more heavier) would stylistically had trouble. Tyson was best fighting taller men (Bruno, both fights, Ruddock, Spinks, holmes) in his prime (Lennox killed him, as did McBride) and that peek-a-bo style was designed for that. Marciano would have taught Tyson a lesson, as well as got into his head. Let me ask you this, did you ever see that picture of Rocky with half his nose hanging off his face at the end of one of his fights? Would Tyson have kept going with that kind of adversity? Marciano also had freakish power as well.
Louis got beat by Marciano when Louis was washed up, I think if both met in thier respective primes, Louis boxes to a decision.
As far as Sugar Ray Robinson not winning against PBF? I also have to very respectfully disagree. Ray's best work was at 147, and there he stood a full 5'11'' tall. He fought punchers, boxers, and even very elusive fighters that wanted to stick the joint out on his way up. I think Ray would have caught up to PBF, and bam, one shot during an exchange, and its over, like Carmen Basillio or Gene Fullmer.PBF is not big enough, powerful enough or rangy enough to keep Ray off of him.
As for Ali, yes- the second fight was a gift, Frazier could not complete the third fight, and won the first, However, I agree Ali vs norton were close, but it just depends if you feel the champ must be "dethroned" in a clear fashion, or if you are scoring a title fight just like any other fight.

[yungfaceb3]

I understand how you may disagree and everybody is entitled to there own opinion. But it is just not rational to think that either Louis or Marciano (both world class champs of thiere era) could stand up to a contemporary prizefightrer such as Tyson. Tyson had the advantages of power, speed, and defense. Yes Marciano and Loius were both tough as hell, but physically your body can only take so much before it is knocked out regardless how tough you are. Tyson would KO them both within 2 rounds. They could not defensivley evade him for long...and they would both try to exchange with him and would both be eliminated. And with taller fighter...? ACTUALLY Tyson always had TROUBLE with taller fighters. Look at his first fights to ever go the distance James Tillis and Mitch Green...both also the first (especially Green) really tall fighters he ever faced. Because obviously he had to punch upward and it took something off of his timing and power. And Lennox and McBride..both tall fighters....in his prime Tyson would have KO'd McBride and probably Lennox in later rounds...but it just goes to show you...taller fighters ae actually TROUBLESOME for him (but you sounded like you were pretty knowledgeable syaing facts supporting the opposite ) As for Robinson defeateing PBF..i never said he wouldnt I just said it would go the distance because PBF is too evasive..and no Robinsonw ould not have caught him enough to KO him..it would probbaly actually be an extrmemely boring fight. BUt lets be relaistic...I'm not taking away fromany of these old atheltes...its just like any and EVERY other sport. Over the years the increased knowledge and ideas in training...nutrition..supplementation..eqipment..e tc. adds up and creates better and better atheltes year after year. This is the reason why in almost every single olympic's, records are broken in track and feild events..records set during the previous olympics. The same goes for bodybuilding...look at how much more developed and massive the competitors are today than they were only 25-30 years ago. This goes for all sports like I said. You take a superbowl winning team of a contemporary football team and let them play a superbowl football team of 25-30 years ago...the new one will dominate...same with baseball...basketball....hockey. A gold medalist sprinter today would CRUSH a gold medlaist sprinter of 20 years ago. Now lets back to topic ...a boxing champion from the 50s...vs a boxing champion of the 80-90s..it is a mismatch. Marciano could not only not stand up to Tyson but nbot even to any top 5 HW contenders TODAY and HW division sucks right now. That is how much the sport has changed. and to think other wise you must be an idiot..its common sense damn. So if you don't know what the F*ck your talking about...please don't bust out BS facts and nonsense to pretend like you do.

[Hiphopharry]

Hey bro, no need to be hostile! I agree with you, the athletes of today do enjoy a great advantage of developments in nutrition, exersize,training, not to mention, at some levels (mostly the elite levels) drugs. Hey, its all good.

Tyson faring worse against taller guys? to date, all of his opponents have been taller then him. Sure Lennox is a giant as is the 'talented' McBride, as well as holyfield, Douglas, and Williams. All of whom beat him. But, you have to remember Mike also EASILY koe'd Trevor Berbick, Tyrell Biggs, Larry holmes, Michael Spinks, Frank Bruno, Alex Stewart, Andrew Golota, all big tall fighters. That holds no water, Mike always fights taller guys!

Tyson's best weight, when he was at his best (vs Spinks) was 218 1/2 pounds. Not a huge heavyweight, and not a stretch for the 200 or so pound Joe Louis who beat Max Bear who had 12 pounds on him, as well as a person I compare with McBride, Primo Carnera, who had 64 1/2 pound on Joe, before Joe koed him. I don't see a weight advantage for Tyson against Joe, maybe against Rocky Marciano, who did have Tysonesque power, (49-0 with 43 knockouts one over an (albeit) old Joe Louis who outweighed the Rock by 29 1/2 pounds)

Rocky koed Joe Louis, who outweighed Rocky by almost 30 lbs. Joe Louis who had 72 pro fights, losing 3 times, only being koed twice in his career.

Sugar Ray Robinson, all 5' 11'' of him koes PBF, just in the same way he ko'ed Bobo Olson, Gene Fullmer, Rocky Graziano, and the last of the Iron Chins, Jake LaMotta. Too big, too strong, doesn't just know the boxing book, he wrote it. Sorry. I don't care how fast you think PBF is, and how "skilled" he is defensively. Sugar Ray Robinson, with 173 wins, 108 knockouts knocks him out, period. Sugar Ray fought tougher opposition, longer, and went from lightweight all the way to fighting for the light heavy weight title. Until PBF beats a middleweight title holder, and goes up against hopkins at 175, there is no comparison. Still doubt Ray's power? Go ask poor Jimmy Doyle, whom died as a result of injuries sustained in a loss to Ray.
Dude, I tried to be respectful, I really did, then you got to go call names, that's okay, It's all good, I won't call names or disrespect you, we all have our opinions, but mine is backed up by facts. Until you bring facts to the table, OWNED!

[Hiphopharry]

ps- Tyson will be remembered for what he was- a potentialy great fighter who squandered his talent.
A guy who, when the tough got going, punked out- biting Evander's ears, trying to dq'ed against Botha, Williams, Golota, and McBride when he was faced with adversity.
Don't be fooled by Tyson nuthuggers who have little grasp of what a real tough guy is.
Don't be fooled by the quick ko's over petrified competition, the bs 'gangster talk' and the muscle.
Mike gets owned by anyone willing to stand up to him that has marginal talent- we've seen it when he was on his way to being owned by Frans Botha, when his power bailed him out of trouble. Frans Botha! the man was being slapped around by Frans ****ing Botha, who was toying with him!
-nuff said
guys like you also picked Lacy to ko calzaghe based on physical appearences

[yungfaceb3]

Before you go and start thinking "you told somebody" you must understand that for something to be a fact....it must be TRUE. Let's just sum this up real quick like:

1) Tyson did have trouble with taller opponents....just because he didn't lose to them all shows his talent as a fighter and doesn't prove anything about him being better against them.

(respected trainer Freddie Roach remarked, when asked if McBride has a chance, "Yeah, he does. If he shows a little bit of stones and gets by the first one or two rounds, he could win it. Tyson has always had trouble with tall guys.") http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=3770&more=1

2) Gloves back in the day of Marciano/ Loius and such were only 6oz at the MAX for the HW division. Now they are a standard 10oz and possibly about to become 12oz. On few rare occasions back int he 80s/ early 90s there were HW fights fought w/ 8oz gloves but they were few and far between and pretty much a no show today. Thus with gloves having almost half of the paddig and weight...it is easy to see how the power/speed/damage of punches back then could be obviously apparent everytime someone took a good hit. This is can also partially explain the misjudgment of the true apparent power that led you to make the rediculous claim that either louis or marciano are on the same CHAPTER of knock out power as a prime Mike Tyson. Marciano was good in his time..the best...but a smaller/slower/less powerful and less atheltic boxer than mike tyson. same goes for Louis.

3) Damn man..you don't even the correct records of the guys you are talking about But since I am a nice guy I will tell you. Suhar Ray Robinson's REAL record was 175 wins with 110 KO's and 19 losses and 6 draws. Robinson is known as the fighter with no real weaknesses in the ring. He would outbox the boxers...and out punch the punchers..he a chmapion of many weight classes and damn good fighter many believe to be the best of all time. PBF claims to the best as well...but I do not agree with this nore do I like PBF at all. But in surmising that Robinson would KO him...you must understand that Robinsons time used much smaller gloves....possibly lower than 4oz in size and fought ina different ring size and under different rules. PBF at the same time has fought his career under different rules so under which set of rules would the two fight? If the rules were under the era of PBF..i say it goes to decision...who knows who wins ...hopefully robinson (but knowing how the sport is nowadays you never know w/ these judges)...back in robinsons day...PBf would probably get Mashed..but you never know..PBF is a better athlete in better physcial shape the robinson..but i think back then he would still get crushed.

4) Rays power killed someone? No shit. It has happened many times in the past..probbaly due to the way the old school day rules allowed the fight to continue A LOT longer than they do nowadays and teh fact that their glove sizes were about if not half the size they are now. Max Baer killed 2 guys. Oh but thats right he is a heavyweight...what about the lightweight..Leavander Johnson that died from brain surgery sustained in a title fight fight days previous. It is a freak of nature that happnes sometimes unexpededly and unfortunately and if the right person is hit the right way with the right amount of force he will die. and dman w/ 200 fights I hope robinson would have caught somebody like that. This fact is absolutely irrelevent to the case.


5)Tyson trying to get dqed?.. are you serious?....Okay first of all GOLATA quite against tyson becuase tyson knocked his ass down in the 1st round and was straight beasting his ass. Botha?...did you even watch that fight?...iT was botha that incited every single little scuffle they had...and yes..botha was beating mike...but that was wayyy past mikes prime for one...2 botha was a good fighter..what w/ like 64 wins w/ one loss or something..and tyson did get bailed out by his power...but what happens happens...he didn't cheat or do anything wrong..he Ko'd the dude fair and square. Holyfield...yeah..Mike is psyho..Holyfield was butting him..he had a rage attack...he wasnt tring to get DQ'ed out of a fear...lol...and McBride...lol...yes..he is an old man...an oldman far past his fighting years w/ a drug problem. He has temperment issues. he was losing to a nobody and he got frustrated so he started doing crazy shyt....okay..what does this have to do w/a prime tyson i am talking about? Anyways...as a boxing fan you evidently do not know very much about it. If you ever followed a prime tyson you saw his talent..you can say all that quick ko..no competition bs...but there aint even no need to address it. You do not know what you are tlaing about so i aint even gonna waste no more time with it

so hopefully you don't get too exicited. I didn't disrespect anybody..i just stated fact..which i am doing here. It really is annoying for people to say ignorant things because they THINK it is fact..the truth of the matter is...there is no point to prove..if you really do not know what the f*ck you are talking about...do not set yourself up for failure...and don't act like you do. It only makes you look silly in the end. I respect your opinions...but please do not state suspection as fact.

[Hiphopharry]

Like I said, Sugar Ray Robinson, 173 wins, 108 knockouts, 19 losses, 6 draws, as taken from boxrec.com . I don't know where you got those other 2 ko victories for him?

Second, of course Roach is going to give the other guy a chance, its called hyping the fight. Roach thought Mike was going to walk through Mcbride, and was hyping the fight (little did he realize)

Also, How can you still cling to the false belief that Tyson had trouble with tall guys, when some of his easiest wins/ most spectacular kos have come against tall fighters!! As a matter of FACT ALL of his wins were against tall fighters!!

Here we go with the glove size, okay right, gloves were lighter, however, not all gloves, even today, or equal. you have a "puncher's glove" like a reyes, where most of the weight is actually over the wrist, and the padding over the knuckles is a dense (hard) foam that is none too shock absorbent. it is known as a puncher's glove.
Everlast used to make gloves using only horsehair, however, they also switched to foam/ horsehair combo. These gloves were not considered puncher's gloves in comparison. Even today the everlast gloves are mostly made with a softer foam, and are easier on the hands/ and on the opponent.

Glove size and composition is very very very negligable difference when it comes to fights. What causes the damage, an accumulation, or one shot? Is it a combonation of the two?
Also, attached thumb gloves were a somewhat recent invention as well, but I do not think they would affect the outcome of such a match very much.

what have we learned?
-glove size of 2 ounces and some horsehairisn't a major difference when two fighters square off- because they will both be wearing the same gloves!
-Sugar Ray Robinson, 173-19- 6 draws, 108 ko's
-Tyson always fought taller men, so you could also say he does well with them, as he has defeated the majority of men he has faced (logic)
-oh, the clincher,
Botha almost got his arm broke by Mike, on purpose,during a clinch, ditto for McBride.
Try watching the fights sometimes.
Biting Holyfield- yeah mike's real psycho alright, in a ring with both hands free, and he bites a guys ears like a bitch. Maybe if Mike thought he could of beat holyfield, he would have tried to, instead of getting himself DQ'ed because he didn't want to suffer an embarrassing knockout, and the inevitable deflation to his ego because he's not "the baddest man on the planet" anymore. More like a punk bitch. Went out like a sucker, and quit in subsequent fights. Idolize him all you want, a punk, a quitter.
-it is well known Tyson tried to get disqualified rather then get koed in more then a few fights. Secondly, he was using that arm bar rough house shit with Golota, until his power bailed him out, and golota quit (who also had cracked vertabrae in his neck)
in closing; Louis over Tyson, Marciano over Tyson, Sugar Ray Robinson ko 6 PBF.

[yungfaceb3]

You didn't say anything that made any sense...lol...like I said..bring some facts not some stupid ass debatable opinions if your trying to "own" somebody. Everything you said is irrelevent opinion. You have to properly discredit my facts before you can "own" me on this forum dumbass. But i know it means so much too you....

[Hiphopharry]

that's it. that's your response to all my factual evidence? Wow.
Owned
OWNED

[Hiphopharry]

damn and here I thought a person's height was actually empiral data that was objective and not a matter of opinion.
oh, wait...

and another thing,

let's not forget

[yungfaceb3]

you haven't said anything new though. You just beefed up the same old bullshit statements with more opinions and shit. So why am I going to attempt to dicredit things that I already have? This forum doesn't mean that much too me..I already proved your facts both incorrect and ignorant..you haven't brought anything new to the table...lol. There is nothing for me to discredit that hasn't already been discredited. But i'll let you obsess over this little debate until one day you realize you never really raised any opposition to my 12:01Pm post....but I'm troguh with you. You can get off of my nutts now..it is over.

[Hiphopharry]

FACT- TYSON FOUGHT ONLY TALLER MEN AND BEAT MOST OF THEM
FACT- YOU GOT SUGAR RAY's RECORD WRONG
FACT- TYSON TRIED TO BREAK BOTHA'S ARM
FACT- ROBINSON KOed MORE PEOPLE THEN PBF HAS TOTAL FIGHTS
FACT- YOU ARE A TWENTYSOMETHING KID WHO DOESNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BOXING EXCEPT WHAT YOU ARE FED BY POP CULTURE.
FACT- YOU GOT OWNED

[ectomorph28]

The best ever is Sugar Ray Robinson no doubt. Ali is second.
On talent alone, PBF is in the top 10-15 boxers of all-time. However, his resume isnt very impressive. He needs to beat the Mosleys, Cottos, Hattons, Williams etc.. De La Hoya has faced alot of legendary fighters. However, he never beat anyone of them. I thought he beat Trinidad but Trinidaf got roasted by Hopkins and Wright.

Sugar Ray Robinson or PBF? Thats tough. Robinson had tremendous power, length, speed and he was active. But man, Floyd I think would win a UD. Robinsons skills would be neutralized against Mayweather. Mayweather is impossible to hit and hes able to keep guys off of him. Hes one of the best defensive fighters of all-time along with Wilfredo Benitez, Willie Pep, Pernell Whitaker.

[yungfaceb3]

lol...okay okay okay..since your so deeply entrenched on my nutts and it means sooo much to you i will reply. but it really doesn't matter because you are just going to use the same opinions over and over again..okay...lets break your dumbass lil comebacks down again.


1)Tyson foguth mostly taller men....okay...I already said that...so....how are you "telling" me by repeating something I already said? I ALREADY SAID THAT KIDDO DAMN!

2)Actually I did not get his record wrong..you had his record wrong. http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=8346&more=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Ray_Robinson

3) I never said Tyson didn't try to break Bothas arm. I just said Botha encited the scuffles during that fight which he did.

4) Lol...for someone so emotionaly involved in this forum and so deeply on my dikk..you know absolutely nothing about me...

5)-sigh- thus I once again completely factually discredit and decimate your entire childish argument. You will come back with some more opinions and shyt talking..lol..but its all good..you just look stupid getting proved wrong factually. lol

6) Its over....get off my dikk.

[newahnald]

I think PBF would contend with Robsinon and probbaly win by UD. I agree with ectomorph. And about tyson...he had a lot of hype about him..but so did Ali and Leonard...and those 3 are 3 of the the greatest ever. Tyson would KO Marciano and/or Loius iin the opening 2 rounds fighting under current boxing regulations. Fihgting under boxing regulations and rules of the Louis/Marciano era Tyson would Ko them before the end of the first round. It is as simple as that. I agree with y.face on that and I hate to tell you hippo, but you do look kind of silly on here. You seem like you take this too seriously and y.face totally slaughtered you in the debate dude. Give it up. You win some, you lose some.

newAHNALD!!!

[Hiphopharry]

no , I would trust boxrec more then wikipedia when it comes to boxing records, dummy.
Also, you have your opinions, and no amount of fact will keep you from believing your fiction.
Ok, I get it, you haven't seen any of the aforementioned all time greats fight, its okay, you were probably brought up in the "Tyson Era" and therefore got carried away with all the hype. I understand.
Mayweather beat Sugar Ray Robinson- not on his worst day would Sugar ray lose to that little guy.
If you don't believe me ask the real experts, over at the Ring Magazine who have Sugar Ray Robinson waaaya ahead of PBF on the all time great list. They are the experts

ps- nice move but pretty childish and transparent just reiterating your weak argument through the use of the additional screen name, whose only had 1 post and that one post is in response to this thread. Nice try dude.
Play that with a fellow 20 year old kid that only saw boxing on tv.....
for you, for your new screen name (alter ego, whatever)

[Hiphopharry]

if you want I can get you a link to a dictionary with the words "reiterate" and "transparent" ,son.

[Hiphopharry]

now respond to that

[yungfaceb3]

stop obsessing over this stupid azz forum boy damn. Get a damn life and get off of my damn nutts. I don't know who the fuk newahnald is..for all I know...it is probbaly YOU trying to keep this damn forum going seeing as how you are damn latched onto it like a lifeless leech. Its over...you haven't broutht naything new to the table.


people who try to argue with opinions and emotions instead of facts

[Hiphopharry]

see, i got you to respond back, next thing you'll be sucking my dick.

[newahnald]

this is what happens when ppl take these forums too seriously. Get a life beyond your PC hippo, you sound like a homosexual loser. ROFL. What a ****ing loser!

[Booz]

wats with all the hostility,calm it down boys thankyou..............

[Booz]

this is what happens when ppl take these forums too seriously. Get a life beyond your PC hippo, you sound like a homosexual loser. ROFL. What a ****ing loser!

and what pray tell have you against homosexuals??

[newahnald]

lol...ohh..nothing. I do not have naything against homosexuals. I am not one and do not associate with them but I mean I have nothing against them. To each his own you know. I just said that hippoharry sounded like a homosexual because honestly he did. I do no instigate or promote the hostility on here, and I understand this a forum and people are going to have differing opinions that sometimes lead to debates and arguments (such as between yungface and hippoharry) concerning the topic of the forum. But I understand that it is just that a "forum" on the internet. It just seems that hippo is becoming emotionally involded and saying inappropriate things because his side of the argument was smashed. I apologize if anyone was offended by my comments, my intention was not harm.

[yungfaceb3]

lol...NUFF SAID!