Lesnar & 'Bones' Jones both popped for clomiphene

**Beetlegeuse** · 07-21-2016, 01:45 PM

You might well already know this but they got Lesnar in an OOC 11 days before the Hunt fight at UFC 200, and again in the fight day test. Jones tested positive in an OOC for both clomiphene and Letrozole , same result from the B sample.

Does that sound to you like both of them probably were on PCT?

Jones is still trying to lay the blame on a contaminated supplement, but the supplement manufacturer (who also was [underline was] one of Jones' sponsors) already is calling bullshit on that and distancing themselves from Jones.

What I can't figure is how Lesnar got tested (OOC) five times in one week and only the fourth of them came back positive, for a drug with a 5-7 day half life. If you were a betting man, would you bet that Lesnar and Jones flubbed what had been a working method for avoiding detection (that is, they screwed up a perfectly good process) or that USADA is getting better at their job?

BG · 07-22-2016, 03:32 AM

Wow thats interesting what Brock failed for, I would love to know what they actually do. I agree, they probably screwed up what they were doing to cheat the test's.

**NACH3** · 07-23-2016, 06:15 AM

Or were they using Clomid to raise their natty levels - I very highly doubt it but...

**KINGKONG** · 07-23-2016, 07:27 AM

I have this strange feeling Brock is pushing a few grams min a week iam sure we're there is money to be made there's someone showing athletes how to beat the tests..I would guess at that level of competition almost everyone uses some sort of performance enhancer..

**Tlolec the toilet** · 07-23-2016, 07:41 AM

if you ain't cheatin' you ain't trying "By hook or by crook" take advantage where ever and whenever you can if you want to win. Winners get to write history.

**Scorpion0922** · 07-23-2016, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Tlolec

if you ain't cheatin' you ain't trying "By hook or by crook" take advantage where ever and whenever you can if you want to win. Winners get to write history.

Yup...and it's all about $$$$$$$$$$

Did I hear correctly, Brock "failed" for an AI showing up on his test?

**Ashop** · 07-23-2016, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Or were they using Clomid to raise their natty levels - I very highly doubt it but...

I don't like pointing fingers or making accusations but if I had to guess,,they both probably had used CLOMID as part of a PCT.

**Beetlegeuse** · 07-24-2016, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Scorpion0922

Yup...and it's all about $$$$$$$$$$

Did I hear correctly, Brock "failed" for an AI showing up on his test?

That was Jones. All they've announced for Brock so far was the SERM. They got Jones for a SERM and an AI.

**Beetlegeuse** · 07-28-2016, 06:00 PM

The UFC officially turned over all drug testing responsibilities to USADA on July 1st of last year. Here are USADA's 10-biggest "hits" so far:

https://youtu.be/J6FGWbPyiww

**Chicagotarsier** · 08-02-2016, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by KINGKONG

I have this strange feeling Brock is pushing a few grams min a week iam sure we're there is money to be made there's someone showing athletes how to beat the tests..I would guess at that level of competition almost everyone uses some sort of performance enhancer..

Just busted like 80 from the 2008 Olympics for blood doping...just figured out how to detect the method and retested the lot.

Why I am not a sports fan anymore. It was way better when don't ask don't tell was being ran. MLB is crap now. They got hurt the worst.

BG · 08-02-2016, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

MLB is crap now. They got hurt the worst.

They had a few good fights this year.......

**Beetlegeuse** · 08-18-2016, 03:25 PM

Dana White is making some really weird statements about Jones' positive, the upshot of which is he thinks 'Bones' is going to get off scot free.

It’s coming back now that it looks like he did not take the supplement that everybody thought he took. We’ll see how this thing plays out. I don’t even know if this is public. I don’t even know if I can talk about it. Normally, I’ll talk about anything, but when it comes to medical stuff, you can’t do it. But it’s looking like Jon Jones did not take the drug that everybody thought he took. It looks like it’s something else. I’ll let this thing play out and if that’s true and that’s what USADA and the Nevada State Athletic Commission say happened, it could look good for Jon Jones.

...[T]he substance that he was (alleged to be) on was a pill that you take when you’re coming down off of steroids, but this thing is apparently in other things. Jon took something else. Where he doesn’t come off clean is, you have to tell USADA everything you put in your body leading up to the fight – and he did not. Absolutely (every athlete is responsible for what they put in their body).

Source: MMA Junkie

All of which sounds like weasel words to me. And if he wasn't doping, why did he hide under the cage when he saw the USADA men coming, and then had to stay hidden down there all day, because they waited for him to appear until the gym closed for the day.

**ScotchGuard02** · 08-19-2016, 07:41 AM

Let 'em juice right up, I say. I want to see "Ultimate" in fighting. What can guys do then they push themselves to the absolute maximum? These guys are not stupid, they know that they're playing with fire and fire can burn. Don't ask, don't tell.

**Beetlegeuse** · 08-19-2016, 03:54 PM

The scuttlebutt today is that Bones will claim the source of his positives was the generic Cialis that he was taking. Pecker pills. Which falls under the heading of a defense that's so embarrassing, nobody would admit to it unless true.

But I doubt that will get him much leniency, if any, for three reasons.

1. Anderson 'the Spider' Silva made the same claim when he got busted for a PEDs cocktail in 2013. NSAC still suspended him as long as their rules allowed for that infraction, which was one year. And this goes before USADA, not NSAC, and they're way more hard-assed than NSAC is.

2. Making this claim also is an admission he deliberately was taking something that he wasn't aware of the contents of.

3. Making this claim also is an admission he was taking a prescription medication that he didn't notify either the UFC or USADA about.

I expect USADA still will hit him up for the full ride, two years.

**ghettoboyd** · 08-20-2016, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

Just busted like 80 from the 2008 Olympics for blood doping...just figured out how to detect the method and retested the lot.

Why I am not a sports fan anymore. It was way better when don't ask don't tell was being ran. MLB is crap now. They got hurt the worst.

steroids saved MLB and they know it the bunch of hypocritical fucks the game was dead until Sammy Sosa and Mark Maguire pulled the fans back and now they are bigger than ever...