Randy Couture VS Brock Lesnar

**BritishColumbian** · 11-12-2008, 07:13 PM

Saturday nite, should be a good one, we will see...

Couture FTW...

**l2elapse** · 11-12-2008, 07:27 PM

Lesnar for the win

**lcstriker07** · 11-12-2008, 07:30 PM

Can't tell you how excited I am to see Randy fight again. Serious test for both of these fighters! Not a big fan of Lesnar because of his WWE antics he brought to the octogon against crazy horse, but it's hard not to pick him as an up and coming contender. If he does beat couture, there's no doubt in my mind he'll be submitted in the first against mir or big nog. No matter how hard he trains it would take years for him to compete at their BJJ levels.

**WARMachine** · 11-12-2008, 09:06 PM

First off guys we have a fighting section for a reason... There are two other threads like this there.

Secondly, Brock is douche. Mir's BJJ is overrated and will be pwned by Nog.

Either way, i see Big Nog the winner of this "tournament".

**rhino1** · 11-12-2008, 09:07 PM

Couture Wins HANDS DOWN

Brock Lesnar is a punk...he should have stayed in wwe and made millions....I can't believe that he thought he could be a professional football player just because he has muscles lol .....What a JOKE!

***JDMSilviaSpecR*** · 11-12-2008, 10:13 PM

Randy The Natural Couture is going to show Lesnar what a real fighter looks like come this Saturday.

**WDMF** · 11-12-2008, 10:48 PM

Very interesting matchup for Randy. I think Lesnar will eventually be too much for Randy.

**WARMachine** · 11-12-2008, 11:14 PM

^^^ Sadly my brain agrees with you...

Although, i think Randy can outstike him..

The word outta the Miletich camp is that Lesnar doesnt like getting hit... Timmy says he could KO him anytime. And that he is a *****...

Maybe if Randy can land strike and avoid being on the bottom of Brock, he can pull this out...

I dont think Randy will be able to out wrestle him... He can get him down, sure, but keeping him there will be the question.

I hate this match up...

But you know what guys, ive learned my lesson on picking agaisnt Randy Couture.

I didnt think he could beat Vitor, he did. TWICE!
I didnt think he could beat Randleman. He did.
I didnt think he could beat Pedro, he did. TWICE!
I didnt think he could beat Chuck. He did.
I didnt think he could beat Tito. He did.
I didnt think he could beat Tim Sylvia. He did.
I didnt think he could beat Gabriel Gonzaga. He did.

This time, im NOT picking against him.

I got Randy by Decision.

**Deltasaurus** · 11-13-2008, 12:09 AM

im taking randy as well and yeah Nog is Flippin NOG bro he is going to own MIR, now NOG AND COUTURE would be a better fight and a Rematch with Mir is more deserved Lesnar
Lesnar doesnt even deserve a title shot but thats another story

-AJ

Rand by Some Kind Of KO

**Brown Ninja** · 11-13-2008, 12:47 AM

Yes you should never count out Randy but I think if ever there were a time this might be it. He is not getting any younger and Lesnar is just a bull. Lesnar is so strong, on that ground, that I think he will at the very least neutralize the advantage that Randy has in subs. On the feet is where this fight will be interesting. Randy has a mean clinch but Lesnar is so damn big, I am curious to see if Randy can use the clinch to his advantage and score with the "dirty boxing". I honestly see this fight going the same way that the Ricco fight went. Randy landing well early on but getting worn down due to the sheer size of his opponent.

**Brown Ninja** · 11-13-2008, 12:48 AM

Is that true that Timmy said that WAR? If so that is very interesting. I have a hard time believing that Timmy could KO or handle Lesnar in anything outside of sparring but it still interesting to say the least. I think Lesnar is so powerful that he would rush Timmy and GNP his way to a win but I guess we will know a lot more Sunday morning. I can't wait!

**wrstlr69sdnl** · 11-13-2008, 02:56 PM

Its going to be good.Everytime randy gets in the ring he always haas a game plan. Just look at the fight with silvia he kept it standing and took a page out of chucks book with the over hand rights and lefts. He is going to change his style and jjust dominate lesner and shck the world again

**redz** · 11-13-2008, 02:58 PM

Lesnar via stopage maybe Randy will even tap out (not likely lol)

**yannick35** · 11-13-2008, 03:15 PM

Brock Lesnar Via F-5 in round 5, the rest of the card is solid too.

Looking forward for this PPV

**BITTAPART2** · 11-13-2008, 04:31 PM

this card sucks but I am still trying to earn some $$$$ on it, just dont ever gamble with Randy, I see him winning by strikes if he does, or a decision b/c of his strikes. Regardless the match up isnt great, Randy is nto a submission specialist my no means he can get someone down and try and keep them there from side control and hope to get a cross maybe and then bomb them down but I dont see him holding a guy like Lesnar down, escpecially from the mount, I dont think he stay on top of Lesnar, I see him faking a bunch of shoot attempts and throwing at Brocks left side as he leaves his big ass head there just to get clocked, Randy is a vry smart fighter and i think he knows what he needs to do here, I believe he will go with that strategy of faking takedowns and circling and swinging JMO. Lesnar is DEFINATLY going to try and do it in reverse and throw then shoot but with Coutures height Lesnar isnt really quick enough to shoot by surprise on someone like Randy, he will see it coming for sure,. OK maybe I just talked myself into money on Randy here lol

**redz** · 11-13-2008, 04:33 PM

this card sucks but I am still trying to earn some $$$$ on it, just dont ever gamble with Randy, I see him winning by strikes if he does, or a decision b/c of his strikes. Regardless the match up isnt great, Randy is nto a submission specialist my no means he can get someone down and try and keep them there from side control and hope to get a cross maybe and then bomb them down but I dont see him holding a guy like Lesnar down, escpecially from the mount, I dont think he stay on top of Lesnar, I see him faking a bunch of shoot attempts and throwing at Brocks left side as he leaves his big ass head there just to get clocked, Randy is a vry smart fighter and i think he knows what he needs to do here, I believe he will go with that strategy of faking takedowns and circling and swinging JMO. Lesnar is DEFINATLY going to try and do it in reverse and throw then shoot but with Coutures height Lesnar isnt really quick enough to shoot by surprise on someone like Randy, he will see it coming for sure,. OK maybe I just talked myself into money on Randy here lol

There is no way Randy holds Lesnar down. Lesnar also has suprisingly good stand up striking. I think Lesnar is going to walk through this fight and probably re-match Frank Mir early next yea rto unify the title.

**W.I.L.L** · 11-13-2008, 04:46 PM

I'm going with Lesner on this one. I haven't quite decided on how I "think" it will end, but the only way Randy is going to beat him is by submission.

**dameter21** · 11-13-2008, 06:14 PM

I'm taking Lesnar..everybody is saying he'll lose but thats what every one thought about Rashad evans and he had a sick knock out on chuck liddell.
shit randy could barely beat Tim Syilvia wwent to a decesion in the fifth. And Fedor killed sylvia in 38 seconds. Randy is old and on sat he will lose.

**WARMachine** · 11-13-2008, 07:44 PM

^^ What fight were you watching?

Randy won ALL five rounds?!

Fedor is not Randy. And Lesnar is NOT Fedor.

And there is no way in HELL you called Rashad over Chuck by knock out... No one thought that was gonna happen...

Is that true that Timmy said that WAR? If so that is very interesting. I have a hard time believing that Timmy could KO or handle Lesnar in anything outside of sparring but it still interesting to say the least. I think Lesnar is so powerful that he would rush Timmy and GNP his way to a win but I guess we will know a lot more Sunday morning. I can't wait!

Thats what ive heard... Miletich says so as well. He says Brock is afraid to be hit, and that Tim always got the better of the two while boxing. Of course that doesnt mean much. The word outta Team Punishment is that Tito always gets the better of Rampage. And when they both fought Chuckles, Page killed, and Tito didnt.

Not that i think it matters in this fight however, Tim is not fighting him.

I think Randy's best way to win is to land strikes early and often, and hopefully take Brock into the 4th and 5th rounds where he has never been before.

I mean, Randy has been in 5 Round wars many times, i dont think Brock has the gas tank for it...

If Brock doesnt win in the first 3 rds, Randys chances improve dramatically.

Like i said in my previous post, im done counting Randy Couture out.

**BTBAM** · 11-14-2008, 03:58 AM

Couture has this! I just don't think lesnar really knows who he is going to be fighting, just seems to show no respect to Couture.

**QuieTSToRM33** · 11-14-2008, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by dameter21

shit randy could barely beat Tim Syilvia wwent to a decesion in the fifth.

**dank1970** · 11-14-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

^^ What fight were you watching?

Randy won ALL five rounds?!

Fedor is not Randy. And Lesnar is NOT Fedor.

And there is no way in HELL you called Rashad over Chuck by knock out... No one thought that was gonna happen...

Thats what ive heard... Miletich says so as well. He says Brock is afraid to be hit, and that Tim always got the better of the two while boxing. Of course that doesnt mean much. The word outta Team Punishment is that Tito always gets the better of Rampage. And when they both fought Chuckles, Page killed, and Tito didnt.

Not that i think it matters in this fight however, Tim is not fighting him.

I think Randy's best way to win is to land strikes early and often, and hopefully take Brock into the 4th and 5th rounds where he has never been before.

I mean, Randy has been in 5 Round wars many times, i dont think Brock has the gas tank for it...

If Brock doesnt win in the first 3 rds, Randys chances improve dramatically.

Like i said in my previous post, im done counting Randy Couture out.

I agree, on the point of Lesner losing if it gets into the 4th or 5th rd. maybe even the 3rd. Randy has so much experience in this area and Lesner has none. Randy has a way of wearing down his apponent and finishing well. Lesner is huge but in a real drawn out battle that is not going to be an advantage. It takes alot of work on the part of the lungs and heart to perfuse 265+ muscle and after 15 to 25 min of dealing with Randy He will be gassed like a mf. If Lesner wins it will be due to a huge strike and Randy can be very evasive. I see Lesner wasting alot of energy with haymakers that dont find thier target and getting caught with Randys counterstrikes. Lesner better land a huge strike early or lay on top of him and make Randy work otherwise he will go down suckin wind like a dying man. Randy ftw.

**WARMachine** · 11-14-2008, 03:26 PM

I think that Brock will try to go straight to the ground and try to GnP his way to victory...

Thats his shot, i dont think he'll KO Randy, but he does throw bombs...

**wrstlr69sdnl** · 11-14-2008, 04:03 PM

Lesner shouldnt of gotten the fifgt in the first place he is only 2-1. comeon he hasnt even proved himself in my openion. Look how long it took other fighters to get a high profile fight!!! Dana just does alot the fighters wrong I think.

**Chode Logan** · 11-14-2008, 04:04 PM

I like Coutoure but I kind of want Lesnar to destroy him and stop the haters. I'm not a huge fan of Brock but the heavyweight division is so boring, we need a huge destructive mess like him to make it interesting, and Randy's pretty much done.

I like if Randy's gonna win it'll be due to either a blatent rookie mistake from Lesnar (a la the Mir fight) or if goes to round 4/5.

**Chode Logan** · 11-14-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by wrstlr69sdnl

Lesner shouldnt of gotten the fifgt in the first place he is only 2-1. comeon he hasnt even proved himself in my openion. Look how long it took other fighters to get a high profile fight!!! Dana just does alot the fighters wrong I think.

Agreed, but Dana likes money. And he's probably going to make A LOT more money off this fight then he would have if he put a different HW in there.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 11-14-2008, 04:21 PM

Its gonna be awesome. So many people are going to watch.

Brock wins stand up

but if it goes to the floor, Randy

**zimmy** · 11-14-2008, 05:16 PM

brock wins stand up?

**WARMachine** · 11-14-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Chode Logan

I like Coutoure but I kind of want Lesnar to destroy him and stop the haters. I'm not a huge fan of Brock but the heavyweight division is so boring, we need a huge destructive mess like him to make it interesting, and Randy's pretty much done.

I like if Randy's gonna win it'll be due to either a blatent rookie mistake from Lesnar (a la the Mir fight) or if goes to round 4/5.

No knoweldge of BJJ is a blantent rookie mistake?

**WARMachine** · 11-14-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

Its gonna be awesome. So many people are going to watch.

Brock wins stand up

but if it goes to the floor, Randy

Umm.... No... Actually the opposite would be true IMO.

We'll see tomorrow for sure, but IMO, Randy has the cleaner stand up.

**WARMachine** · 11-14-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by wrstlr69sdnl

Lesner shouldnt of gotten the fifgt in the first place he is only 2-1. comeon he hasnt even proved himself in my openion. Look how long it took other fighters to get a high profile fight!!! Dana just does alot the fighters wrong I think.

100% Agree, but we've already excepted that fact about Dana and the UFC.

Hes pissed off a number of fighters who have been fed up and left. Even some champions.

Jens, Murilo, BJ, Tito, even Randy.

Those guys are all ex-champs. At one time or another, they all left the UFC due to $ issues.

**yannick35** · 11-14-2008, 06:10 PM

Lesner is getting the fight for the same reason Kimbo got the fights in Elite XE, they want to rid on is back and make him the big out of this world attraction.

Lesner is big and impressive and if he can pull out a win against Randy he will have made is career.

Then again after he fights guys like Nog he will lose for sure.

**WARMachine** · 11-14-2008, 06:24 PM

I think he can beat Randy, and i think in a re-match with Mir he'd smash the hell outta that 1-dimensional POS.

But against Nog, Werdum (whos been released by the UFC), and GG, i dont think so...

**T.STEEL** · 11-14-2008, 11:20 PM

I think it might go into decision. Brock will keep taking him down but will not be able to do anything with randy for submission or ground and pound.

**Voice of Reason** · 11-15-2008, 12:26 AM

I see alot of scrambling by Randy to get out of Brock's takedowns and GnP while getting beat silly in the 1st, then more of the same in the 2nd with a ref stoppage.

**QuieTSToRM33** · 11-15-2008, 01:00 AM

I hope Randy puts him to sleep.

**Voice of Reason** · 11-15-2008, 02:58 AM

Nate Marquardt: Tough call. If it was just after Couture fought [Tim] Sylvia, Couture 80 percent. Now I say 60/40 Couture. Couture has the experience and skills to win. Lesnar has the size and power to win. Will Couture have the speed, strength and stamina considering his long layoff and age? Lesnar has one-punch KO power, and, with his college wrestling, has a decent chance of beating anyone in front of him. It’s a gamble, but I say Couture by decision.

Ricardo Liborio: Brock may be too strong, but I think Randy will be too experienced for him. Couture by submission [in the] third round.

Scott Bieri: Brain says, “Lesnar is physically too much for Couture … Lesnar by ground-and-pound in two or three.” Heart says, “Couture uses striking, counter wrestling and the cage to win a decision or TKO in four or five.” Sorry about the non-committal answer; usually not my style. Emotional connection with this one.

Chris Lytle: I see no way Randy can win. He’s too old, too small and [had] too long of a layoff. Lesnar is too massive, athletic and younger. That being said, I think Randy wins.

Stephen Quadros: This is potentially a really bad fight for Randy Couture and not just because of age or size. Lesnar is fired up, athletically the stronger of the two and possesses the combination of heavy hands and superior wrestling that has been a problem for “The Natural” in the past with big guys like Ricco Rodriguez and Josh Barnett. Lesnar has a strong chance of winning inside of three rounds if he puts Couture on his back, keeps him there and smashes away. But, if the fight goes past three, Couture will win.

Dave Mandel:/Sherdog.com

Randy Couture is clearly
the pros' pick for UFC 91.
Mac Danzig: I think Randy wins this fight with experience and overall ability. It seems like Lesnar’s best chance of winning is if he can hold someone [down] for three rounds like he did to [Heath] Herring. I don’t think he can do that to Randy. Plus, he has a giant penis tattooed on his chest, which can’t be helpful.

Shawn Tompkins: Randy Couture will win because he is Randy Couture.

Kevin Burns: Couture wins a decision by dominating the clinch. Lesnar will pose issues with his strength, but Randy will work around it and pound him out.

Rory Markham: I would love to [give a prediction], but I have no idea who takes this one.

Duke Roufus: Randy has heart, experience and abilities to strategize. Lesnar is a beast at heavyweight. Gonna be a great fight. [I’m] going with “Captain America.”

Rich Clementi: My brain says Lesnar, but if Randy can scramble a lot into the later rounds, I have Randy by KO.

Erik Paulson: I’ve worked with Brock for this fight, and I’m friends with Randy. I’m in Brock’s corner. I’ll pass on this one.

Mike Whitehead: Randy by TKO in the third. Brock won’t be able to keep up the pace Randy is going to set.

Guy Mezger: You just can’t bet against Randy.

Kultar Gill: Never count Randy out. Randy by experience.

Ulysses Gomez: I think Lesnar could take this fight. He’s younger, stronger and just a genetic freak. Randy is a smart fighter who always finds a way to prove me wrong when I bet against him. Looking at Randy’s losses against Josh Barnett and Ricco, once he was put on his back, it was hard for him to get out from that position, and that’s where he lost the fight. I think that Lesnar has the ability to put Randy on his back and keep him there. If he can do that, then I think Lesnar will win the fight.

Rick Roufus: Couture will press the action, push him against the fence [and] use dirty boxing. [If it] goes to the ground, Randy can handle himself. Couture wins.

Din Thomas: I think Randy’s got his hands full. Most fight fans don’t want to give Lesnar his props because they see him as a WWE guy. Not me. I see a college wrestling national champ, a big one, a really big one. I trained with a national champ in Ben Askren, and he played with me like Michael Jackson does an 8-year-old. But with Randy’s experience, he will prepare with the right people, and [it] will be easier for him to prepare for Lesnar than it would be for Lesnar to prepare for Randy. I’m just not sure it’ll be enough. I’m gonna go with Lesnar.

Cung Le: Randy by decision.

According to the pros, Lesnar's
inexperience will be his
downfall against Couture.

Marvin Eastman: Randy by submission [in the] fourth round.

Ron Frazier: I’m a little biased since I train Randy, but he will win.

Nick Thompson: Brock by being too big for Randy.

Johny Hendricks: I think Randy is one of the smartest fighters, and he has a plan. I think he will put it into action. But Brock is strong and one of the strongest Randy has faced, so if Randy can force his way in the first round, he will beat him. I think Randy wins [in the] third round.

Luigi Fioravanti: Randy will gas him out and get the decision.

Spencer Fisher: Lesnar. [He’s] too big.

Jens Pulver: Well, I am very excited to see Randy take on Goliath. All accounts would give Brock the edge just on size and wrestling. But, hey, it’s Randy, and he is unreal.

Frank Shamrock: Randy by TKO in four rounds. I love Randy.

Eric Pele: I think whoever gets top position wins. Being an old fart myself, I’ll be rooting for “The Natural.”

David Loiseau: Randy always finds a way to win. I don’t know how, but he will.

Eddy Millis: I got Couture. Randy wins by TKO in the second round.

Jason Lambert: Couture [via] TKO.

Chael Sonnen: I’ll bet 25 percent of Paulo [Filho]’s purse on “The Natural.”

Jake Shields: I think it will be a good fight in the beginning, but I think Randy has too much experience, and, after a round or two, it will show with Randy winning by TKO.

Leonard Garcia: I think Couture wins, because he always finds a way when everyone thinks he can’t.

Stephane Vigneault: I believe Brock has all the tools to beat Couture, and that’s what I think [is] gonna happen. Brock is so big, tall, strong -- and [he’s an] incredible wrestler -- but my heart is with Randy. You can’t bet against Randy because when we think he’s gonna get beat, he destroys his opponent. I think Brock Lesnar [will] beat Randy and become UFC heavyweight champion after four fights; [it’s] gonna be ridiculous and very bad for the sport. Pro wrestling fans [are] gonna think all pro wrestlers would beat real MMA fighters, but [the] UFC sees the [money] with Lesnar. Anyway, if that happens, I see [Antonio Rodrigo] “Minotauro” [Nogueira] or Fedor [Emelianenko] beating him and saving MMA’s reputation.

Jeff Monson: Lesnar by decision. [He’s] too strong, athletic and a bad match for Randy. Only way Randy wins is to survive and [try to see if] Lesnar gasses.

Zac George: Randy recovers an early F-5 to TKO Brock [in the] third.

Pete Sell: Couture all the way. Too much experience dealing with adversity. His technique and pressure will break Lesnar’s power down.

James Thompson: This is a really interesting match on so many levels. Randy, in the past, hasn’t done well against bigger guys and has also been inactive for a bit. But this is only Brock’s fourth fight. [When] all [is] said and done, I see Randy winning by surviving the early [rounds], tiring Brock out and finishing strong in the later rounds. I’ll go Randy [by] TKO [in] round five.

James Zikic: Randy’s experience, heart and conditioning will overcome the athleticism, size and power of Brock. I predict after a couple of rocky moments during the fight that Randy will find a way to secure a submission or TKO in the fourth round.

Cyrille Diabaté: Too many factors I’m not sure of to give an accurate opinion. If it’s Randy at his top we see against Brock, Randy should win, even though Brock is so big and powerful. Experience and skills are, most of the time, better than just size and power. But Randy has been away from the sport a long time, while Brock has been in there evolving as a fighter. Has Randy lost his game and fighting skills? That’s the question.

John Lober: Randy will need to land some hard punches to outwrestle Brock.

CB Dollaway: If the fight’s ended quick, I think it would be Lesnar that does it. If the fight goes to a decision, I gotta give it to Randy. Should be a great fight. Can’t wait to watch.

Jess Liaudin: Randy had a problem with bigger guys that can wrestle -- Josh and Ricco -- in the past. But both those guys were very well-rounded and conditioned MMA fighters and not just bigger fighters. Randy’s awkward punching skill and his great head movement make him a dangerous fighter to trade [with] for anybody, and I don’t see Lesnar catching him. Brock may get some takedowns, but “Captain America’s” scrambling and cardio will allow him to stand back up over and over again, which should tire Lesnar and give Randy the upper hand in the later rounds. Randy via TKO in round three.

The Final Tallies:

Pros who picked Couture: 28
Pros who picked Lesnar: 6
No pick: 10

**yannick35** · 11-15-2008, 01:31 PM

Guess we will find out tonight i just cant wait UFC getting better all the time YIPPIE

BG · 11-15-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by yannick35

Guess we will find out tonight i just cant wait UFC getting better all the time YIPPIE

I agree, even though some say Brock doesnt deserve a shot, this is going to be fun to watch !!!!!!!

**Panzerfaust** · 11-15-2008, 04:15 PM

Randy coming in at 220lbs tells me he is conditioned to grind it out for the full 25 minutes and wear Lesnar down.

If Lesnar does not win within the first 3rds....it's all Randy from there (depending on the direction of the fight).

I see Randy using footwork to avoid Lesnar's straight ahead shot..I can see Randy using some cage tactics against the fence long enough to get in some dirty boxing and disengaging to start the process all over again.

For some reason though, I feel Couture might Submit Lesnar. I know, call me crazy but for some reason it has crossed my mind.

Who knows really....

I certainly hope Lesnar gets his head knocked off his shoulders, bottom line is that he has never been punched in his life..he could crumble like Bob Sapp for all we know?

Nog is the real champ and will restore order and balance to the HW division regardless.