Fedor

[quarry206]

if you are going to debate, keep it strait without sh*t talking.

I just really wonder why people on this forum give Fedor no respect. not only has he fought top level fighters and has never be beat. He while in Pride and Affliction took on UFC champs, number 1 contenders and everything.he has also fought in single night tournaments, something UFC doesn't do.


I realize he is a rookie to the cage, and the cage has stuff a ring doesn't, but a ring has things a cage doesn't.

why is it that fighters, writers, promoters all say he is the best HW. even people that say he needs to come to the UFC to keep up with the new talent say he is the best, and the best need to fight the best.

he has fought open weights, 300+pounds, 7 foot tall, strikers, BJJ, kick boxers, Sambo, wrestling. and some of the best in each category.


Fedor career notes....
notable wins...
Ricardo Arona, Renato Sobral, Semmy Schilt, Heath Herring, Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, Kazuyuki Fujita, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Tsuyoshi Kohsaka, Mirko Filipović, Mark Hunt, Matt Lindland, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski, and Brett Rogers.

MMA 31-1-1
-the one loss coming in the second round of a one night tournament because a cut 17seconds into the fight. not from a loss, the loss was only awarded because the other fight was the only one able to keep going in the tournament. the loss was to Tsuyoshi Kohsaka which he fought again and won

-the one no contest was also during a tournament. the no contest was to Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, which he has beaten twice.

Champion July 19, 2008 - present WAMMA World Heavyweight Championship Heavyweight
Champion March 16, 2003 - c. March 2007 Pride World Heavyweight Championship Heavyweight
Winner 2004 Pride Grand Prix Tournament Heavyweight
Winner 2002 Rings Absolute Class Tournament Open Weight
Winner 2001 Rings Heavyweight Class Tournament Heavyweight


Rankings. . .
Emelianenko has been universally considered the best heavyweight fighter in the world for the last seven years by major publications, including ESPN, Sherdog, Full Contact Fighter, MMA Weekly, and Nokaut.

#1 Heavyweight MMANews
#2 pound-for-pound MMANews
#1 Heavyweight Sherdog.com
#3 Pound-for-pound Sherdog.com
#1 Heavyweight MMAWeekly.com
#3 Pound for pound MMAWeekly.com



Sambo career
Winner 2009 Russian Combat Sambo Championship
3rd 2008 World Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 2008 Russian Combat Sambo Championship
Winner 2007 World Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 2007 Russian Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 2006 Russian Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 2005 World Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 2002 World Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 2002 World Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 2002 Russian Combat Sambo Championships
3rd 2000 Russian Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 1998 Russian Armed Forces Combat Sambo Championships
2nd 1998 Russian Armed Forces Combat Sambo Championships
3rd 1998 Russian Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 1997 European Combat Sambo Championships
Winner 1997 Russian Combat Sambo Championships



Now I do not think he is ungodly and will never lose, and I do think he needs to come to the UFC. once his contract with M-1 global is over I hope he does. since its M-1 Global that made him go to strikeforce not Fedor himself.

and Dana white can say what he wants, and run his big campaign saying Fedor isn't any good, but then why has he talked about bring him to the UFC so bad and offered more money to do it, and every time ratings are bad brings his name up in news meetings, he did the same shit with Kimbo, ran his mouth about him being garbage, then paid money to get him. . . . I do believe Fedor will come to UFC after his M-1 global contract is up.


My main point, is why with a record like this, a career like this, with everybody in the MMA world saying he is the best (except frank mir). why do people on this forum think they know so much better to go as far as to say he is garbage. who are the people on this forum to say a guy is garbage that has fought the best of the best for years, just because he is not fighting the best right at this moment in time..

[quarry206]

"anybody thinking about Fedor you better do your homework you better lift, you better train you better eat and sleep fedor until you fight him..leave girls alone, leave your wife alone move away from your kids"
Kevin Randleman
Former UFC heavy weight champ


"guy can beat pretty much anybody"
bas rutten
former UFC heavyweight champ

"from a technical view i see no real holes in his game."
Randy couture 5 time UFC champ

Jim Rome: Do you think you’re gonna get a shot at fighting Fedor?
Brock Lesnar: Ultimately someday I would hope, you know, but I want to, you know, I want to be able to get in the octagon and I think i got a lot to prove as a fighter, you know. Um.. I want to, I want to, you know, I want to get a few more fights in and i want to, you know, it’s just not, I’m not here hot shot anything you know as far as the fight business, this is a business for me first and foremost, this is how I make my living and then that’s how I look at it so we created a lot of controversy I guess post fight and you know, in some ways I look at this, was this a good uh, you know.. i have to look for the good in all of this and not retrospect and reflect on the bad. So ,utimately in the end, is there a fight? Would i accept the fight from Fedor? Absolutely.
Jim Rome: So you would want to fight him?
Brock Lesnar: I would, He is the top of the Division.

"Fedor took ground in pound to a whole new place in the sport"
Randy couture 5 time UFC champ

"He is in same category with the Wayne G, Micheal Jordan, john elway"
John McCarthy MMA Ref

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yybvdzSgUQ4

[ozy battler]

Fedor is the man... Love how humble he is. No bullshit hype!

[Kiki]

Fedor is the best HW, he has skill unrivaled by any other HW. I don't think he'll ever lose, but even if he did, he is still the most skilled HW out there.

[scotimus]

didnt we just debate this in another thread for a few weeks? lol

WAS the best. not any more. a true champion would want to seek out the best competition and destroy it to retain the status of best. the best heavy weight will be determined at UFC 116 when carwin and lesnar fight for the most competitive heavy weight belt.

[graeme87]

didnt we just debate this in another thread for a few weeks? lol

WAS the best. not any more. a true champion would want to seek out the best competition and destroy it to retain the status of best. the best heavy weight will be determined at UFC 116 when carwin and lesnar fight for the most competitive heavy weight belt.

Carwin and Lesnar are top contenders but they still have a lot to prove, Lesnar is 1 and 1 with Mir and Carwin has a win over him but Mir is not going down as a legend in the sport so its nothing to brag about.

Lesnar has a win over a 45 year old Couture who hadn't fought for over a year, again nothing to brag about especially sine Randy looked like he was implementing his game plan well and imo going to take over the later round untill he didn't quite slip that big right hand.

The winner of the Carwin vs Lesnar fight will have to beat Valasquez and Dos Santos to be dominant in the UFC and then there will still be questions about guys like Arlovski, Barnett and fedor to determine the over all best in all of MMA.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

didnt we just debate this in another thread for a few weeks? lol

WAS the best. not any more. a true champion would want to seek out the best competition and destroy it to retain the status of best. the best heavy weight will be determined at UFC 116 when carwin and lesnar fight for the most competitive heavy weight belt.

exactly... Fedor knows his legendary status would be no more once Lesnar got a hold of him. Or even Carwin...

[Knockout_Power]

I wouldnt need to see him beat everyone, but if he could just come over to the UFC and beat 1 or 2 of the following, I would not doubt his status...

Lesnar
Carwin
Mir
Dos Santos
Valasquez

The challenges have been laid out to him, so unless it just comes down to waiting for the ultimate payout for him to prove himself and then retire, I see no reason why this shouldnt happen. The longer he waits the worse the excuses will get should he lose... crap like "well, he isnt at the top of his game, "X" years go he would have beaten these guys"

[quarry206]

I wouldnt need to see him beat everyone, but if he could just come over to the UFC and beat 1 or 2 of the following, I would not doubt his status...

Lesnar
Carwin
Mir
Dos Santos
Valasquez

The challenges have been laid out to him, so unless it just comes down to waiting for the ultimate payout for him to prove himself and then retire, I see no reason why this shouldnt happen. The longer he waits the worse the excuses will get should he lose... crap like "well, he isnt at the top of his game, "X" years go he would have beaten these guys"

well though i believe in the big picture Fedor has beaten so many champs, greats and unbeatables, i don't think he has to "prove" himself.. i do think he could go 4 of 5 on that list, with no given names of who i think he would beat or lose to. .

i think in the long run when his contract with M-1 global is up he will come to the UFC. which might also be good for him, because he would have learned alittle about fighting in the cage. . . but i see him staying top three until the day he retires, may it be past his prime or not.

[quarry206]

exactly... Fedor knows his legendary status would be no more once Lesnar got a hold of him. Or even Carwin...

though i don't think fedor is unbeatable by any means, nobody is.... i honestly, and just in my opinion, no factual base for my believe. I think lesnar though talented is very one sided. the one thing that has let fedor stay unbeaten soo long is he can use and spot weakness;s. though i think lesnar will win alot, i think other fighters have a better chance against fedor than lesnar.

[newbie56]

Lesnar may be able to take him down, but Fedor is a beast from his back, and he is very very good at getting back to his feet. Nobody has hit Lesnar like Fedor would. I dont see too many HWs being able to touch Fedor for a couple years....

[Tambit24]

carwin will be the test of Brock's chin

[newbie56]

no arguement here

[D3m3nt3d]

Fedor is unstoppable, and until someone proves me wrong I will always think this.

I would love to see him enter the UFC, but to me a fight against Lesnar would be a joke.

[newbie56]

I think he beats Lesnar, but think Lesnar would give him more trouble then most heavyweights. I still think Fedor by KO by at the most round 2.

[AlphaGenetics]

I agree Fedor is the best but thats just my opinion. Anybody that has seen his pride fights and has any knowledge of mma would agree. Theres no doubt he needs to fight in the ufc to prove to the "haters" hes the best. I already know what would happen.

[newbie56]

Other then Lesnar, and very very arguably Carwin, there arent any heavyweights in the UFC that would be able to even make it remotely competitive.... I actually think Lesnar matches up better then Carwin for this particular fight but it would still be fairly one sided

Outside of the UFC other then maybe Barnett and Overeem there isnt anyone at all...and those two are even longer shots that Carwin and Lesnar. I think Fedor is easily the best pound for pound in the world...no weaknesses

[F4iGuy]

Does anybody even know if Fedor is human? He might be a machine... think about it. He shows no emotion, never loses, pin point accuracy, crazy power...

[BJJ]

I do not like him.

[scotimus]

Does anybody even know if Fedor is human? He might be a machine... think about it. He shows no emotion, never loses, pin point accuracy, crazy power...

have you ever seen the terminator movies? if he was a machine im sure they would make him look more like arnie than a balding, pot bellied russian

[icepick27]

Who cares what the guy did 10 years ago ?his last. 6 or 7 fights were against has beens , tomato cans ,side show freaks, guys 3 weight classes lighter then him ,and a former sams club bagger! And the fact that the guy only fights once every two years .to me inactivity is the same thing as loosing if your only fighting once a year and the only people your fighting are bums how can you still be at the top of any list?to be the best you got to beat the best ,that's that's the saying ,not to be the best you had to beat the best 10 years ago?fighters like gsp and anderson silva constantly fight the best fedor don't .he is a small heavyweight and even in his prime had a hard time with some bigger heavyweights .mma has changed fighters are bigger stronger ,and more skilled in every aspect of the sport then they were 10 years ago.the guys that are on top right now are way better then they guys that were on top back then .in my opininion he will loose to ..lesnar,carwin,cain,dosontos and mirr ,and I think that he will even have a hard time with some new guys too, like tod duffe.and I think that he should get in shapeand stop being a slob and drop down to 205 cause he is to small,I seen tito dwarf him one time in a interveiw how can he compete with guys like lesnar and carwin ?and I also think that he will loose to a few lightheavyweights also..machida,shogun,and anderson silva and maybe even more .

[icepick27]

It is friggin amazing how people still think he is the best .the sport has chnaged and the fighters got way better ,its like saying a NFL running back from 50 years ago is better then a current good running back ,even a average running back is better then the best running back ,back then .the players in any sport are just bigger faster and more skiller these days .mma has changed the fighters got better and fedor has more and way better compitition now then he eve had .just friggin let go of the past .fedor was the best of his time ,I won't doubt that at all .but not now .its not that he is getting any worse or aything ,its because every one else us getting better .

[D3m3nt3d]

I'm going to need to see proof of this. I do wish he would fight more though.

[J-Dogg]

I'm happy to explain why these things come into question......


Over the past 3-5 years, what has happened in the MMA industry?

3-5 years ago, who was:

The top of the

Heavy Weight Class
LW Class
Middle Weight class

How many of them are loosing fights? How many of them are still in the top ten? How many that were champs....are still?

I mean, honestly in this sport in 3-5 years the competitions has gotten A LOT stiffer. There have been a lot of rising stars.

The only person who has stayed at the top, is Fedor. Yet his most recent victories (tim/AA) are over fighters who are also just fighters from the top 3-5 years ago and Brett Rogers who's claim to fame is a KO of AA also.

It could be debated forever, cause it's speculation who is the best. But you can't deny the amount of new talent in such a fast growing sport. I'd really say the last time Fedor really fought a top 5 HW was probably in 2005 when he beat CC or possibly 2006 when he fought Hunt.

Since then it's been sub top 5 HWs:

Lindland
Choi
Timmy
AA
Rodgers

I don't think anyone could really rank those guys in the top 5 HWs at the time of their fighting Fedor.

[quarry206]

I totally agree that fedor needs to fight more, and would love to see him fight the new bread of 265lbers that have come out.. i think even true fedor fans want to see that.. people want to argue the fact alot of his stuff is 4-6 years old. well i for one and not denying he needs to come to the UFC , but lets not forget the UFC heavy weight class has only been good for at most 18months. and Dana white himself admitts to that.

so lets not run to say fedor is running from fights, when the UFC HW division has been building talent for a very short time, some of them just as un-proven as bret rogers.


remember this though
1. Fedor has held 5 MMA championships, and never lost them.
2. Fedor holds the best win streak in all MMA, 27.
3. Fedor has a finishing percentage of 82%.
4. No fighter has ever stopped Fedor in a fight. But 1 doctor has.
5. Fedor has defeated 5 different ufc HW champions, 7 times.
6. Fedor has 22 victories in the first round.
7. Out of those 22 fights, 12 wins under 2 minutes.
8. And 4 wins under 1 minute


and people keep calling fedor fat... well ya he has a high body fat percentage.. but he is about the only HW that runs 5miles daily.. and one of the only active fighters that are use to 10min rounds not 3... so i think stamina should not be in question, so lets not call him a lazy fat ass..

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

I dont see why people call him fat. he is far from fat, and you can tell by the way he is built that it is all functional muscle. The body fat he does have obviously helps him more than it hurts him, that is if it hurts him at all. I mean he could cut down to 205 and still not be ripped. He just doesnt have that type of body.







I dont see fat. I see a beast.

Oh yeah lets not forget. Which 2 of the below bodies won this match up?

[quarry206]

well the biggest thing is, why does BF% or muscle size or anything have to do with fighting????

the only reason most fighters cut down weight is so they can walk into the ring bigger than who they are fighting. .


and j-dogg, nobody is implying in a serious matter that Fedor can't be beat, nor that he won't... merely that it is way past crazy for people to say he would lose even in the 205 division. . or that him vs brock is a given win for brock.. Fedor is way too good of a fighter to just claim a victory for brock when everybody not from the UFC PR department has pointed out brock is very unproven and has not shown any striking ability.

[D3m3nt3d]

Brock is a damn joke. Athletic? Absolutely. But, not a proven fighter to me by no means.

[newbie56]

Bodyfat has very little to do with fighting. If your cardio is horrible, this is one thing. Certainly not the case with Fedor. Bodyfat of course plays a factor with cutting weight for lighter classes, but for a heavyweight? No

[J-Dogg]

well the biggest thing is, why does BF% or muscle size or anything have to do with fighting????

the only reason most fighters cut down weight is so they can walk into the ring bigger than who they are fighting. .


and j-dogg, nobody is implying in a serious matter that Fedor can't be beat, nor that he won't... merely that it is way past crazy for people to say he would lose even in the 205 division. . or that him vs brock is a given win for brock.. Fedor is way too good of a fighter to just claim a victory for brock when everybody not from the UFC PR department has pointed out brock is very unproven and has not shown any striking ability.

Honestly I think there is more talent in the 205 class, lol. Dropping to 205 would not help anyone really.

Fedor is a good fighter, but he really has not been tested against a top level HW in 5 years. 5 years ago, for 5 years, sure he was hands down the best fighter in the world. But the sport has come A LONG way since then.

You can't be called the best fighter in the world, if you are not fighting the best fighters out there.

[J-Dogg]

I agree Fedor is the best but thats just my opinion. Anybody that has seen his pride fights and has any knowledge of mma would agree. Theres no doubt he needs to fight in the ufc to prove to the "haters" hes the best. I already know what would happen.

I saw the Crocrop pride fights and the Wandy pride fights, along with the Fedor pride fights.

Because of that, I'm not convinced he's still as dominate.

[quarry206]

when it comes to the HW class, i think the big issue right now is so many different styles that its hard to say anybody is number 1 or even top ten to be honest. .

in the HW class right now, every 6months the top ten changes majorly. a month after brock won the HW title in UFC he was number 5 and randy number 6.. six months later nothing had changed and brock is number 2 and randy isn't even top ten... same time frame AA went from 3rd to 7th-10th. same with Nog. and within a year carwin went from nobody to somebody..... tim silva and AA were top three in the rankings when fedor fought them and those are within the past two years.

the truth is, Fedor might be the old style HW champ. . but until beatin his resume is still by far untouchable to anybody else in the top ten.. not to say he could run through the top ten with ease. but based on what they have or haven't done, Fedor is the only one that has been tested in ground, striking, kicking, submission, stamina,facing 300lb guys and even two 6'11'' guys. . . and his record speaks for how he did when tested.

So we all can agree once his contract with M-1 is over (two more fights) he needs to come to the UFC.. i don't think anybody can make a case better than fedor for who is number 1.

[icepick27]

Again people bring up what he has done 10 years ago. Nobody cares ,what has he done recently?he got his nose broke and got some nasty ground n pound ,from a sams club bagger ! And got DOMINATED ,by aloski,untill Arloski decided to jump in the air with his paper chin way up in th air ,and got knocked out.,what he don't in the past is great ,there's no denying that he was the p4p champ ten years ago.but the past is the past ,let it go ......and for the people talking shit on brock ,knock it off and stop being a bunch of haters .who the hell do you know that could just walk into the ufc (where the talent is)and dominate a friggin whole weight class? Huh? Brock is a beast and if he gets past carwin I don't see to many people beating brock ,fedor can't come in and dominate the 205 weight division ,how can he dominate the heavys

[quarry206]

Again people bring up what he has done 10 years ago. Nobody cares ,what has he done recently?he got his nose broke and got some nasty ground n pound ,from a sams club bagger ! And got DOMINATED ,by aloski,untill Arloski decided to jump in the air with his paper chin way up in th air ,and got knocked out.,what he don't in the past is great ,there's no denying that he was the p4p champ ten years ago.but the past is the past ,let it go ......and for the people talking shit on brock ,knock it off and stop being a bunch of haters .who the hell do you know that could just walk into the ufc (where the talent is)and dominate a friggin whole weight class? Huh? Brock is a beast and if he gets past carwin I don't see to many people beating brock ,fedor can't come in and dominate the 205 weight division ,how can he dominate the heavys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ZnI8WV6UM

he did not dominate fedor, my god get real... and arloski was ranked 3rd at the time and was doing well. . lets not act like Arloski was some nobody. . but yes i'll agree his kicks were pretty good. but a win, is a win..

last 15months fedor has two fighters ranked one 3rd at the time of the fight, another 7th or 8th (depending on list) at the time of fight.

no fedor fan on here does not say fedor needs to get away from his F-ed up management team, or that he is fighting at the same level he did 5 years ago.. but the fact still remains, he has fought more Champs, and greats in his career than anybody else.. and is still undefeated..

other than that, please get off brocks dick, icepick you are the most one sided lesnar fan there is .. brock is not dominating the HW division. . . why is it when people want to argue for brock they use herring and couture who haven't done anything in a long time.. but their attack on Fedor is he hasn't done anything in a while.. well you can't use the arguement for you without admitting to it when used against you.. . herring was 3-4 in the three years proir to fighting lesnar, couture (2-4 as a HW in the past 8yrs) was 45 and coming off an 18month lay off.. so please stop saying he is dominating, when he is 1-1 with mir and thats all. and his win over mir showed no talent only size......with more training brock could be great, but he needs to learn to strike and needs some BJJ or something. .

[J-Dogg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ZnI8WV6UM

he did not dominate fedor, my god get real... and arloski was ranked 3rd at the time and was doing well. . lets not act like Arloski was some nobody. . but yes i'll agree his kicks were pretty good. but a win, is a win..

last 15months fedor has two fighters ranked one 3rd at the time of the fight, another 7th or 8th (depending on list) at the time of fight.

no fedor fan on here does not say fedor needs to get away from his F-ed up management team, or that he is fighting at the same level he did 5 years ago.. but the fact still remains, he has fought more Champs, and greats in his career than anybody else.. and is still undefeated..

other than that, please get off brocks dick, icepick you are the most one sided lesnar fan there is .. brock is not dominating the HW division. . . why is it when people want to argue for brock they use herring and couture who haven't done anything in a long time.. but their attack on Fedor is he hasn't done anything in a while.. well you can't use the arguement for you without admitting to it when used against you.. . herring was 3-4 in the three years proir to fighting lesnar, couture (2-4 as a HW in the past 8yrs) was 45 and coming off an 18month lay off.. so please stop saying he is dominating, when he is 1-1 with mir and thats all. and his win over mir showed no talent only size......with more training brock could be great, but he needs to learn to strike and needs some BJJ or something. .

I honestly am happy you brought up the screwed HW class rankings actually.

If you look at the time line for Tim Syliva:

He was ranked SUB top 5 HW after Randy beat him.

**He beat Vera (A 205lber)
**He lost to Big Nog
**And then before fighting Fedor, was suddenly Rank 3???

Then For AA:

***He fell off the charts when he lost 2 in a row to Syliva
***He won his next 5 fights (Nelson/Rothwell/Jake Obrian/Werdum/Cruz)
***NONE of them were top 10 HWs, Werdum, maybe a honorable mention.
***Then is suddenly ranked #2 before he fights Fedor???

What about Josh Barnett now?:

**Lost his top 10 HW ranking after loosing to both Nog and CC
**Won his next 5 fights, none of which were top 10 HWs.
**Is set to fight Fedor, and is suddenly ranked #2 in the world
**Fails drug test, Fedor fight falls through....suddenly un-ranked again

Kind of funny how ever person who is next to fight Fedor, is suddenly number 2 in the world for a few weeks?

[quarry206]

Kind of funny how ever person who is next to fight Fedor, is suddenly number 2 in the world for a few weeks?

i'll agree, I think in some ways all the rankings are fixed for hype. i mean before any fight whoever it is all of a sudden jump three spots..

i think when you are a champ of any belt, writers push you up really high for ratings and hype.


i think the mir vs nog in 08 is a good example also of rankings jumped up, randy couture who i pointed out has a horrible heavy weight record over the past 8 years came off of a 18month break at age 45 and was suddenly top 5 when he went to fight brock. . . though I think he is actually talented, look at carwin going from top 25 to number 3 with only two wins to make that jump.


I have said on about every thread that MMA is Rock, Paper, Scissors. and who beats one can't beat another. and one persons struggling fight is another weaker fighters easy match.

my main reason for debating with people is that there is one or two people that give Fedor no respect, i mean flat out say he is garbage, and as icepick keeps putting in every thread that brock is the king, and brock has done nothing amazing or close.. and that to me is very crazy. . and though i agree Fedor needs to fight in MMA more, though he fights in Sambo and its not fair off from MMA, so its not like he is just laying around ducking people..

[J-Dogg]

There is a combination of people out there, Some thing he is god, some thing he use to be a god and is currently a bum.

I'm some where in between. He's a great fighter, and no one can take away what he's done and the amount of domination he has had in the sport.

I don't think he'd be as dominate today though, just because the caliber of athlete in MMA today is a MUCH higher grade than it was 5 years ago because of the sports recent popularity.

[robofish]

lesner has no ground at all... fedor does. watch his fights. fedor is a smart fighter.

[AlphaGenetics]

Fedor is coming to the ufc. Theres so much pressure on him to do so. Russians are very pridefull people and I think all the talk about him being a coward will eventually take its toll on his pride and he will sign with the ufc when his current contracts expire. Fedor knows he can destroy brock so he must be chomping at the bit to get a peice of that. What happens when a juijitsu and sambo champion goes against a wrestler? Brock dont even know what submission means. All he knows is, "Brock smash face." I think Carwin or dos santos will be the champion when fedor finally comes to the ufc though.