best supplements for a fighter??

[BITTAPART2]

For a fight that we will be tested for, what would anyone reccomend to help with stamina and cardio besides EPO/blood dope or AAS. I was thinking amino acids for sure during training for recovery of course and have been drinking them but took the fight on short notice and havent fought in a sanctioned fight in over 5 years so cardio sucks. i have been able to hard spar 3 minute rounds up to 45 minutes but I am really dragging at the end and I usually lose my wind quicker when I ge to the fight b/c of nerves or whatever it is. but I havent boxed in 5 years so anyone think there is anything special to do in the last 4 weeks to better my cardio??

[energizer bunny]

For a fight that we will be tested for, what would anyone reccomend to help with stamina and cardio besides EPO/blood dope or AAS. I was thinking amino acids for sure during training for recovery of course and have been drinking them but took the fight on short notice and havent fought in a sanctioned fight in over 5 years so cardio sucks. i have been able to hard spar 3 minute rounds up to 45 minutes but I am really dragging at the end and I usually lose my wind quicker when I ge to the fight b/c of nerves or whatever it is. but I havent boxed in 5 years so anyone think there is anything special to do in the last 4 weeks to better my cardio??

You could use glutamine, will help ypu recover from your workouts quiker, multi vit, glucosimine for your joints. To be honest mate a dont think there realy is any supp to make your cardio better just good old regular training, eating and rest. What weight you fighting at mate??

[BITTAPART2]

fighting at 205, its boxing BTW not MMA. I fought bantamweight from 16 to 24 years old and decided to stop training and bulk up and got hooked in my mid 20's so I put on about 100lbs total from 137lbs when I was bantam, but I noticed speed wasnt affect only stamina so i said hell with it, not too many 205ers are bantamweight quick, but man muscle will ruin your cardio for boxing. woul blood doping be caught you think? its 4 weeks away so I figure i could draw now and be good in 4 weeks to inject

[BITTAPART2]

what we used to do was take about a liter of blood out a couple months before a big race. Then he would spin it in a centrifuge to rid the blood of plasma...what was left was pure red blood cells(packed cells). He would then drain the blood into blood bags, put preservative in it and put the whole nine yards in a frige at 33 degrees F. The day of the event we would infuse our own blood back. Each unit of packed cells(about 300cc) would increase our hematocrit about by 3

[BITTAPART2]

does this sound crazy? I read it on some cycling forum. I do have the means to do this with a very good friend of mine that is a medical examiner

[WARMachine]

.... Getting WAY too technical for me bro...

Ive been around COUNTLESS guys who fight mma, boxing, muay thai, jiu jitsu, grecco-roman wrestling etc... and never heard them blood doping...

Is it really that easy? And does it work that well?

Just curious?

[WDMF]

Glutamine and BCAAs.

Beta-Alaninine might be worth looking into.

[stpete]

what we used to do was take about a liter of blood out a couple months before a big race. Then he would spin it in a centrifuge to rid the blood of plasma...what was left was pure red blood cells(packed cells). He would then drain the blood into blood bags, put preservative in it and put the whole nine yards in a frige at 33 degrees F. The day of the event we would infuse our own blood back. Each unit of packed cells(about 300cc) would increase our hematocrit about by 3

And what's the purpose of this? Never heard of it.

[BITTAPART2]

I happen to know a few guys that take EPO preparing for fights, its definatly not unheard of. The blood doping thing works by increasing your RBC count signifigantly therfore giving you more endurance with the presence of added RBC's. Works just like EPO just a different method when EPO is unattainable. Cario sucks right now, I get a second wind and can go but my recovery time sucks, it is hard when you have to work all the time and also train like this because I know if I had more training time i could get my cardio up a lot quicker just doing road work in the Am and some circuts in the early afternoon.

[energizer bunny]

fighting at 205, its boxing BTW not MMA. I fought bantamweight from 16 to 24 years old and decided to stop training and bulk up and got hooked in my mid 20's so I put on about 100lbs total from 137lbs when I was bantam, but I noticed speed wasnt affect only stamina so i said hell with it, not too many 205ers are bantamweight quick, but man muscle will ruin your cardio for boxing. woul blood doping be caught you think? its 4 weeks away so I figure i could draw now and be good in 4 weeks to inject

Is it at amateur r pro level??

[BITTAPART2]

this guy is a pro, I have never fought professional fights before but was a regular golden gloves boxer for many years. I have been sparring with little guys and big guys but the big guy fought Vladimir K. he lost to him but held his own, hes got about 25lbs on me now. The fight is an organization that is sanctioned under the state athletic commision but not a internationaly reconized org. but again, Im fighting a pro

[CSAR]

You can alter your RBC count at home with an altitude tent. Cyclists, runners, triathletes, etc., do it all the time and it's legal. I think Floyd Landis even showed the one he built himself on the documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger.

[WARMachine]

This is true...^^^ but Bitta's fight is very soon... Probably not enough time for that...

[energizer bunny]

I was watching a training video of wanderlaie silva, and he was training with a snorkel on and his nose blocked, so he was just breathing through his mouth. And he is one of the most agressive and fitest fighters i have seen he never out gasses in a fight. the video is on youtube type in wanderlei silva training and go to new training style of WS

[energizer bunny]

Just had a look its called hypoxia training and it limits the supply of oxygen to your lungs. im sorry i dnt know how to put up the link.. anyone help me out??

[CSAR]

Hypoxics is fairly easy. There are different forms, but I'm intimately familiar with that of the swimming pool variety.

I don't know your swimming ability, but I'll assume you know how do a reasonable freestyle stroke. Some swimmers like to breathe in on the same side, while others (like myself) prefer to alternate sides. If you breathe in on the same side, then you will take a breath with even-numbered strokes. If you alternate the sides, then you will take a breath with odd-numbered strokes. Simply increase the number of strokes between breaths - that's hypoxics.

For example, because I alternate the sides I take a breath on, I would do the following:
100 m, 1 breath for every 3 strokes (I time my exhalations underwater to set a rhythm and allow me to take a full breath of air at the appropriate time)
100 m, 1 breath for every 5 strokes (same thing with the exhalations...just a little slower)
100 m, 1 breath for every 7 strokes
100 m, 1 breath for every 9 strokes
100 m, 1 breath for every 11 strokes and so on and so forth.

I work my way up until I can no longer increase the number of strokes between breaths. At that point, I'll increase my pace and decrease the number of strokes between breaths. I'll keep increasing my pace until I can no longer maintain the number of strokes between breaths and then drop down, continuing like this until I'm basically doing sprints at my original breath count.

Then I'll do sprint intervals, where I'll swim underwater for 25 m, come up & touch the side of the pool, then sprint back 25 m to my starting point. That's 1 set. I'll take 15 deep breaths and repeat as many times as I feel necessary without overtraining. As my aerobic capacity/efficiency increases, I'll take less deep breaths between sets.

I might also do the Davey Jones shuffle, where I hold some rubber coated weights in my hands and walk a certain number of steps along the bottom of the pool. When I can't take another step and get an inhalation reflex, then I'll surface, catch my breath and repeat. Again, as my aerobic capacity/efficiency increases, I'll take more steps and spend more time underwater between breaths.

These are just a few ways using swimming, there are a lot more.

[energizer bunny]

Hypoxics is fairly easy. There are different forms, but I'm intimately familiar with that of the swimming pool variety.

I don't know your swimming ability, but I'll assume you know how do a reasonable freestyle stroke. Some swimmers like to breathe in on the same side, while others (like myself) prefer to alternate sides. If you breathe in on the same side, then you will take a breath with even-numbered strokes. If you alternate the sides, then you will take a breath with odd-numbered strokes. Simply increase the number of strokes between breaths - that's hypoxics.

For example, because I alternate the sides I take a breath on, I would do the following:
100 m, 1 breath for every 3 strokes (I time my exhalations underwater to set a rhythm and allow me to take a full breath of air at the appropriate time)
100 m, 1 breath for every 5 strokes (same thing with the exhalations...just a little slower)
100 m, 1 breath for every 7 strokes
100 m, 1 breath for every 9 strokes
100 m, 1 breath for every 11 strokes and so on and so forth.

I work my way up until I can no longer increase the number of strokes between breaths. At that point, I'll increase my pace and decrease the number of strokes between breaths. I'll keep increasing my pace until I can no longer maintain the number of strokes between breaths and then drop down, continuing like this until I'm basically doing sprints at my original breath count.

Then I'll do sprint intervals, where I'll swim underwater for 25 m, come up & touch the side of the pool, then sprint back 25 m to my starting point. That's 1 set. I'll take 15 deep breaths and repeat as many times as I feel necessary without overtraining. As my aerobic capacity/efficiency increases, I'll take less deep breaths between sets.

I might also do the Davey Jones shuffle, where I hold some rubber coated weights in my hands and walk a certain number of steps along the bottom of the pool. When I can't take another step and get an inhalation reflex, then I'll surface, catch my breath and repeat. Again, as my aerobic capacity/efficiency increases, I'll take more steps and spend more time underwater between breaths.

These are just a few ways using swimming, there are a lot more.

Yes on the video i mentioned he also has to pick weights up from the floor of the pool, looks very dificult but i rekon it would be a great workout.

Are you training to Fight CSAR??

[WARMachine]

Its been used by fighters for many years bunny...

[CSAR]

Are you training to Fight CSAR??

Not just no, but HELL no. I'm studying BJJ and a little Muay Thai right now, but it's just for fun. I have zero interest in fighting, other than being a spectator and being in awe of you guys that do fight.

I did a lot of hypoxics before, during, and after BUD/S. It really works!