Dry oats?

[Uconish]

i would like to include dry oats in my carb up but im alittle confused on how to properly do this.....Lets assume i begin carb loading on Wed because my show is on Sat. on the days i am carb loading i am still going to be drinking alot of water, because im going to cut my water on friday evening......SO, if i was to eat dry oats, am i not supposed to have any water with that meal, and maybe continue drinking water an hour or so after i got done eating something like dry oats and chicken? Or can i drink some water will eating the dry oats, until Friday evening, at which time i will try to eat them with no water, which really doesnt sound fun? I hope you understand my question, but if not, tell me what you dont understand and ill try to explain.......Im so confused about this, because wouldnt drinking water with dry oats kinda defeat the purpose, but then again if im eating 6 meals with oats, how am i supposed to drink a gallon and half, to two gallons of water? Thanks

[gio86]

I belive you can drink water with the dry oats...the reason why the dry oats i think or atleast for me it help you dry out a lil bit. although you still need the water until you cut it. so i would say dont worry about the water but dry oats are defently good for carb up. if im wrong someone please correct me.
-G

[spound]

i would like to include dry oats in my carb up but im alittle confused on how to properly do this.....Lets assume i begin carb loading on Wed because my show is on Sat. on the days i am carb loading i am still going to be drinking alot of water, because im going to cut my water on friday evening......SO, if i was to eat dry oats, am i not supposed to have any water with that meal, and maybe continue drinking water an hour or so after i got done eating something like dry oats and chicken? Or can i drink some water will eating the dry oats, until Friday evening, at which time i will try to eat them with no water, which really doesnt sound fun? I hope you understand my question, but if not, tell me what you dont understand and ill try to explain.......Im so confused about this, because wouldnt drinking water with dry oats kinda defeat the purpose, but then again if im eating 6 meals with oats, how am i supposed to drink a gallon and half, to two gallons of water? Thanks

Hey bro, I just got you PM, I'll try to answer the best that I can. First of all, what route are you going as far as carbing up? IE: when are you starting to carb up, what sources are you suing, when are you planning on cutting water, how many carbs etc...

As far as the "dry" oats thing goes, why do you want to use them? I am guessing you ahve heard that using "Dry" oats will help dry you out? IMO that is a complte myth. Take a step back and try to think logically about this (I KNow it's hard as you are probably carb depleted right now) but do you really think that a few oats are going to "soak" up any noticeable amount of water form under your skin? And even if this is theoretically possible, do you think that could really happen given the fact that once they hit you stomach they are going to be wet anyways, and how is water going to by pulled directly form your sub-q tissue DIRECTLY into your stomach to moisten the oats? It just doesnt make sense and is a complete myth in my opinion. And yes, if you were still to believe this method, then drinking water with the oats would definately defeat teh purpose LOL.

My suggestion as far as water goes would be to steadily increase water throughout the week starting on monday or tuesday. DO NOT cut water or decrease water more than a day before the show. Your water should eb at its highest on Thursday and then friday (you should decide a time in which to cut your water on friday) but up until then, you should be pounding water like its your job, I am talking 3-4 gallons or a liter per hour. THis will decrease yoru body's own natural anti-diuretic hormone therefore causing your body to expel it's own water at a faster rate (drying you out quicker) b/c you will be tricking your body into thinking it has a huge surplus of water, so it will want to get rid of it QUICKLY. YOu will then ABRUPTLY cut water sometime friday before the show...when you cut it is up to you. If you find that you body is getting rid of water quickly (based on your bedtime weight and morning, after taking a piss, weight). If you are removing water well and drying out, you can probably keep it in there till around 10 pm, if not, you may want to cut it closer to 4-5 pm friday. DOn't worry though, it will take your body at least 36 hrs to realize that its water supply is not constant anymore, in which case it will then raise yoru levels of anti-diuretic hormone. BUt don't worry, by this time the show will be long over...but this is what causes the "rebound" weight gain after a show...this hormone is very high after the show, and then you add a bunch of water into your body, and you body jsut wants to hold onto it, so you gain mad weight, but then your hormones equla back out and water is soon eplelled from the body again at a normal rate.

As far as yoru carb load method, I would do a shitload, I feel it is very affective and it gives you all the components you need when it comes to fiulling out the muscle properly (carbs/sugar, sodium, and water...the water will be pulled form under your skin to transport the previous two nutrients into the muscle). Some people will carb up with oats and potatoes for three days leading up to a show with tons of carbs and still nto fill out...why you might ask??? Because they don't have any damn sodium in there and they probalby didnt manipulate water correctly.

THe body can pull water from three different places:
1.) the organs....this will not happen, b/c it is a defense mechanism by the body to stay alive since you obviously need water in yoru organs for them to function properly.
2.) The muscle....won't happen again b/c of the priorities of the human bodies...its needs muscles to function and they can't function without water (cramping)
3.) Beneath the skin...this will eb the first place your body will look to get water from in order to "move" nutrients from the gut into it's needed location (the muscles)

The only thing that will **** up the above process is the improper use of diuretics.

Hope this helps to understand thigns a little better.

[gio86]

spound (your the man lol) thanx for clearing that myth up... and I was just tryting to help. so I will have to go and support you opinion on water...and so once again like spound said (POUND WATER LIKE IS YOUR JOB UNTIL FRIDAY WHEN YOU CUT IT OUT)

[Uconish]

Spound, first of all thank you for your quick response....As far as my carb up, well since this my first show, i was planning on doing Mike's carb up shit load plan.....The choices for my carb up would be oats, sweet potatoes, and rice cakes, because these are the carb sources i have been using throughout my entire diet, and dont want to throw something new in there.....My show is on Sat, and i believe prejudging is at noon. So, my plan was, depending on how i look and feel, i would begin carbing up on tues or wed immediately following my decarb workout, and i plan on doing it exactly as Mike has laid it out, because we both vompete at similiar weights....As far as the water, i plan on drinking as much as i can until friday evening, at which time i will cut it off.
As far as the dry oats, you make complete sense, and actually, the guy kinda helping me with my prep said the same thing, he does believe that it will make that big of a difference, and the inclusion of water with the meal will only negate the purpose.....So i guess i will be sticking to cooked oats, and sweet potatoes...
As far as shit load.....i plan on waking up aroun 5 am and eating things like pancakes, doughnuts, chips, candy, eggs, hash browns, english muffins, whatever i want for breakfast...In fact i cant wait, only 28 more days till i get to eat something good.
I have been including sodium in my diet throughout my prep, and dont plan on messing with it....And as far as diuretics, to be honest, i want to be lean enough so that i dont have to use it, but if it comes down to it, i have done my research and know what to do, at least i think? Spound, did you use a diuretic, if so which one and how much?

[spound]

As far as the dry oats, you make complete sense, and actually, the guy kinda helping me with my prep said the same thing, he does believe that it will make that big of a difference, and the inclusion of water with the meal will only negate the purpose.....So i guess i will be sticking to cooked oats, and sweet potatoes...
As far as shit load.....i plan on waking up aroun 5 am and eating things like pancakes, doughnuts, chips, candy, eggs, hash browns, english muffins, whatever i want for breakfast...In fact i cant wait, only 28 more days till i get to eat something good.
I have been including sodium in my diet throughout my prep, and dont plan on messing with it....And as far as diuretics, to be honest, i want to be lean enough so that i dont have to use it, but if it comes down to it, i have done my research and know what to do, at least i think? Spound, did you use a diuretic, if so which one and how much?

IMO tuesday is too early to start carbing up...you will be suprised at how quickly a proper shitload will fill you out. BUt if you are following MIke's plan, make sure you follow it to a "T" and do not deviate at all and if you ahve any questions ask him. I am jsut not real familiar with his whole plan. I have read it once, but it's been a while.

Your shitload foods look good, but make sure you throw some sodium in there as well. Get some salt on the egss and maybe some sausage in there with it. It is really fun and tastes great, but after the first thrity minutes you kidna feel shitty and are full and don't want to eat naymore LOL.

Yes, keep sodium the same. I wouldn't change it at all as long as you have kept it CONSTANT from here on. I say this b/c no matter how high your sodium is, as long as it is kept CONSTANT from day to day, you will not hold any water from it, but once you shitload you will inevitably take in more sodium causing you to fill out better.

When you say you want to be "lean enough" to where you don't have to use a diuretic, I want to make it clear to you that diuretics will nto make you "lean out" at all. THey will simply remove water from the body, so even if you aren't lean enough, but you manipulated yoru water and sodium properly you shouldn't need one anyways. Even if you do use one you have to be careful b/c they will often times make you end up looking worse b/c they will dry you out to the point where you go flat, feel like shit and lose all vascularity....which you don't want. TH eonly time I would use a diruetic is if I ****ed somethign up with my water and was holding too much or if I was jsut staying bloated for some unknown reason.

I did not use a diuretic for my show, but I did have some diazide on hand jsut in case I was going to need any. The only way I was going to take it was if I woke up on saturday morning and for wahtever reason looked softer than I did the previous day, which should not happen as long as your water is VERY high and you cut it the night before. YOu really have to get that water high on that last day though, I cannot stress it enough...I am talking 1 liter EVERY HOUR! GOod luck

[Uconish]

Spound, once again thanks.......Im taking what your saying into consideration......Look for my update pics to be up on Sun, as i will be 4 weeks out.....Peace

[spound]

Spound, once again thanks.......Im taking what your saying into consideration......Look for my update pics to be up on Sun, as i will be 4 weeks out.....Peace

Alright buddy, I am looking forward to seeing them. Keep truckin' bro and good luck!