Thoughs and answer on steroids in mma

[*RAGE*]

I want to get some feed back on using steroids in the mma world. What do you guys and gals think and what cycles would be best if you were to cycle for mma? I have fought in the cage but all small events. I just now started using steroids and wish I would have before when i was fighting.

[T_Own]

well assuming it was during your career, you would want something that is out of your system quick, and adds a lot of strength and not much weight. something like anavar would be good, so you wouldn't have to move up in weight

[*RAGE*]

I wish i was training several fighters before going to iraq. i still stay in contact with most of them and since i have been on this sight i was just woundering what would work for them.

[WARMachine]

T is right, Var is best... Good strength gains, not much weight, and no bad sides...

personally i ran a test e12wk, eq12wk, dbol(frontloadwk1-4), and followed with var wks9-12... I kept about 15pounds of lean, and managed to weigh 200lbs, i cut to 185 now, I feel way better being this much bigger...

great cycle...

[NaturalKid2008]

I'm sorry, I really don't care if I get banned from this forum for speaking truth.

But it's people like you who ruin sports like MMA, and any other sports. I think people on steroids, need to be banned from competing in all sports except bodybuilding which we know all of them do roids anyways.

I think MMA should instate drug testing for anabolic steroids and all those who come positive should be banned from competing... it's messed up you guys are nothing but cheaters, it took me years of doing it the natural way, and training hard the natural way giving it 110%.

I think it's sad that you guys have to cheat and use drugs to try to be at the top.

Look at how frank shamrock beat the crap outta phil baroni, frank shamrock is natural baroni tested positive on roids and still got his butt handed to him.

I think everybody wants to be the best and those steroid users want a shortcut. I think juicers should be kicked outta the sport, or punish them until they stop juicing. They should not be allowed to compete in MMA competitions in my opinion.

MMA Isn't about juicing, it's about keep moving forward, never quitting, hard work and dedication. You juicers are a disgrace to the sport of mma but that is my opinion.

[warchild]

I'm sorry, I really don't care if I get banned from this forum for speaking truth.

But it's people like you who ruin sports like MMA, and any other sports. I think people on steroids, need to be banned from competing in all sports except bodybuilding which we know all of them do roids anyways.

I think MMA should instate drug testing for anabolic steroids and all those who come positive should be banned from competing... it's messed up you guys are nothing but cheaters, it took me years of doing it the natural way, and training hard the natural way giving it 110%.

I think it's sad that you guys have to cheat and use drugs to try to be at the top.

Look at how frank shamrock beat the crap outta phil baroni, frank shamrock is natural baroni tested positive on roids and still got his butt handed to him.

I think everybody wants to be the best and those steroid users want a shortcut. I think juicers should be kicked outta the sport, or punish them until they stop juicing. They should not be allowed to compete in MMA competitions in my opinion.

MMA Isn't about juicing, it's about keep moving forward, never quitting, hard work and dedication. You juicers are a disgrace to the sport of mma but that is my opinion.

haha. if you think steroids are cheating then get the fvck outta here...your at the wrong site! You obviously are one of those people who thinks you just take a shot and wake up bigger and stronger and do not understand the physical and mental dedication some of us go through

[NaturalKid2008]

nah dude but it's pretty obvious it gives people an overwelming advantage over those who don't use it. It is a shortcut, and it is cheating in my book.

basically, what I am trying to say is, you guys ain't s*** without your roids. stop juicing and you would get murdered in the cage.

oh and hey, u know u mess ur body up by taking that stuff?

[warchild]

Hey newb not everyone wants to be mma. Hopefully you can educate yourself on AAS while here, rather then listening to FOX news as your only source of AAS info. Also, you dont mess up your body if taken the right compounds for the right amount of time and also pct/time off recovery. Educate young one

[NaturalKid2008]

dude whatever, all im saying is it's cheap to use roids when competing in MMA. that's all im saying. not only is it cheating and cheap, it should be banned. And yea, not everyone on here wants to get into mma. I don't want you roid users in my sport anyways. Unless you stop juicing.

[WDMF]

nah dude but it's pretty obvious it gives people an overwelming advantage over those who don't use it. It is a shortcut, and it is cheating in my book.

basically, what I am trying to say is, you guys ain't s*** without your roids. stop juicing and you would get murdered in the cage.

oh and hey, u know u mess ur body up by taking that stuff?

Here's an interesting take....Let's say a guy wants to fight MMA that has a natural low testosterone level. He goes to an endocrinologist to see what he can do about his levels. The Dr. puts him on testosterone injections to raise his levels to the normal range.

Legally it is recognized as medication to treat a condition. Is that still cheating?

[warchild]

Roids are huge in the MMA if you don't know and they always will be huge in any sport. I think you might need to check the name of site again friend.

[yannick35]

I'm sorry, I really don't care if I get banned from this forum for speaking truth.

But it's people like you who ruin sports like MMA, and any other sports. I think people on steroids, need to be banned from competing in all sports except bodybuilding which we know all of them do roids anyways.

I think MMA should instate drug testing for anabolic steroids and all those who come positive should be banned from competing... it's messed up you guys are nothing but cheaters, it took me years of doing it the natural way, and training hard the natural way giving it 110%.

I think it's sad that you guys have to cheat and use drugs to try to be at the top.

Look at how frank shamrock beat the crap outta phil baroni, frank shamrock is natural baroni tested positive on roids and still got his butt handed to him.

I think everybody wants to be the best and those steroid users want a shortcut. I think juicers should be kicked outta the sport, or punish them until they stop juicing. They should not be allowed to compete in MMA competitions in my opinion.

MMA Isn't about juicing, it's about keep moving forward, never quitting, hard work and dedication. You juicers are a disgrace to the sport of mma but that is my opinion.

Well UFC is doing a great job with there drug policy has are other big MMA organization, i feel that this is right has well.

I am not judging people who use steroids has hard has you are, after all i did used them back in 1999.

I guess its a personal choice, some will use steroids, some will use natural products.

Has of now streroid usage will be seen in the small scene, where they dont have the money to drug test the fighters.

But if someone is using in UFC dont worry they will be cough and sanctioned.

[WARMachine]

dude whatever, all im saying is it's cheap to use roids when competing in MMA. that's all im saying. not only is it cheating and cheap, it should be banned. And yea, not everyone on here wants to get into mma. I don't want you roid users in my sport anyways. Unless you stop juicing.

Why do you belong to a steroid forum if you think steroids are for cheaters? Your lack of knowledge in MMA and AAS is easily seen. And im curious on how it is your sport? Did you create the sport? No! So what makes it yours? Cause you order ALL the UFC's, you own 100 PRIDE and UFC DVD's? Because you read mmajunkie? Because you train at some POS gym in the middle of nowhere? Because your a Blue Belt in BJJ? Because you have an account on sherdog, where all you do is sit there and behind your computer and run you puppy dog mouth about fighters all day...

"I hate Tito even though ive never met him, but everyone else says hes an a dick so he must be! Cung Le is the best ever, hell beat Anderson Silva! Chuck Liddell is the best! Forrest Griffen sucks..."

Dude you guys make me sick! All you little punks do is sit there and be e-toughguys, run your mouth about guys like me who step in there and put it all on the line everyday. Guys like me who need this sport to support our familes. Damn right i use AAS! I would do whatever it takes to put food on the table for my family, if that means being called a cheater by little punks like you, so be it... But SHUT your mouth before you think of talking about something you dont know about....

Your a punk dude, you think you can take any steroid, and suddenly youre superman, you dont know what the hell youre talking about... You have to work harder than people who dont take them! I bet you'd be against police officers taking them as well? "All im saying is its cheap, they shouldnt take AAS, they're supposed to enforce the law not break it"... I bet this would be your response in that case huh?(obviously not as gramatically well put together) Instead of realizing that if police need help in having the upper hand against REAL criminals, so be it!

Like i said, youre a chump, the day you cash a check for stepping in the ring, is the day you can talk shit!

Thats it im done...

[HeavyHitter]

Why do you belong to a steroid forum if you think steroids are for cheaters? Your lack of knowledge in MMA and AAS is easily seen. And im curious on how it is your sport? Did you create the sport? No! So what makes it yours? Cause you order ALL the UFC's, you own 100 PRIDE and UFC DVD's? Because you read mmajunkie? Because you train at some POS gym in the middle of nowhere? Because your a Blue Belt in BJJ? Because you have an account on sherdog, where all you do is sit there and behind your computer and run you puppy dog mouth about fighters all day...

"I hate Tito even though ive never met him, but everyone else says hes an a dick so he must be! Cung Le is the best ever, hell beat Anderson Silva! Chuck Liddell is the best! Forrest Griffen sucks..."

Dude you guys make me sick! All you little punks do is sit there and be e-toughguys, run your mouth about guys like me who step in there and put it all on the line everyday. Guys like me who need this sport to support our familes. Damn right i use AAS! I would do whatever it takes to put food on the table for my family, if that means being called a cheater by little punks like you, so be it... But SHUT your mouth before you think of talking about something you dont know about....

Your a punk dude, you think you can take any steroid, and suddenly youre superman, you dont know what the hell youre talking about... You have to work harder than people who dont take them! I bet you'd be against police officers taking them as well? "All im saying is its cheap, they shouldnt take AAS, they're supposed to enforce the law not break it"... I bet this would be your response in that case huh?(obviously not as gramatically well put together) Instead of realizing that if police need help in having the upper hand against REAL criminals, so be it!

Like i said, youre a chump, the day you cash a check for stepping in the ring, is the day you can talk shit!

Thats it im done...

nicely handled!! lol We should save this post for the next cry baby...

[WDMF]

Why do you belong to a steroid forum if you think steroids are for cheaters? Your lack of knowledge in MMA and AAS is easily seen. And im curious on how it is your sport? Did you create the sport? No! So what makes it yours? Cause you order ALL the UFC's, you own 100 PRIDE and UFC DVD's? Because you read mmajunkie? Because you train at some POS gym in the middle of nowhere? Because your a Blue Belt in BJJ? Because you have an account on sherdog, where all you do is sit there and behind your computer and run you puppy dog mouth about fighters all day...

"I hate Tito even though ive never met him, but everyone else says hes an a dick so he must be! Cung Le is the best ever, hell beat Anderson Silva! Chuck Liddell is the best! Forrest Griffen sucks..."

Dude you guys make me sick! All you little punks do is sit there and be e-toughguys, run your mouth about guys like me who step in there and put it all on the line everyday. Guys like me who need this sport to support our familes. Damn right i use AAS! I would do whatever it takes to put food on the table for my family, if that means being called a cheater by little punks like you, so be it... But SHUT your mouth before you think of talking about something you dont know about....

Your a punk dude, you think you can take any steroid, and suddenly youre superman, you dont know what the hell youre talking about... You have to work harder than people who dont take them! I bet you'd be against police officers taking them as well? "All im saying is its cheap, they shouldnt take AAS, they're supposed to enforce the law not break it"... I bet this would be your response in that case huh?(obviously not as gramatically well put together) Instead of realizing that if police need help in having the upper hand against REAL criminals, so be it!

Like i said, youre a chump, the day you cash a check for stepping in the ring, is the day you can talk shit!

Thats it im done...

Maybe he is just a little guy who is afraid of needles.

[MuscleScience]

I'm sorry, I really don't care if I get banned from this forum for speaking truth.

But it's people like you who ruin sports like MMA, and any other sports. I think people on steroids, need to be banned from competing in all sports except bodybuilding which we know all of them do roids anyways.

I think MMA should instate drug testing for anabolic steroids and all those who come positive should be banned from competing... it's messed up you guys are nothing but cheaters, it took me years of doing it the natural way, and training hard the natural way giving it 110%.

I think it's sad that you guys have to cheat and use drugs to try to be at the top.

Look at how frank shamrock beat the crap outta phil baroni, frank shamrock is natural baroni tested positive on roids and still got his butt handed to him.

I think everybody wants to be the best and those steroid users want a shortcut. I think juicers should be kicked outta the sport, or punish them until they stop juicing. They should not be allowed to compete in MMA competitions in my opinion.

MMA Isn't about juicing, it's about keep moving forward, never quitting, hard work and dedication. You juicers are a disgrace to the sport of mma but that is my opinion.

If you only knew, MMA is one of the more clean sports when compared to other competitive sports. If you truly understood the level of dedication and training it takes to be an elite level athlete you would know that athletes can and do routinely push their bodies beyond what is healthy and natural. AAS usage gives the athlete the ability to train just as hard without breaking down to the point of repetitive injury and fatigue. I say regulate it and allow for it to be used in sports. Look at baseball, it has never been so popular and profitable as when guys were hitting 50+bombs a year. If everyone is doing it, is it not a even playing field.

Plus Frank Shamrock in not all natural, no matter what that liar says.

[Jfew44]

nah dude but it's pretty obvious it gives people an overwelming advantage over those who don't use it. It is a shortcut, and it is cheating in my book.

basically, what I am trying to say is, you guys ain't s*** without your roids. stop juicing and you would get murdered in the cage.

oh and hey, u know u mess ur body up by taking that stuff?

dude whatever, all im saying is it's cheap to use roids when competing in MMA. that's all im saying. not only is it cheating and cheap, it should be banned. And yea, not everyone on here wants to get into mma. I don't want you roid users in my sport anyways. Unless you stop juicing.

Why are you on this site? Goodbye

[WARMachine]

Thanks for the support fellas... I cant believe this "kid"... And you know he is one, like i told him, the day he gets paid for stepping in a cage, is the day he can run his mouth to me!

Dont believe me? Check my profile, pics and avatar!

[Voice of Reason]

"Eat em, Shoot em, Smoke em, if you got em." Chuck Liddell.

[BNK89]

I know you guys just ripped this kid for saying roids were cheating, but I kind of agree with him. I realize while using juice you have to be even more dedicated to get the results you want and it takes a shit load of work, but it's still putting something synthetic into your body to try and gain an advantage. I've never fought before, but I wrestled in high school so I know a little bit about the sport, but IMO it really isn't fair especially at the heavier weights. I wrestled a kid names Platt who was recently kicked out of Penn State for juicing and I can tell you that juicing is BULLSHIT in highschool sports. This kid was so much "bigger" than anyone else at 215. Though maybe at the professional level it isn't as big of a deal since everyone cuts down anyways.

[Voice of Reason]

I know you guys just ripped this kid for saying roids were cheating, but I kind of agree with him. I realize while using juice you have to be even more dedicated to get the results you want and it takes a shit load of work, but it's still putting something synthetic into your body to try and gain an advantage. I've never fought before, but I wrestled in high school so I know a little bit about the sport, but IMO it really isn't fair especially at the heavier weights. I wrestled a kid names Platt who was recently kicked out of Penn State for juicing and I can tell you that juicing is BULLSHIT in highschool sports. This kid was so much "bigger" than anyone else at 215. Though maybe at the professional level it isn't as big of a deal since everyone cuts down anyways.

Hmm...

Article- http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnews...isses_thr.html

Video- http://www.flowrestling.org/videos/c...-of-new-jersey

"He said alot of people didn't want to workout with him." lol.

[WARMachine]

I know you guys just ripped this kid for saying roids were cheating, but I kind of agree with him. I realize while using juice you have to be even more dedicated to get the results you want and it takes a shit load of work, but it's still putting something synthetic into your body to try and gain an advantage. I've never fought before, but I wrestled in high school so I know a little bit about the sport, but IMO it really isn't fair especially at the heavier weights. I wrestled a kid names Platt who was recently kicked out of Penn State for juicing and I can tell you that juicing is BULLSHIT in highschool sports. This kid was so much "bigger" than anyone else at 215. Though maybe at the professional level it isn't as big of a deal since everyone cuts down anyways.

Well i agree with you on this point... Steroids in high school sports are unfair. At that age, size makes a world of difference because a skillset is still in development. That being said, steroids are not for kids. You should achive some things natuarlly and then think about AAS. If this kid did in fact use while still in high school, he will regret it later in life. Its that simple. Its different for full grown adult males. Personally, as far as i know, im the only guy here who is a professional fighter who has used AAS.

Personally, ive never used them when i fought, or even before i fought. Im speaking for many fighters (you'd be surprised who) that i know that have taken AAS.

They do not help cardio, technique, or skill improvement... It does however help, in strength and size. Thats it, and when you fight at middleweight like i do, its hardly a advantage. I can only be SO much bigger than others at 185lbs...

I merely used them to gain muscle when i took a year off of fighting, and when i wanted to move up a weight class. Its not like wrestling which has many weight classes to compete in. If someone wants to fight MMA, and you weigh 176lbs naturaly like i did, you can only fight at 170lbs, 185lbs, or if you can bring yourself to cut the weight, 155lbs... Thats it, and that was me, i had a hard time fighting guys that walked around at 185 or 190.

So i used AAS to gain about 10lbs the first time. And it helped the size difference. After two fights, i took a year off, and used again. This time i gained another 15lbs and i now walk around at about 205 or 200 and i fight full time at 185.

Honestly guys, i can tell you you want to use AAS in MMA thats fine, but its not like what everyone thinks it is... Again, it does not improve your skills, steroids cant make me land kicks or punches, sink in submissions quicker, or score takedowns, I have to do that. And anyone who says different, doesnt really know what they are talking about...

I hope this sheads some light on the situation.

[yannick35]

Well i agree with you on this point... Steroids in high school sports are unfair. At that age, size makes a world of difference because a skillset is still in development. That being said, steroids are not for kids. You should achive some things natuarlly and then think about AAS. If this kid did in fact use while still in high school, he will regret it later in life. Its that simple. Its different for full grown adult males. Personally, as far as i know, im the only guy here who is a professional fighter who has used AAS.

Personally, ive never used them when i fought, or even before i fought. Im speaking for many fighters (you'd be surprised who) that i know that have taken AAS.

They do not help cardio, technique, or skill improvement... It does however help, in strength and size. Thats it, and when you fight at middleweight like i do, its hardly a advantage. I can only be SO much bigger than others at 185lbs...

I merely used them to gain muscle when i took a year off of fighting, and when i wanted to move up a weight class. Its not like wrestling which has many weight classes to compete in. If someone wants to fight MMA, and you weigh 176lbs naturaly like i did, you can only fight at 170lbs, 185lbs, or if you can bring yourself to cut the weight, 155lbs... Thats it, and that was me, i had a hard time fighting guys that walked around at 185 or 190.

So i used AAS to gain about 10lbs the first time. And it helped the size difference. After two fights, i took a year off, and used again. This time i gained another 15lbs and i now walk around at about 205 or 200 and i fight full time at 185.

Honestly guys, i can tell you you want to use AAS in MMA thats fine, but its not like what everyone thinks it is... Again, it does not improve your skills, steroids cant make me land kicks or punches, sink in submissions quicker, or score takedowns, I have to do that. And anyone who says different, doesnt really know what they are talking about...

I hope this sheads some light on the situation.

Great points, when i took steroids i tough they where the worst for cardio, i always had rapid heartbeat, scary at some point and always sweating.

Guess that was the effect of testosteron Enhantate.

After all whats the point to try and gain 10 pounds of most of that weight gain comes from fat. With a good PCT you can keep almost all of your gains.

The great Dan Duchaine said it best, one steroid cycle a year for 8 weeks will actually make the gains easier for the rest of the year if you train naturally.

I am done with steroids, i did them twice back in 1999, but now at 36 i find myself in need of losing weight not gaining some.

In fact i just went to posture re-education last week and the women says i got a very good muscle mass to fat ratio i am 5 feet 10 and 205 pounds.

If possible i would love to get down to 185 that would make it a lot easier to get back into martial arts, i am now doing kickboxing and do find it hard at that weight to kick high, and my cardio is not very good either.

I cannot use ephedrine anymore and too much caffeine and theses natural fat burners will really cause some stomach upset, my body really is not the same has when i was in my 20.

So i have to rely on diet and diet alone to lose weight. I can only imagine if i would ever take Clenbuterol and T3 again YIKES.

Good luck on your MMA career war4BTT, looking forward to seeing some of your fights.

[NaturalKid2008]

war4btt your nothing but a loser punk, without your roids you ain't nothin, i hope u get caught with a drug test for steroids before your fights you cheap S.o.b. All steroid users in MMA should be banned, and many people in my dojo would agree.

Roids will definately blind you from the truth, i'd destroy you at 185 or 205, especially if you don't have your roids guaranteed. people like you are the scum and infectious disease of all sports. all roid users in MMA should be banned, and not allowed to compete again.

[yannick35]

war4btt your nothing but a loser punk, without your roids you ain't nothin, i hope u get caught with a drug test for steroids before your fights you cheap S.o.b. All steroid users in MMA should be banned, and many people in my dojo would agree.

Roids will definately blind you from the truth, i'd destroy you at 185 or 205, especially if you don't have your roids guaranteed. people like you are the scum and infectious disease of all sports. all roid users in MMA should be banned, and not allowed to compete again.

I just found your dojo on the internet http://www.matbattle.com/

Also if you read War4BTT post you will see that he doesnt take steroids during a fight or even before.

Has an old steroid user myself i do understand is point, and i also understand the cut down for a fight since i competed in TKD and Boxing younger. It can be quit painful to gain 10 pounds of muscle.

I wonder why you registered to this board anyways? 95% of people here use steroids or have used them in the past.

[WARMachine]

war4btt your nothing but a loser punk, without your roids you ain't nothin, i hope u get caught with a drug test for steroids before your fights you cheap S.o.b. All steroid users in MMA should be banned, and many people in my dojo would agree.

Roids will definately blind you from the truth, i'd destroy you at 185 or 205, especially if you don't have your roids guaranteed. people like you are the scum and infectious disease of all sports. all roid users in MMA should be banned, and not allowed to compete again.

Hahahaha

People in your Dojo huh? Is that the one that Yannick found? I bet it is...

Dude, if you knew who i was, and who ive fought, youd piss yourself...

I'd smash the sht outta you...

Your just a 17 year old E-toughguy...

[WDMF]

war4btt your nothing but a loser punk, without your roids you ain't nothin, i hope u get caught with a drug test for steroids before your fights you cheap S.o.b. All steroid users in MMA should be banned, and many people in my dojo would agree.

Roids will definately blind you from the truth, i'd destroy you at 185 or 205, especially if you don't have your roids guaranteed. people like you are the scum and infectious disease of all sports. all roid users in MMA should be banned, and not allowed to compete again.

Steroids are such a debatable subject in MMA. I can speak first hand. I’ve lifted most of my life and I’m 6’0 220-227 with about 13% bodyfat, but that’s just a guess. I just turned 34 and started BJJ 1 ½ yrs ago. I’ve been on HRT for about 2 ½ years taking 200mg of test cyp EOW. While I do notice a difference in my overall fitness on HRT it does not make me a bad ass on the mat. I’m in pretty good rolling shape and handle myself well due to my strength, but I’ll tell you when I face purple belts 185lb and up I have issues. Granted this is not MMA and I can’t punch them in the face where my strength could be a factor. Their skill far outweighs my “HRT cheating” so to speak. I used to get owned by a 155lb brown belt, so what does that tell you.

So does testosterone help = yes
Does it make you superman = no

Take a look at the older UFCs where you had some real monsters in that cage fighting. Now that could be called cheating…today’s MMA fighters are a different breed. Yes some take substances that are called roids to some, but if you look at the nature of the sport and are in it long enough you will be overcome by injury which is what eventually leads these athletes to choose to cycle. That or move up a weight class as discussed.

Please go find another board to talk you trash. We are here to educate each other on this board and your kind are not wanted here.

[senior_xj]

I think steroids should be legalized for all fighting sports!!! Imagine guys like Mike Tyson on 5 grams of test a week eating body parts, Kimbo Slice doped up on 200mg of tren daily beating down the ref cause the fight went to quickly, and Brock Lesner on handfulls of dbol and anadrol just picking up dudes and throwing em out of the cage into the audience!!! Now that would be entertainment!!!

Sorry i had to say it!!!!!!!!!!

[MuscleScience]

I think steroids should be legalized for all fighting sports!!! Imagine guys like Mike Tyson on 5 grams of test a week eating body parts, Kimbo Slice doped up on 200mg of tren daily beating down the ref cause the fight went to quickly, and Brock Lesner on handfulls of dbol and anadrol just picking up dudes and throwing em out of the cage into the audience!!! Now that would be entertainment!!!

Sorry i had to say it!!!!!!!!!!

That makes no sense

[zimmy]

war4btt your nothing but a loser punk, without your roids you ain't nothin, i hope u get caught with a drug test for steroids before your fights you cheap S.o.b. All steroid users in MMA should be banned, and many people in my dojo would agree.

Roids will definately blind you from the truth, i'd destroy you at 185 or 205, especially if you don't have your roids guaranteed. people like you are the scum and infectious disease of all sports. all roid users in MMA should be banned, and not allowed to compete again.

Here's the truth for you...I can tell by this post that you are VERY young...keep your sh*t talking on sherdog or some where else. I don't care where you train or how good you think you are, talking sh*t on the internet is for kiddies and it's retarded. You don't agree with steroids...good don't use em...don't force your beliefs on some one else. Also...on this forum you can talk about anything that is not against the rules. But do so without flaming and also try to know a little about what you are talking about before you start flapping. I don't take roids and I can say they don't really help people in mma / jitsu...mostly cutting agents and things to help your joints are used. Test and most other strength enhancers don't do much on the matt. If you haven't found that yet...then your skill is not quite up to par with the "roid" users you fought yet.

[yannick35]

Here's the truth for you...I can tell by this post that you are VERY young...keep your sh*t talking on sherdog or some where else. I don't care where you train or how good you think you are, talking sh*t on the internet is for kiddies and it's retarded. You don't agree with steroids...good don't use em...don't force your beliefs on some one else. Also...on this forum you can talk about anything that is not against the rules. But do so without flaming and also try to know a little about what you are talking about before you start flapping. I don't take roids and I can say they don't really help people in mma / jitsu...mostly cutting agents and things to help your joints are used. Test and most other strength enhancers don't do much on the matt. If you haven't found that yet...then your skill is not quite up to par with the "roid" users you fought yet.

zimmy your are so right looks like a sherdog forum poster for sure.

[WARMachine]

exactly!

[QuieTSToRM33]

I leave for 2 weeks and this is what I come back to ???????

Give me a f*cking break.

[WARMachine]

Sorry you had to come back to this bro...

What can you expect?
Sherdog is invading the steroid boards now...

[purebredmma]

War4btt
Im not here to bash on anyone Im curious in using myself!!Im just a newbie.You seem like the only other real fighter on this site that has used and i could gain knowledge from. I want to just start off taking sustanon. Would sustanon benefit me or recommend anything else to start off?? Tell that dojo faggot to shut the f*ck up I also train with top notch fighters and even UFC veterans. Its in the sport and probably your favorite fighter is using. Mr. Natural your mind would blow if there ever was a list of the fighters that use.But not here to say names or point fingers at anyone just to gain knowledge!!

Everyone has to put food on the table and keep the water running at home!!!!

[WARMachine]

Thanks for the compliment PURE.

There happens to be another fighter on this forum, (hes an AM) although he does not frequent it as often as i do.

Running cycles before a fight is never a good idea. One of two things will surley happen. You will either get caught in your post fight drug screening, or you will get injured in the middle of training. Both are things to avoid, therefore i NEVER cycle before a fight.

Generally, i cycle about 2-4weeks after my fight in order to recover quicker and weight/strength gain whatever i need.

Taking sustanon might be an option for you. But to better determine what you should use lets get some questions answered.

Steroids and MMA are a tricky thing. Sometimes a fighter doesnt want to gain 20lbs from a test cycle. So maybe they run an anavar bridge? Or if they want to move up a few weight classes they may do a heavier cycle, it really depends.

Lets see these stats and see what will be best for you. All you may need is a better diet and training routine in order to achive your goals.

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day (I want to see a FULL day's meal plan. Go into extreme detail and include how much your food weighs and/or macros.)
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)
Current weight class, and your disired weight class.
What level you are competing at? Pro? AM?

[CSAR]

This has been one of the best threads I've come across in a while. Although, quite obviously, those who have experience with AAS in MMA are ing those who whine about it being unfair and immoral.

Using anabolic steroids does not translate into fighting ability/skill. In conjunction with a proper diet, they can make you stronger and help decrease your recovery time, but they will not help you to land punches, improve your takedown defense, or enable you to submit your opponent at will.

If you're against steroids, then don't come to a pro-AAS board. That's like going into a vampire coven and railing against sucking blood - you're gonna get drained dry and tossed aside like Paul Bunyan's firewood.

[Voice of Reason]

War4BTT which guy is you? so I can cheer at your next fight.

[WDMF]

Thanks for the compliment PURE.

There happens to be another fighter on this forum, (hes an AM) although he does not frequent it as often as i do.

Running cycles before a fight is never a good idea. One of two things will surley happen. You will either get caught in your post fight drug screening, or you will get injured in the middle of training. Both are things to avoid, therefore i NEVER cycle before a fight.

Generally, i cycle about 2-4weeks after my fight in order to recover quicker and weight/strength gain whatever i need.

Taking sustanon might be an option for you. But to better determine what you should use lets get some questions answered.

Steroids and MMA are a tricky thing. Sometimes a fighter doesnt want to gain 20lbs from a test cycle. So maybe they run an anavar bridge? Or if they want to move up a few weight classes they may do a heavier cycle, it really depends.

Lets see these stats and see what will be best for you. All you may need is a better diet and training routine in order to achive your goals.

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day (I want to see a FULL day's meal plan. Go into extreme detail and include how much your food weighs and/or macros.)
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)
Current weight class, and your disired weight class.
What level you are competing at? Pro? AM?

War,
Can you give an example of your lifting routine when you cycle? Do you do any MMA training at this time or is it straight lifting? I started BJJ 1 1/2 years ago and I try to still lift as hard as I can with a traditional BB routine, but I often get injured or overtrain. I also do crossfit from time to time, but I'm always curious as to what lifting routine's actual fighters do.

[purebredmma]

age 21
height 5'8
weight145 fight weight 155 everyday
bf%11%
diet summary/# meals per day (I want to see a FULL day's meal plan. Go into extreme detail and include how much your food weighs and/or macros.)
4 meals per day
breakfast 8 ounces of plain oatmeal 12oz glass of orange juice apple or banana
meal 2# dry turkey sandwhich on wheat/pasta with lemon juice for sauce 12 ounce can of fruit
lunch 16oz dry chicken breast with either can of green beans or corn both low sodium or no sodium
Dinner Pasta/chicken 160z
years lifting / workout split
5 years lifting
mon-wednesday-fri
cardio 2 miles warm up
5 mile run (treadmill)
Muay Thai and boxing
6:00 pm til 9:30 pm
Tuesday-thursday-sat
cardio same
wrestling/BJJ
6:00 pm til 9:30 pm
cycle experience
none
pct/estrogen control knowledge
none
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)
ten pounds of muscle
strength gain

Current weight class, and your disired weight class.
145 featherweight
would like to stay there the cut is minimal for me now
but would not be against 155 lightweight
What level you are competing at? Pro? AM?
pro