Do you think Cain can beat 6'8 330+ pound NFL players?

**bestial** · 10-11-2013, 10:30 PM

He is outsized by quite abit, can heavyweights like Cain or JDS beat any of the NFL players that weigh over 300 pounds? Id imagine they would get smashed on the football field but in a fight im not really sure. What do you think

**cgi** · 10-11-2013, 10:41 PM

I don't care how big they are. A guy like Cain will take em all out.

**Java Man** · 10-12-2013, 12:33 AM

I'd pay to watch cain take on a pro football team.

**Brett N** · 10-12-2013, 10:32 AM

Technique and ability will beat size every day of the week. No doubts about it. Now, if you take that 300+ pound NFL player and give him a year of serious training...he'd still get his ass kicked by Cain but it would be a much better fight.

Remember Brock Lesnar? Similar situation, his size helped him for a short while but once the fighters got passed the bullrush of the first 2 minutes - he was a joke.

**Cuz** · 10-12-2013, 10:33 AM

Sure he can, but eventually things would have to go the other way in the NFL's favor lol

BG · 10-12-2013, 03:59 PM

Who was that 170lb UFC fighter that KO'd the ex NFL player in front of the club because he hit a girl?

**DCI** · 10-12-2013, 04:03 PM

There must be a youtube of the above?

BG · 10-12-2013, 04:06 PM

Roger Huerta in Bloody Street Fight! -- Caught on Tape -- Ex-UFC Fighter - YouTube

Got it, theres a better one.

BG · 10-12-2013, 04:13 PM

Damn this is crazy.....MMA fighter Maiquel FalcÃ£o Knocked out in Gas station fight!! - YouTube

**DCI** · 10-12-2013, 05:15 PM

God dam booom

**cgi** · 10-13-2013, 04:10 AM

Btw here's an example of how it would play out except it would be way worse for the NFL player. Bob Sapp is 6'7 and 341 lbs. Here he is against Cro Cop who is 6'1 228 lbs.

**Brett N** · 10-13-2013, 05:52 AM

Would definitely be worse, that was just an exhibition fight with larger gloves and no grappling. Cro Cop was also a pretty small heavyweight when you consider the size of them now.

**bestial** · 10-22-2013, 03:13 PM

there were much bigger fighters than brock who never got as far as he did. So it wasnt really his size.

**DCI** · 10-22-2013, 03:19 PM

Classic cro crop bang into the head and goodnight lol did he injury you mans eye?

**mauler** · 10-25-2013, 04:35 AM

He sure can, doesn't matter about size its all technique in the cage

**Deathgrind** · 10-29-2013, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by DCI

Classic cro crop bang into the head and goodnight lol did he injury you mans eye?

That hit broke Bob Sapp's orbital bone

**Deathgrind** · 10-29-2013, 08:02 PM

Size does not really mean that much. People forget that Brock was an NCAA Champ and still could not match up to the high level of dudes in the UFC

**Beethoven** · 11-01-2013, 12:55 PM

Hey guys, remember Royce Gracie took out a lot of people back in the day, which almost all were physically bigger than him.

**Beethoven** · 11-01-2013, 12:58 PM

Keith Hackney took out Emanuel Yarborough who weighed about 600 or so pounds. Broke his hand in the process, hence now the gloves.

**powerlifterty16** · 11-04-2013, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by cgi

Btw here's an example of how it would play out except it would be way worse for the NFL player. Bob Sapp is 6'7 and 341 lbs. Here he is against Cro Cop who is 6'1 228 lbs.

lol what? bob sapp is about 6'4.5 and 320-340. He also has admitted to throwing fights for an easy paycheck! do some google research on him. he is the fighting equivalent to mike o hearn.

**powerlifterty16** · 11-04-2013, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by mauler

He sure can, doesn't matter about size its all technique in the cage

to an extent. cain is a big guy himself(6'1 250)..so yeah, with his technique he can take out nfl guys, but it's be hard for a small guy to do it.

emannuel yarbourough isnt a good example, because he is just a waste of space and can barely move. nfl players are fast.

**Rwy** · 11-04-2013, 11:49 AM

When I first started training BJJ they had 15 year old kids who I out weighed by 70 pounds roll with me at first. I had zero training at that point but they pretty much choked me out within seconds. The purpose was to teach me size means nothing.

**Honkey_Kong** · 11-05-2013, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Deathgrind

Size does not really mean that much. People forget that Brock was an NCAA Champ and still could not match up to the high level of dudes in the UFC

Brock was the UFC heavyweight champion AND he beat a living legend in Randy Couture. The reason why Brock couldn't keep going is due to diverticulitis.

**Honkey_Kong** · 11-05-2013, 09:37 AM

But yeah, if some guy from the NFL were to train to get in the octagon, you can bet they wouldn't be 300lbs by the time they got in the ring. That kind of size would slow them down a lot, ruin their mobility in the ring AND kill their endurance.

If being some overgrown hamhog was beneficial to the UFC heavyweights, every single one of them would be fat as fvck.

But yeah, using Bob Sapp as a measure of what would happen to a big guy in a UFC ring isn't really fair. Bob is slow and a quitter. But to be fair that fight against Cro Cop really fvcked him up. He was never the same after that.

**Deathgrind** · 11-06-2013, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

Brock was the UFC heavyweight champion AND he beat a living legend in Randy Couture. The reason why Brock couldn't keep going is due to diverticulitis.

True the reason he retired was due to diverticulitis, but I never heard him say the reason he lost his last 2 fights by TKO in the first round was due to this. I think he is a great fighter, I just don't think he would have gone down as one of the greats.

**corestorm** · 04-09-2015, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by bestial

He is outsized by quite abit, can heavyweights like Cain or JDS beat any of the NFL players that weigh over 300 pounds? Id imagine they would get smashed on the football field but in a fight im not really sure. What do you think

In a fight ? I'm not pro right now, i'm 31 and have not been active in boxing for a couple of years now, i've spent about 85% of my life training, those guys have around 100lbs on me, and they wouldn't last longer than i'd say 15 - 20 seconds in a ring, if i had gloves and they where bare knuckle with headgear on. they are not trained to fight, they are trained to coolaid a mother fkr.

That being said, the rock would kick the shit out of me, so who knows.

**KA24** · 04-09-2015, 10:27 PM

Easily. I'd love to see some NBA or NFL guys with formal training though.

**blake702** · 05-29-2015, 02:53 AM

Yes, he has the power to k.o. anyone in the world, and they won't have the same technique as him. Even if they were able to tackle him, I doubt they'd trained enough grappling to defend themselves from the jiu jitsu he's learned.

**infidel007** · 12-23-2015, 10:16 AM

Johnny Bones Jones, light heavyweight ufc champ might be able to answer this question best. BOTH of his brother are starting NFL players. Chandler Jones plays for New England where I'm from. Guys with absolutely freaky athleticism ,strength, and explosivness are very hard to deal with in the cage, regardless of technical skill. I speak from experience. That's the beauty of MMA. Anything can happen !

**MMA_Influenced** · 05-16-2016, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by bestial

He is outsized by quite abit, can heavyweights like Cain or JDS beat any of the NFL players that weigh over 300 pounds? Id imagine they would get smashed on the football field but in a fight im not really sure. What do you think

....Not shit he would are you serious? lol. Cain would destroy them acctually.. especially considering how good he is at wrestling.. remember Cain Velasquez was able to take down Brock Lesnar and Brock is about as athletic as any defensivelineman youll see in the NFL. His combine numbers alone were mind blowing.

But yeah.. you also have to remember that NFL guys are a lot of blubber too.. They pack on the pounds in the NFL and its not all muscle.

Cain Velasquez would easily destroy any NFL player.. yes. Hes one of the best fighters on the planet and just because you put some big athletic guy infront of him doesnt mean that he will lose.

Remember fighting especially MMA fighting is mostly about skill not physique or size. The top levels of MMA are this.. super athletic guys who are in peak condition and who have dedicated themselves to fighting and becoming better fighters. They are super skilled and sometimes the determining factor is who is in better shape? But its primarily about their skill. Reaction time, technique, timing, quickness, ability to take a punch..

Any NFL player would be knocked out within the first minute being as they havent been in the sport a day in their life. Remember Cain has been an amatuer wrestler his whole life and many people including myself say that wrestling is the most important aspect of MMA

**MMA_Influenced** · 05-16-2016, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Brett N

Technique and ability will beat size every day of the week. No doubts about it. Now, if you take that 300+ pound NFL player and give him a year of serious training...he'd still get his ass kicked by Cain but it would be a much better fight.

Remember Brock Lesnar? Similar situation, his size helped him for a short while but once the fighters got passed the bullrush of the first 2 minutes - he was a joke.

Yeah that is a totally unfair assessment comparing Brock Lesnar to just some random football player. #1 Brock Lesnar had some fighting experience against top HWs prior to that fight. #2 Brock Lesnar was an NCAA Div-1 National Champion wrestler okay?

Lets give the guy some credit.. you make Brock seem like some bum off the street.. he was a national champion wrestler who had been doing MMA for at least 3-4 years by the time he fought Cain. Plus he was dealing with Diverticulitis which was the bigger issue if you ask me.

Brock wasn't a joke. He just wasn't able to outwrestle Cain enough to control him. Remember Cain was a wrestler too. The reason Cain dominated was because he was way supperior on the feet. Brock Lesnar was always a very bad striker.. it was the biggest weakness in his game. If Brock could outwrestle you he would pound you into the ground.. and he probably could do it to almost every HW in the division including today.

**MMA_Influenced** · 05-16-2016, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by infidel007

Johnny Bones Jones, light heavyweight ufc champ might be able to answer this question best. BOTH of his brother are starting NFL players. Chandler Jones plays for New England where I'm from. Guys with absolutely freaky athleticism ,strength, and explosivness are very hard to deal with in the cage, regardless of technical skill. I speak from experience. That's the beauty of MMA. Anything can happen !

Honostly with 8 ounce gloves its possible anyone could be knocked out.. you could get a guy out of the crowd and if hes lucky and lands a good one on the chin he may knock you out. Thats not to say that an MMA fighter doesnt destroy an NFL player 99/100 or better because he definitely does.

Also, remember what happened Randy Couture vs James Toney... Tony was a world class boxer.. Couture was a world class wrestler. A few seconds into the fight and it was already curtains. Couture shoots for a low takedown (an ankle pick) and drops Toney on his ass.. eventually strangling him until he gives up. This is very similar to what you may see happen to a football player. Just because your big athletic and strong doesnt mean you wont get outwrestled. You absolutely will by supperior wrestlers. These guys are experts at wrestling.. NFL players are experts at football and believe me there is a difference.

**zejj** · 11-05-2016, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Brett N

Technique and ability will beat size every day of the week. No doubts about it. Now, if you take that 300+ pound NFL player and give him a year of serious training...he'd still get his ass kicked by Cain but it would be a much better fight.

Remember Brock Lesnar? Similar situation, his size helped him for a short while but once the fighters got passed the bullrush of the first 2 minutes - he was a joke.

Oh yeah I remember him... he only won the heavy weight championship.. what a joke