Boxing vs UFC ...

**MuscleScience** · 09-21-2009, 06:01 PM

The thing that turns me off to boxing more than anything is the 8 million undefeated champions among various organizations. I really enjoy watching boxing, I just cant handle there being 12 different undisputed heavy weight champs at one time. Secondly I cant stand the 30 plus weight classes. Seriously do we need a different weight class for every 3 lbs?

I think the beauty of the sport is the only selling point for me right now. I hope that one day boxing gets its collective stuff together.

**elpropiotorvic** · 09-21-2009, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

I think you can match anderson silva up with any boxer in the world that is the same weight as him and i think anderson will dominate.

they are differnt and i agree with what most people are saying. but it is boxing fans and people in boxing taking shots at MMA because there sport is getting swallowed and they feel threatened .Me personaly i cant watch anything but MMA anymore ,and thats comming from i guy who loved boxing but just got tired of all the bullshit ,like boxers fighting bums there whole life ,because they dont want to fight good boxers and risk looseing ,and not getting that big money ..boxing is not about the fans no more ,its all about money ,and even when i was following boxing ,i coudlnt even tell any one who was friggin champion theres got to be 50 boxing titles and weight classes it blows .....

Anderson is a good ..actually let me say...really good boxer, but not world class,

**icepick27** · 09-22-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by southmadejd

Another classic IcePick thread.....dude how can you make that comment about A. Silva dominating boxers when you only see him dominate other MMA fighters. I am not saying the guy isn't amazing but just because he is arrogant enough to call out Roy Jones doesn't mean he would dominate him.

i seen him box before did you??????what i wanted to type was that anderson will hold his own with anyone not dominate ,i meant to say that he woiuldnt get dominated

**rockinred** · 09-22-2009, 03:26 PM

Actually Anderson Silva has only 1 pro boxing match. You can google it or find it on youtube. It was nothing to get excited about from a boxing perspective. He stopped pursuing boxing after that...

He is impressive right now in MMA, but not so impressive in boxing. To say he could even last with Roy Jones is pretty silly imo. No guy with one pro boxing fight will ever last with a world champion boxer in the boxing ring. He would need to get a lot of experience before even thinking about fighting someone like Roy.

Once again this is a silly argument.

**elpropiotorvic** · 09-22-2009, 03:42 PM

^^^ agree ... Enough with people arguing whAt's better it's all bout what u like the most ...and it's two different disciplines cmon people

**danny_nufc** · 09-23-2009, 02:12 AM

Brock Lesnar makes a mockery of MMA imo ;-)

**icepick27** · 09-23-2009, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by danny_nufc

Brock Lesnar makes a mockery of MMA imo ;-)

why ??? can you go join the ufc and become the ufc champion in less then a year ??? or how about never go futher then highschool football and almost make the vikings ???????
the guy is a machine a pure athlete that didnt find his sport untill now ???? wether he is a asshole or not the guy is amazing .. people who sit behind a computer a take shots at some one like that drives me friggin nutz ...........

**danny_nufc** · 09-23-2009, 08:53 AM

oh my god pal, you need a humour pill. it was a joke you plank!!!

get a grip and realise nobody cares about your stupid anti-boxing vendetta

**elpropiotorvic** · 09-23-2009, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by icepick27

why ??? can you go join the ufc and become the ufc champion in less then a year ??? or how about never go futher then highschool football and almost make the vikings ???????
the guy is a machine a pure athlete that didnt find his sport untill now ???? wether he is a asshole or not the guy is amazing .. people who sit behind a computer a take shots at some one like that drives me friggin nutz ...........

Now I migh lt be wrong to say this but IMHO lesnar is not an athlete, I think he is just a genetically gifted person but not really great, an athlete I say GSP, Ali, Jordan, Tyson Gay, Mariusz Pudzianowski, usain is in my concept but given the fact that he is a lot taller than all his comp I'll leave it out of the topic, the guy is good at sports because he is one of those few guys that can be conditioned and big and powerful all at the same time, but an athlete is a concept that I would put other people in

**elpropiotorvic** · 09-23-2009, 09:37 AM

I just want to add that he is awesome

**ACJiujitsu** · 09-23-2009, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

Now I migh lt be wrong to say this but IMHO lesnar is not an athlete, I think he is just a genetically gifted person but not really great, an athlete I say GSP, Ali, Jordan, Tyson Gay, Mariusz Pudzianowski, usain is in my concept but given the fact that he is a lot taller than all his comp I'll leave it out of the topic, the guy is good at sports because he is one of those few guys that can be conditioned and big and powerful all at the same time, but an athlete is a concept that I would put other people in

Lesnar is absolutely an athlete. What makes Mariusz Pudzianowski an athlete,but not Brock Lesnar? I'll argue that any man that can be an NCAA wrestling champ,the last cut for an NFL team,and the current UFC champ is the epitome of an athlete. Oh and being a WWE wrestler is one of the most athletically demanding jobs in the world

**icepick27** · 09-23-2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by danny_nufc

oh my god pal, you need a humour pill. it was a joke you plank!!!

get a grip and realise nobody cares about your stupid anti-boxing vendetta

wow! what a dooshbag , i love boxing ,just got tired of all the bullshit when people like you open your mouth to say retarted shit you make a mockery of life ......... IMO

**icepick27** · 09-23-2009, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

Now I migh lt be wrong to say this but IMHO lesnar is not an athlete, I think he is just a genetically gifted person but not really great, an athlete I say GSP, Ali, Jordan, Tyson Gay, Mariusz Pudzianowski, usain is in my concept but given the fact that he is a lot taller than all his comp I'll leave it out of the topic, the guy is good at sports because he is one of those few guys that can be conditioned and big and powerful all at the same time, but an athlete is a concept that I would put other people in

Wait a minute brock lesnar is not a athlete and Mariusz Pudzianowski, is ????

come on bro .. i dont even have anything to really say about that ..this is crazy

**energizer bunny** · 09-23-2009, 01:25 PM

of course Brock Lesnar is an athlete........please define what you think an athlete is.??

**F4iGuy** · 09-23-2009, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by ACJiujitsu

Lesnar is absolutely an athlete. What makes Mariusz Pudzianowski an athlete,but not Brock Lesnar? I'll argue that any man that can be an NCAA wrestling champ,the last cut for an NFL team,and the current UFC champ is the epitome of an athlete. Oh and being a WWE wrestler is one of the most athletically demanding jobs in the world

**energizer bunny** · 09-23-2009, 01:28 PM

A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

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this is the definition of an athlete in the english dictionary........all of the people mentioned including Brock Lesnar fit into this......

**elpropiotorvic** · 09-23-2009, 01:37 PM

Man mariusz has absolutely crushed every contender or slight competition, he is the leanest strongest man in the world, I might have sounded like I took lesnar some of his skills but the man Has not been really great at anything he does xcept for the wretling but he didn't take it Olympic , try wwe takes a great deal of physical capacity but still,,, it takes a great deal of dedication and focus to be a great athlete in my op, and I think that is what he lacks I don't see him around after 2 years, he prob could have been NFL if he wanted
or Olympic wrestler but, he didn't vs all the others I have mentioned... If u remember foreman he punches like a truck but when he faced bigger oponents he failed cause his skills weren't quite there, all the people he crushed were quite smaller or with a lot less reach than him,
like I said in my opinion the guy is a genetically gifted perso, he is a really good performer in any sport he gets involved but is he really great?

**elpropiotorvic** · 09-23-2009, 01:39 PM

Actually yes the guy is an athlete ... Just Not great in myop

**icepick27** · 09-23-2009, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

Actually yes the guy is an athlete ... Just Not great in myop

are you smoking crack ??? no one even really knows who Mariusz Pudzianowski, is except if you are into lifting , what make him more of a athlete then lesnar?? lesnar would probaly be better then him at his own sport if lesnar was to focus just on lifting weights .. and i bet he will give him a run for his money even if he was to just walk on to his sport .DO you know why???? cause he is a ****ing athlete dummmy!!!!

**icepick27** · 09-23-2009, 02:34 PM

i cant understand why iam even defending that lesnar is a athlete .......this is soo dum

**elpropiotorvic** · 09-23-2009, 02:58 PM

like I said my bad the guy is an athlete
I just dont think he is great, u oughta respect that this is the way I think I am not arguing, if u think a different way, which is obvious u do that's fine by me rleax dude

**ACJiujitsu** · 09-23-2009, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by F4iGuy

**danny_nufc** · 09-24-2009, 04:31 AM

Icepick = Clown

**icepick27** · 09-24-2009, 07:22 AM

clown thats funny .... danny ufc .. i dont even know why your reading this post did you stumble on to it by accident ,while you were looking for the child porn , cause you dont have a friiggin clue about MMA or body building..

iam done talking to dummys .........

**icepick27** · 09-24-2009, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

like I said my bad the guy is an athlete
I just dont think he is great, u oughta respect that this is the way I think I am not arguing, if u think a different way, which is obvious u do that's fine by me rleax dude

my bad .. your right its your opinion ,i thought you ment he is not a athlete at all ...my bad

**roid_rage** · 09-24-2009, 02:41 PM

Brock can do a lot of things, but give a run to Marius for the WSM??? the guy is a 5 time WSM, I think theres been ppl who are actually much stronger than Lensar that have been trying to beat him for 5 years, and the result has always been the same...

**icepick27** · 09-24-2009, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by roid_rage

Brock can do a lot of things, but give a run to Marius for the WSM??? the guy is a 5 time WSM, I think theres been ppl who are actually much stronger than Lensar that have been trying to beat him for 5 years, and the result has always been the same...

brock is a athlete ,of course he is not better then Mariusz Pudzianowski,at his own sport but my point is that if he put all his focus on anything and definlitly weight lighting he wouldnt be that bad at it cause he is a athlete that was my point ..........

**icepick27** · 09-24-2009, 08:13 PM

o and brock would smash him in a fight to by the way ..... now Mariusz Pudzianowski, is trying to get into MMA lets see if he can walk through the heavyweight division and win the belt in less then a year

**roid_rage** · 09-28-2009, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

o and brock would smash him in a fight to by the way ..... now Mariusz Pudzianowski, is trying to get into MMA lets see if he can walk through the heavyweight division and win the belt in less then a year

well, in all fariness, I dont know how muc will marius weight after he gets off roids, he will lose a ton of muscles...

Also, to be able to win the belt in less than a year and with 4 fights is not enough with being good, you have to be giving the shot, and that's something no one not called brock lesnar is going to have. Dana gave him the title on a silver plate. The champ was Randy Couture, 60 pounds lighter, 45 years old man, with one year lay off who got the title from Tim Sylvia and reatained against GG. A whole lot of ppl would've done the same thing if they were giving the chance.

Im not trying to put down brock, the guy is a beast no doubt, but getting the title so early in his carrer shouldnt be one of the things that he should be proud of, since he did not fight his way up to get the title shot (not his fault either, anyone fighter in the world would've taken the oportunity he was given)

**ectomorph28** · 09-28-2009, 02:46 PM

What a stupid thread.

And MMA fans wonder why people think MMA has the dumbest fanbase in the world.

**ectomorph28** · 09-28-2009, 02:54 PM

Its also funny, how the TS refers to MMA as the UFC, fails to mention that Mayweather fought the #3 P4P fighter in boxing last week, the same man who had TWO ridiculously close fights with Pacquiao, the man many want Mayweather to fight. Not to mention, it was Mayweathers first fight back after almost 2 years.

And also, does the TS not realize that the UFC has put on some atrocious cards lately. Jardine/Rampage, Couture/Nog, Franklin/Belfort, Franklin/Henderson, Stevenson/Penn, Florian/Penn, Silva/Cote, Silva/Leites, Bisping/Evans and lets not even mention the UFN's.

There is no difference between the level of talent both sports put on their respective cards. Only difference is the level of marketing between both sports and the stupidity of MMA fans who believe that the 4-2 fighter vs the 6-2 fighter on the main card is somehow relevant.

**roid_rage** · 09-28-2009, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by ectomorph28

Its also funny, how the TS refers to MMA as the UFC, fails to mention that Mayweather fought the #3 P4P fighter in boxing last week, the same man who had TWO ridiculously close fights with Pacquiao, the man many want Mayweather to fight. Not to mention, it was Mayweathers first fight back after almost 2 years.

And also, does the TS not realize that the UFC has put on some atrocious cards lately. Jardine/Rampage, Couture/Nog, Franklin/Belfort, Franklin/Henderson, Stevenson/Penn, Florian/Penn, Silva/Cote, Silva/Leites, Bisping/Evans and lets not even mention the UFN's.

There is no difference between the level of talent both sports put on their respective cards. Only difference is the level of marketing between both sports and the stupidity of MMA fans who believe that the 4-2 fighter vs the 6-2 fighter on the main card is somehow relevant.

atrocius card??? Coture/Nog? Frankling/Belforte?? those werent atrocius... not even the Florian/Penn, though some were pretty shitty (thats why Im a PRIDE fan, not UFC)... and still those atrocius cards keept doing 500-900 K buys, Boxing has like 5 events, MMA has like 20 year around, summ up how many ppvs boxing sells around the year and how many MMA does.. that will give you an idea where boxing is place at this time.

**ectomorph28** · 09-28-2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

I think you can match anderson silva up with any boxer in the world that is the same weight as him and i think anderson will dominate.

they are differnt and i agree with what most people are saying. but it is boxing fans and people in boxing taking shots at MMA because there sport is getting swallowed and they feel threatened .Me personaly i cant watch anything but MMA anymore ,and thats comming from i guy who loved boxing but just got tired of all the bullshit ,like boxers fighting bums there whole life ,because they dont want to fight good boxers and risk looseing ,and not getting that big money ..boxing is not about the fans no more ,its all about money ,and even when i was following boxing ,i coudlnt even tell any one who was friggin champion theres got to be 50 boxing titles and weight classes it blows .....

I severely hope you are joking. Anderson Silva would get sparked by any good-elite boxer. He would have literally no chance against an elite boxer. Hell, hes 1-1 in boxing and he lost to some journeyman.

Is Anderson a good striker? Yes he is. But lets be honest here, hes outstriking Cote, Griffin, Leben, Franklin, Marquardt, Leites, Henderson, Lutter. Those arent exactly top strikers. Hell, there are only a handful of good strikers in MMA. And the guys I just mentioned are not in that handful.

**ectomorph28** · 09-28-2009, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by roid_rage

atrocius card??? Coture/Nog? Frankling/Belforte?? those werent atrocius... not even the Florian/Penn, though some were pretty shitty (thats why Im a PRIDE fan, not UFC)... and still those atrocius cards keept doing 500-900 K buys, Boxing has like 5 events, MMA has like 20 year around, summ up how many ppvs boxing sells around the year and how many MMA does.. that will give you an idea where boxing is place at this time.

Im talking in terms of relevancy. Nog/Couture was not a great fight. Nobody cared about it, thats why it only did 400k. It turned out to be a great fight but it was a fight between 2 fighters that really at that point in time were irrelevant in the HW division. Couture wont ever or should never get a title shot.

Franklin/Belfort was irrelevant. Who cares.

Florian didnt deserve a title shot, and it was a one-sided fight to begin with. If anybody thought it would be a close fight they need to start watching more MMA.

UFC is a private company. And they have been accused by many to fabricate their PPV numbers. Many believe UFC did 1m buys, if true thats about as much as Mayweathers tune up fight got LAST WEEK. The BIGGEST UFC CARD IN HISTORY got as much as Mayweathers tuneup fight. Nice job UFC.

Pacquiao/Hatton got close to a million and close to that in the UK.

Boxing has plenty of events, not many of them are on PPV. UFC on the otherhand has almost all their events on PPV. This year boxing has had 2 HBO PPV's both of them did a million or close to it.

And the best UFC PPV's featured a fighter the UFC didnt even develop. The WWE did. His name is Brock Lesnar.

You take away Lesnar from the UFC and all of a sudden, nobody in the UFC can do big, BIG numbers. NOBODY. And yet in boxing, there are a couple fighters that can pull close to a million and if they fight each other would get close to 2 million.

Lets not forget all the HBO cards they have like Marquez/Diaz that generated millions of viewers on free HBO. And we've already established the difference in popularity worldwide.

**roid_rage** · 09-28-2009, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by ectomorph28

I severely hope you are joking. Anderson Silva would get sparked by any good-elite boxer. He would have literally no chance against an elite boxer. Hell, hes 1-1 in boxing and he lost to some journeyman.

Is Anderson a good striker? Yes he is. But lets be honest here, hes outstriking Cote, Griffin, Leben, Franklin, Marquardt, Leites, Henderson, Lutter. Those arent exactly top strikers. Hell, there are only a handful of good strikers in MMA. And the guys I just mentioned are not in that handful.

As will get killed by any good boxer in a boxig match...not really much of a debate there.

**icepick27** · 09-29-2009, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by ectomorph28

Im talking in terms of relevancy. Nog/Couture was not a great fight. Nobody cared about it, thats why it only did 400k. It turned out to be a great fight but it was a fight between 2 fighters that really at that point in time were irrelevant in the HW division. Couture wont ever or should never get a title shot.

Franklin/Belfort was irrelevant. Who cares.

Florian didnt deserve a title shot, and it was a one-sided fight to begin with. If anybody thought it would be a close fight they need to start watching more MMA.

UFC is a private company. And they have been accused by many to fabricate their PPV numbers. Many believe UFC did 1m buys, if true thats about as much as Mayweathers tune up fight got LAST WEEK. The BIGGEST UFC CARD IN HISTORY got as much as Mayweathers tuneup fight. Nice job UFC.

Pacquiao/Hatton got close to a million and close to that in the UK.

Boxing has plenty of events, not many of them are on PPV. UFC on the otherhand has almost all their events on PPV. This year boxing has had 2 HBO PPV's both of them did a million or close to it.

And the best UFC PPV's featured a fighter the UFC didnt even develop. The WWE did. His name is Brock Lesnar.

You take away Lesnar from the UFC and all of a sudden, nobody in the UFC can do big, BIG numbers. NOBODY. And yet in boxing, there are a couple fighters that can pull close to a million and if they fight each other would get close to 2 million.

Lets not forget all the HBO cards they have like Marquez/Diaz that generated millions of viewers on free HBO. And we've already established the difference in popularity worldwide.

"there honestly hasnt been a great boxing match in over 10 years"

alot of good ones but no great ones 'serously why do you think no one wants to watch it no more ? besides the 100 title belts, the 200 weight divisions ,good boxers waiting to fight good boxers when there 60, o and no new talent ,just one guy that is better then everyone else
,its so water down dude who's the heavyweight champ ? i know you know but does any one else ??? joke , boxing is a joke anymore , less then 5 years and it done while mma sky rockets .....

**rockinred** · 09-29-2009, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by icepick27

"there honestly hasnt been a great boxing match in over 10 years"

alot of good ones but no great ones 'serously why do you think no one wants to watch it no more ? besides the 100 title belts, the 200 weight divisions ,good boxers waiting to fight good boxers when there 60, o and no new talent ,just one guy that is better then everyone else
,its so water down dude who's the heavyweight champ ? i know you know but does any one else ??? joke , boxing is a joke anymore , less then 5 years and it done while mma sky rockets .....

yea right... 5 yrs? Just cause you have more free time and you whore up in this forum pushing your ideas.... it doesn't mean you have any credibility to your statements.

**rockinred** · 09-29-2009, 07:35 AM

ice,

so boxing has died to you and you found a new love in mma... big freakin deal. It has not died for everyone and your all hell bent on making people believe it is a dead sport just because it is for you.

Just when you start making half decent comments you start making equally outlandish statements, such as; boxing will be dead, boxing hasn't had a good fight in 10 years, boxing training is inferior to mma training, I know about conditioning because I lift heavy weights and have a low bf%..that has all to do with diet and lifting, not conditioning for a fight. then you start pointing out proof that no one is wearing boxing sweatshirts like all the Tapout gear? That is another silly statement. Since when has anyone wore boxing gear like that? ONly the inner circle has throughout the years. This mma tapout stuff is a new rave and fashion statement with marketing strategy, not an indicator of survival.

Sure there are a lot of talent going the route of mma that might normally go to boxing so there is an impact, but throughout the years boxing has always had its ups and downs, highs and lows. Are you from Philly? Go to the inner ghetto streets... boxing is alive and heavy, helping many youths get out of life situations and strive for something different and better. It is like that everywhere and here in Albuquerque it is the same. I go to Jacksons also and I have my kids in PAL boxing league.... they have a fan base and support at both the mma and the boxing league. your points are moot imo.

Dude, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you come off as a know it all and that your opinion is the only that matters, because you know the best. Accept the fact that you have an opinion like all of us and that's it.

**roid_rage** · 09-29-2009, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by ectomorph28

Im talking in terms of relevancy. Nog/Couture was not a great fight. Nobody cared about it, thats why it only did 400k. It turned out to be a great fight but it was a fight between 2 fighters that really at that point in time were irrelevant in the HW division. Couture wont ever or should never get a title shot.

Franklin/Belfort was irrelevant. Who cares.

Florian didnt deserve a title shot, and it was a one-sided fight to begin with. If anybody thought it would be a close fight they need to start watching more MMA.

UFC is a private company. And they have been accused by many to fabricate their PPV numbers. Many believe UFC did 1m buys, if true thats about as much as Mayweathers tune up fight got LAST WEEK. The BIGGEST UFC CARD IN HISTORY got as much as Mayweathers tuneup fight. Nice job UFC.

Pacquiao/Hatton got close to a million and close to that in the UK.

Boxing has plenty of events, not many of them are on PPV. UFC on the otherhand has almost all their events on PPV. This year boxing has had 2 HBO PPV's both of them did a million or close to it.

And the best UFC PPV's featured a fighter the UFC didnt even develop. The WWE did. His name is Brock Lesnar.

You take away Lesnar from the UFC and all of a sudden, nobody in the UFC can do big, BIG numbers. NOBODY. And yet in boxing, there are a couple fighters that can pull close to a million and if they fight each other would get close to 2 million.

Lets not forget all the HBO cards they have like Marquez/Diaz that generated millions of viewers on free HBO. And we've already established the difference in popularity worldwide.

you are right, in terms of relevance Nog/Couture was totally irrelevant, still managed to do well over 400 k... How many boxing IRRELEVANT boxing cards do well over 400 k??? that IRRELEVANT CARD did 50% of the biggest boxing card of the year...

Franklin/Belfort, irrelevant, ok, but also did over 400 k, the same night of the biggest Boxing card of the year, still and IRRELEVANT card did the same night 50% of the second PPV boxing card of the year, damm MMA is so screw by boxing...(Now, I agree that was stupid from DW to set a weak card like 103 the same night than the MW card)

And were are you getting that UFC 100 did not do more than 1 million? from the comments of this boxing promotor (I dont remember the name, do remember his comments) While being true that the UFC doesnt have to disclose his numbers, saying that they did over 1.5 million buys, then going to declare that they did only 1 million, I think the IRS will have something to say about that little breach (Im not a lawyer, so I might be talking out of my ass here, nor american either so I have no idea of the US laws)

Lets nor forget about kimbo (kimbo freaking slice) sat 5 million ppl on CBS PRIME FREAKING TIME (when was the last time Boxing was at prime time for free on CBS?) lets not forget that UFN 14 did 4 million ppl ON SPIKE, lets not forget that UFC 100 replay did over 2 million ppl ON SPIKE, REPLAY! man comparing numbers of boxing and MMA in the US is really not a smart thing to do for a boxing fan.

**ectomorph28** · 09-29-2009, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by rockinred

ice,

so boxing has died to you and you found a new love in mma... big freakin deal. It has not died for everyone and your all hell bent on making people believe it is a dead sport just because it is for you.

Just when you start making half decent comments you start making equally outlandish statements, such as; boxing will be dead, boxing hasn't had a good fight in 10 years, boxing training is inferior to mma training, I know about conditioning because I lift heavy weights and have a low bf%..that has all to do with diet and lifting, not conditioning for a fight. then you start pointing out proof that no one is wearing boxing sweatshirts like all the Tapout gear? That is another silly statement. Since when has anyone wore boxing gear like that? ONly the inner circle has throughout the years. This mma tapout stuff is a new rave and fashion statement with marketing strategy, not an indicator of survival.

Sure there are a lot of talent going the route of mma that might normally go to boxing so there is an impact, but throughout the years boxing has always had its ups and downs, highs and lows. Are you from Philly? Go to the inner ghetto streets... boxing is alive and heavy, helping many youths get out of life situations and strive for something different and better. It is like that everywhere and here in Albuquerque it is the same. I go to Jacksons also and I have my kids in PAL boxing league.... they have a fan base and support at both the mma and the boxing league. your points are moot imo.

Dude, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you come off as a know it all and that your opinion is the only that matters, because you know the best. Accept the fact that you have an opinion like all of us and that's it.

HAHA great post.

I think its been well established that ice has no idea what hes talking about.