Boxing haters, hate on this.

[rockinred]

Who is going to hate on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zlaIl0yh0

[icepick27]

i dont get it ??? hate on what ? i loved young mike ..love

[rockinred]

Yea, maybe I am trying to stir some bs up and i don't need to do that..... just seems like boxers got no love or respect on this forum lately, so i had to throw some bad ass shit up... that has got to be one of the most impressive fighters of all time in his prime. I am talking MMA, boxing or whatever... no way these skills or training can be ridiculed.

[dangerous dan]

boxing is the best sport in the world in my eyes apart from football (english).

its so physicaly demanding, and technical, i dont no who could slate it.

Mike tyson was the best for me, in his prime id put him agaist anyone.....just a shame his prime didnt last.

[energizer bunny]

FUKEN AWSOME!!!!!!!!! makes me want to start boxing again LOL......some crazy speed..

[dangerous dan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d77BKMp8kF8

cant believe tyson lost this one, then buster lost his 1st fight defending the title

[yannick35]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d77BKMp8kF8

cant believe tyson lost this one, then buster lost his 1st fight defending the title

Tyson was out partying he said it after the fight, so sad he had so much potential.

[yannick35]

Who is going to hate on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zlaIl0yh0

That is impressive

[dangerous dan]

Tyson was out partying he said it after the fight, so sad he had so much potential.

ye tyson were an idiot, thats what let him down.

has he sorted himself out now?

[ACJiujitsu]

ye tyson were an idiot, thats what let him down.

has he sorted himself out now?

. His toddler daughter just died and he had been dealing with that. He has ballooned up in weight. Although i was never a Tson fan, he was by far the most dominant boxer of his time. I was always a Tyrell Biggs and Evander Holyfield fan myself. I remember when Biggs and Tyson fought,thats when i realized just how good tyson was. As for the Buster/Tyson fight, didnt he have the flu or some sort of sickness? Dont forget he really won that fight when he knocked Douglas out for almost a 20 count in the 8th or so. The Ref didnt start counting douglas out until 10-12 seconds after he hit the canvas. Douglas made it up around 8 seconds and came back and won.

[Knockout_Power]

Tyson was an animal, there is still nothing more violent than him ripping a left hook to the body. Set up almost every knockout if it didnt knockout them down.

[graeme87]

I don’t get the MMA fans that hate on boxing.

Dominant fighters like Vitor Belfort and Chuck Liddell made their careers by using there hands.

Even Andre Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, Anderson Silva, Rampage etc owe a large amount of their success to their boxing skills. And none of them have skills even close to that of a top level pro boxer.

The argument of boxing vs MMA is actually just like the question we often see in MAA, who will win wrestler or striker?

Look at Couture vs Liddell, in the first fight when Randy got Chuck to the ground he won, in the 2nd and 3rd fights where Chuck was able to keep his distance and box he won. The same in the Anderson Silva

If you put a boxer into MMA it’s no different that comparing an MMA striker to an MMA wrestler. Each has their strengths and the winner will be whoever can dictate where the fight takes places.

[ACJiujitsu]

Most hardcore MMA fans dont hate on boxing. Especially the ones who train. Now there are Boxers that are hated on like PBF,but for the most part its the TUF Noobs who hate on boxing

[icepick27]

boxing is the best sport in the world in my eyes apart from football (english).

its so physicaly demanding, and technical, i dont no who could slate it.

Mike tyson was the best for me, in his prime id put him agaist anyone.....just a shame his prime didnt last.

OK.. NOW FOR SOME TRUTH....MMA is way more physicaly demanding then boxing period David hayes who is the Light heavyweight champion of the world in boxing ,and he trains with wolf slair up in the uk and he said that " he can do 12 rounds of boxing standing on his head but cant do 3 rounds of MMA .

And as of tyson I love him he is my 2nd favorite of aLL time in boxing but he is not the best Alli would pepper him with his jab for 8 rounds then ko him but i think he would match up good with anyone else in his prime

[icepick27]

i don’t get the mma fans that hate on boxing.

Dominant fighters like vitor belfort and chuck liddell made their careers by using there hands.

Even andre arlovski, tim sylvia, anderson silva, rampage etc owe a large amount of their success to their boxing skills. And none of them have skills even close to that of a top level pro boxer.

The argument of boxing vs mma is actually just like the question we often see in maa, who will win wrestler or striker?

Look at couture vs liddell, in the first fight when randy got chuck to the ground he won, in the 2nd and 3rd fights where chuck was able to keep his distance and box he won. The same in the anderson silva

if you put a boxer into mma it’s no different that comparing an mma striker to an mma wrestler. Each has their strengths and the winner will be whoever can dictate where the fight takes places.

it is boxing fans that hate on mma because they think that there sport is going to get over ran .. You will never here mma fighter talk about boxing they all ways give it respect its jerkoffs like floyd and lou dibella that talk about mma ...for the record boxing was my first love but now its mma..mma is just way more exciting ,i watched 3 good mma fights in a row while 2 nobodys held each other in boxing last saturday both fights were on were i was at ... If and when floyd fights manny .. After that boxing is done there are no more big fights after that .. Iam shure people are going to type back this fight and that fight but the bottom line is even if there are good fights out there whitch there probaly is ,they either wont happen ,and if they do they wont draw the type of money floyd does ....boxing r.i.p

[elpropiotorvic]

Tyyson apparently fvcked 24 chics the night before ... It's rumored that Don king gave him a floor in. The Hotel and filled each room with a girl he banged

[rockinred]

it is boxing fans that hate on mma because they think that there sport is going to get over ran .. You will never here mma fighter talk about boxing they all ways give it respect its jerkoffs like floyd and lou dibella that talk about mma ...for the record boxing was my first love but now its mma..mma is just way more exciting ,i watched 3 good mma fights in a row while 2 nobodys held each other in boxing last saturday both fights were on were i was at ... If and when floyd fights manny .. After that boxing is done there are no more big fights after that .. Iam shure people are going to type back this fight and that fight but the bottom line is even if there are good fights out there whitch there probaly is ,they either wont happen ,and if they do they wont draw the type of money floyd does ....boxing r.i.p

Your crazy... you don't watch boxing... even if you didn't like PBF and Marquez match..there are plenty of raw exciting knockout matches all the time... extreme wars in the ring. You just decided to watch 1 main event and make your opinion off that. To say that no MMA fans dis boxing is silly too.... it is all over the place slinging shots from both sides. In the same paragraph that you said boxers are the only ones dissing, you started running your dis against boxing saying it is going out.

You say boxing was your first love...yea right, it never was.. if it was you wouldn't be knocking it. You would be the one with a more broad perspective of understanding both arts or all of them for that matter. Instead you proved your one of the one dimensional fans that never look into the sport past a main event.

Another thing that proves your ignorance is to state that boxing conditioning is weak compared to mma. That is probably one of the most absurd statements you can hear. You never even stepped into a boxing gym if that came out of your mouth. That is a fact. I was in the Army Rangers and at times I was pushed harder as a kid in the boxing gym... If that is you in your avy, you look like a pretty stout guy, but you don't seem to know one lick about other types of physical conditioning.

As far as the Ali vs Tyson, well it is your opinion and that's about it. That argument always goes on forever.

[icepick27]

1#wooo..... iam not a boxing fan??? i got more tapes on ali , and fighters from all era's from sugar ray robison ,jack dempsey,sunnys liston ,pernall, ernie shavers ,duran , lenard,herns ,hagler homes ,tyson lewis,and more i can name fighters pages long, to say i dont know and love boxing is crazy ..........................

#2 First of all i was saying a quote that david hayes said DO you know who he is? and boxing conditioning is no way near as hard as MMa

3# o and i dont know anything about physical conditioning??? thats crazy tooo , iam 5'11 200lbs 9%BF AND MAX 495LBS AND DO MMA CIRCUIT TRAING EVERY DAY ......AND BOXING ,WRESTLING

SO HOW THE FRIG DONT I KNOW WHAT IAM TALKING ABOUT ............. IMO BOXING IS DONE GET OVER IT .... YOU DIDNT HAVE A ANSWER FOR THE NEXT BIG FIGHT FOR BOXING AFTER FLOYD AND MANNY DID YA??? WHOS THE NEXT STAR??? I WILL GIVE YA THE ANSWER ,HE IS GOING TO BE IN THE UFC NOT BOXING PLAYA .....

[XD40]

I don’t get the MMA fans that hate on boxing.

Dominant fighters like Vitor Belfort and Chuck Liddell made their careers by using there hands.

Even Andre Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, Anderson Silva, Rampage etc owe a large amount of their success to their boxing skills. And none of them have skills even close to that of a top level pro boxer.

The argument of boxing vs MMA is actually just like the question we often see in MAA, who will win wrestler or striker?

Look at Couture vs Liddell, in the first fight when Randy got Chuck to the ground he won, in the 2nd and 3rd fights where Chuck was able to keep his distance and box he won. The same in the Anderson Silva

If you put a boxer into MMA it’s no different that comparing an MMA striker to an MMA wrestler. Each has their strengths and the winner will be whoever can dictate where the fight takes places.

You have the right idea but Tim Sylvia's Boxing skills? LOL....come on bro. His Reach...ya that helped him but to say his "boxing skills" nahh

[dangerous dan]

boxing kills other fighting sports. id say more tactical than mma

and i disagree i dont rekon ali would have gone 5 rounds with mike tyson. to powerful

[graeme87]

I think when David Hay made the remark about 3 rounds of MMA being harder than 12 of boxing he was just being humble.

I wouldn’t say there is any real difference in the conditioning for boxing or MMA.

12 * 3 = 36 for boxing (used to be 15 rounds)
5 * 5 = 25 for MMA (for a championship fight)

A boxing match can go longer than an MMA match but 5 min rounds are obviously harder than 3 mins.

And before someone jumps in and says but MMA has grappling as well as striking

1. some MMA fight are pretty much all stand up
2. grappling isn’t any more taxing than striking
3. there is a fair amount of grappling in boxing matches too especially in the heavyweights

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

what a gay video!

Chuck and Silvia can beat Tyson anyday!
boxing is sssssoooooooooo boring and stupid, what losers....

MMA MMA MMA!!!!! Yay! Now let me suck Silvias dick while he chokes me out!!






LOL...nice video.

[graeme87]

You have the right idea but Tim Sylvia's Boxing skills? LOL....come on bro. His Reach...ya that helped him but to say his "boxing skills" nahh

OK exclude Tim Sylvia from that statement, especially after the ray mercer fight lol

[icepick27]

O and i dont want to turn thuis into a fight either i think that you do have SOME good points

[graeme87]

boxing kills other fighting sports. id say more tactical than mma

and i disagree i dont rekon ali would have gone 5 rounds with mike tyson. to powerful

I wouldn’t say boxing kills any other fighting sport. The quality of stand up is better in boxing I’d say but not over all more technical especially since in MMA if your not the better boxer you can still win by wrestling or submission.

I agree with Tyson beating Ali though, my basis for believe Tyson would win is simple.

Look how closely match Ali Frazer were. Now tell me Tyson is not a big , stronger, faster version of Frazier with a great variety of punches and not just a left hook.

[dangerous dan]

I wouldn’t say boxing kills any other fighting sport. The quality of stand up is better in boxing I’d say but not over all more technical especially since in MMA if your not the better boxer you can still win by wrestling or submission.

I agree with Tyson beating Ali though, my basis for believe Tyson would win is simple.

Look how closely match Ali Frazer were. Now tell me Tyson is not a big , stronger, faster version of Frazier with a great variety of punches and not just a left hook.

yea i think tyson would be to strong and powerfull, he couldnt take the shots from tyson.

And thats wht i mean boxing i see as more technical because you have to pick your punches or youl lose simple as, mma is just two blokes rolling around graplin eachother i can never tell whos dominating in that thing

[icepick27]

I wouldn’t say boxing kills any other fighting sport. The quality of stand up is better in boxing I’d say but not over all more technical especially since in MMA if your not the better boxer you can still win by wrestling or submission.

I agree with Tyson beating Ali though, my basis for believe Tyson would win is simple.

Look how closely match Ali Frazer were. Now tell me Tyson is not a big , stronger, faster version of Frazier with a great variety of punches and not just a left hook.

yea but even in tysons prime he always had a problem with taller fighter with a good jab and alli 's jab is the best ever and he had the reach of lewis ,alli would win easy ...

[icepick27]

out of 160 threads in this section that is called boxing,mma,wrestling, there are only 8post about boxing and 2 are boxing vs ufc tpye posts and 2 are gatti dying posts , so that leaves 4 post out of 160 about boxing matches .boxing stopped giving a shit about the fans and the fans stopped giving a shit about boxing ...floyds almost done and so is the other 3 to 5 other stars boxing has left after that there will be no more .

[graeme87]

Tyson never had problems with taller fighters, in fact his trade mark is slipping jabs of taller fighters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NEel...eature=related

Also if you compare Tyson to Frazer they are the same height and Frazer has only 2 inches of reach on Tyson. If Frazier could get inside Ali’s jab so could Tyson and he punches much harder with both hands.

I recon Tyson would take it but can respect the point of view that Ali would win……but not easily.

I do agree with you that boxing is a mess with the lack of talent, ridiculous number of championship belts and way too many weight classes. MMA is taking over but boxing will never die. It will always draw a huge crowd and more new talent will come trough.

[ACJiujitsu]

2. grappling isn’t any more taxing than striking





Gotta disagree. Grappling is a little more taxing as your costantly locked in a struggle against anothers strength and body weight. Even when grapplers are stalled in guard there is still plenty of grip and hand fighting.

Ive boxed in the past with pro boxers like Frank Savannah and Sal Lopez, and i box during MMA class,so i do have insight. To Me Grappling is more taking physically and mentally. Thats why college/Olympic wrestlers are widely considered to be the most superior condiotioned athletes. Thats a fact, not something im just saying for the sake of argument

[muffin man]

Tyson in his prime was a complete animal. An amazingly powerful athlete. Therefore i would give him maybe a minute with a top level modern MMA fighter like St. Pierre, BJ Penn, Koshchek just to name a few.

He's a freak of nature and with even a few months of training i'd give him a little bit better odds but Tyson in his prime with just his physical attributes and boxing training would get tapped or Ko'ed quick.

[graeme87]

Tyson in his prime was a complete animal. An amazingly powerful athlete. Therefore i would give him maybe a minute with a top level modern MMA fighter like St. Pierre, BJ Penn, Koshchek just to name a few.

He's a freak of nature and with even a few months of training i'd give him a little bit better odds but Tyson in his prime with just his physical attributes and boxing training would get tapped or Ko'ed quick.

The subject wasn’t “How well would Mike Tyson have done in MMA?” and your comparing him to guys 3 weight division below where he would have been.

But to address you point, I doubt there is anyone in MMA who could have KO’d Tyson (unless you’re taking ground and pound)

Sure he could have been submitted but getting close enough to take an elite striker down without being KO’d isn’t easy.

I think an elite boxer would go far in MMA. As I said before look at Chuck Liddell or Vitor Belfort, they made their careers with their hands and neither one of them even comes close to an elite pro boxer.

[ectomorph28]

OK.. NOW FOR SOME TRUTH....MMA is way more physicaly demanding then boxing period David hayes who is the Light heavyweight champion of the world in boxing ,and he trains with wolf slair up in the uk and he said that " he can do 12 rounds of boxing standing on his head but cant do 3 rounds of MMA .

And as of tyson I love him he is my 2nd favorite of aLL time in boxing but he is not the best Alli would pepper him with his jab for 8 rounds then ko him but i think he would match up good with anyone else in his prime

UGHHH, there are fighters who have varying opinions on which sport is more physically demanding. Both are quite demanding.

But lets put it this way, in boxing you really cant rest. In MMA, you can. You can deny it all you want but fighters have openings where they can rest.

Secondly, i've done boxing and I just recently got into some BJJ. Both are very demanding in different ways. Im sore after both workouts.

However, getting hit is not fun. It takes ALOT out of you. And I honestly cant imagine going 12 rounds with an elite boxer who can punch HARD, FAST and ACCURATELY. And not only that, you have no options but to stand and trade, you cant circle a gigantic octagon, you're in a ring, nowhere to go nor can you shoot for a leg, clinch up against the cage and stall.

That is why I personally feel boxing is physically more demanding than MMA. But everybody has their own opinion.

[Biohazard74]

boxing is the best sport in the world in my eyes apart from football (english).

its so physicaly demanding, and technical, i dont no who could slate it.

Mike tyson was the best for me, in his prime id put him agaist anyone.....just a shame his prime didnt last.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Tyson was my favorate boxer of all time and i even got depressed back in the day when i saw him going downhill. As far as the best sport? Like i said. Everyone has their opinion. As far as physically demanding? Well i say yes it is. More than MMA? NO. More technical than any sport? I dont know about that . But thats your opinion. I say MMA is. Yes its 2 different sports & i agree with that also. But i think its alot more technical and demanding when you are trying to figure out your opponent in an MMA match when you dont know whats coming at you. A kick, punch, takedown attempt etc etc. I respect your opinion but i will have to totally disagree.

[elpropiotorvic]

Actually I would disagree ^^^^ in boxing u know a punch is coming but how is it coming what are they working on to get that punch in... But also depends on the quality of the fighter people like fedor or Anderson u can expect them to want to hit u but they will also. Do great job at takingnit to the ground and submitting or pounding, but I dunno man Im not that great of a grappler however I have taken down heavyweights college champions of wrestling (nottalking singular) with some boxing, as long as they don't catch me I'm fine doing my thing ...but I love both they both have different crowds ... U gotta be a fan of the sport and not the accion to like both sports ... If u only like action then yes mma has more of that to offer...but a boxing match j gotta like the sport to watch it ..people I say we stop arguing about whAt is the best they both rule....
And myke Tyson is by far the most gifted fighter there has been on earth so far IMO ... When he was under d'amatto he was using his jab well and doing his thing ... As for the ali vs Tyson fight... Tyson would win the post-jail but not the pre1964 Mohammed hell no .. No way...

[TRT,MAN]

thats when teddy atlas and cus was trainning him. he was great back then but those days are long gone. and so is boxxing if its not careful.

[icepick27]

Tyson never had problems with taller fighters, in fact his trade mark is slipping jabs of taller fighters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NEel...eature=related

Also if you compare Tyson to Frazer they are the same height and Frazer has only 2 inches of reach on Tyson. If Frazier could get inside Ali’s jab so could Tyson and he punches much harder with both hands.

I recon Tyson would take it but can respect the point of view that Ali would win……but not easily.

I do agree with you that boxing is a mess with the lack of talent, ridiculous number of championship belts and way too many weight classes. MMA is taking over but boxing will never die. It will always draw a huge crowd and more new talent will come trough.

buster ????? lewis ??? and even razor ruddick fusterated him a little bit before he got his head knocked off all tall fighters with a good jab ,and alli has the same reach as lewis who is 6'6 85'' reach and and the best jab ever alli was the best period .to be the best you have to beat the best floyd patterson twice , sunny liston twice frazier,twice forman in his prime ken nortan twice spinks ,did i miss anyone ..that is the best heavyweights of all time just missing a few guys and you have a top 10 of all time ...come on alli was a master planner too he would figure tyson out in a heart beat , tyson would look good for about 6 then after he figure he cant ko him and cant get past his jab he will quit... one thing about tyson is he quits when he starts loosing he is and always was a head case .. when he was a young he would cry before fights cause he was scared tyson is ,and wil always be a what if fighter ...

but we are definlitly on the same page with the mma ..definlitly harder more conditioning

[elpropiotorvic]

I still think... Ali 1963 wins.... Alipost 69 looses

[Biohazard74]

I dunno but i think Tyson would of been undefeated before he started going downhill. I mean undefeated as noone ever in history could of beat him. If Lenox , Buster etc etc would of met Tyson before all his troubles started i believe the outcome of those fights would of been totally different. Hollyfield is in close 2nd to me followed by Ali. Hollyfield because you have to give it to a man that fought in 3 i believe different weight classes all going bigger & bigger. Just my $.02

[icepick27]

I dunno but i think Tyson would of been undefeated before he started going downhill. I mean undefeated as noone ever in history could of beat him. If Lenox , Buster etc etc would of met Tyson before all his troubles started i believe the outcome of those fights would of been totally different. Hollyfield is in close 2nd to me followed by Ali. Hollyfield because you have to give it to a man that fought in 3 i believe different weight classes all going bigger & bigger. Just my $.02

buster beat him in his prime bro