Without a weight class...

[meathead320]

I have wondered, or just a theory, on size/strength being or not being an advantage in MMA, or even a real world fight.

Now, I have seen a few very fast fights, in the military, and just out on the town, where too much has been drank, where the bigger guy clearly mashed the bejebus out of the smaller guy.

However, in the UFC, so far as I know, and I do not keep up on it much, that there is a limit of 265 pounds.

But if there was not, and any size was allowable, could a monster be built to win using power-moves?

Take one of the big WSM contenders. Any one of these guys is world class strength athlete, and tend to be huge. Take Phil Phister or Magnus Sameulson for examples, 6’6” 330, and 6’7” 340 respectively.

If there was a guy with that kind of size and strength already there, and he was young enough, say < 30 years old, with the right trainer, and enough motivation, could they be trained to win in MMA, within a 3 year time period, and use the size + strength as an advantage?

This would be in a situation without a maximum weight class obviously.

Some of these guys are strong enough to simply break a guys arm easily, just by grabbing the upper arm and wrist and pushing it over their knee.

Or, on the other hand, would the size and weight make them so slow they would just get knocked out, cold, even if they had a few years of MMA training under the belt?

[QuieTSToRM33]

Look up Bob Sapp .... then tell me what you think.

[No One Knows]

I have wondered, or just a theory, on size/strength being or not being an advantage in MMA, or even a real world fight.

Now, I have seen a few very fast fights, in the military, and just out on the town, where too much has been drank, where the bigger guy clearly mashed the bejebus out of the smaller guy.

However, in the UFC, so far as I know, and I do not keep up on it much, that there is a limit of 265 pounds.

But if there was not, and any size was allowable, could a monster be built to win using power-moves?

Take one of the big WSM contenders. Any one of these guys is world class strength athlete, and tend to be huge. Take Phil Phister or Magnus Sameulson for examples, 6’6” 330, and 6’7” 340 respectively.

If there was a guy with that kind of size and strength already there, and he was young enough, say < 30 years old, with the right trainer, and enough motivation, could they be trained to win in MMA, within a 3 year time period, and use the size + strength as an advantage?

This would be in a situation without a maximum weight class obviously.

Some of these guys are strong enough to simply break a guys arm easily, just by grabbing the upper arm and wrist and pushing it over their knee.

Or, on the other hand, would the size and weight make them so slow they would just get knocked out, cold, even if they had a few years of MMA training under the belt?

Your last line says it all. Those guys are all too big and slow. Get anyone who can throw and the big guys jaw is going to be soft.

[rush_604]

Size plays some what of a role.

Recently when Fedor fought Hong man Choi (whos massive) Fedor was trying to take him down and HMC would just fall on him. Now if HMC had any skill he would capitalize on this try to get good position and look for a sub or Ground and Pound. To bad he didnt though and Fedor Arm barred him from the bottom.

So if you have really good size and skill to back it up, it will def. be a advantage

[Lexed]

ya fedor got really messed up. If you saw the vid fedor had no chance taking down HMC. I think if HMC had more ground game he would beat fedor

[TAPPER]

Originally posted by: QuieTSToRM33

Look up Bob Sapp .... then tell me what you think.

Bob Sapp has no stamina, limited mma skills, and seems to be happy playing the fool in Japan instead of really trying to get better.

[sphincter]

Size and huge-ness is great an all but if you can't manuever or otherwise put that advantag eto good use, it is def. a liability. This is the case for most. if not all, the big-huge guys in the game today. a smaller heavy weight or big light heavyweight would be my pick to win it all in a no-class bout...

[miguy82]

I think alot comes down to ur athletic ability, doesnt matter small or big.

But it will matter on if their both about the same skill and athletic ability bigger usually wins..

But i do know alot of guys who would be 10x more athletic but lose due to not willing to scrap .

Juat like saying if i got in a fight knowing i was more athletic i could fairly lose due to not like fighting ang going all out like the other guy would be

[MASTER]

Yeh Sapp is the prime example, dude is like as strong as ronnie (squats and deads 800lbs+) and is absolutely huge, but has no skill whatsoever and as a result has got his ass handed to him by many good fighters. If sapp worked on his cv, I would be interested in how he would do in ufc, with those tiny gloves and taking people down at will. K-1 pretty much takes most of Sapps advantages away, whereas ufc rules would do him a lot of favours.

[meathead320]

Yeh Sapp is the prime example, dude is like as strong as ronnie (squats and deads 800lbs+) and is absolutely huge, but has no skill whatsoever and as a result has got his ass handed to him by many good fighters. If sapp worked on his cv, I would be interested in how he would do in ufc, with those tiny gloves and taking people down at will. K-1 pretty much takes most of Sapps advantages away, whereas ufc rules would do him a lot of favours.

See, my idea was in a situation like Sapp, but where the skill is also up to par.

That may take away some of the weight, as that would be needed for quickness, but say he was down to a much faster leaner 300 even, almost just as strong, but with a lot more skill too, then he would be a lot harder to beat. at least IMHO.

I read an interview where he admitted to not being 6'7" and 350, and said he was more like 6'4.25" (http://www.celebheights.com/s/Bob-Sapp-3262.html) and 320-330 pounds. Still huge beyong all belief though, and has the reach of a 7ft guy. At 290-300, I bet he woudl still have a lot of power, but just be all that much faster.