Dry/hard final week

**Hephens** · 03-23-2014, 12:13 AM

Can any1 give me advice or good protocol to come in dry/hard on stage.

I was in my final week of prep. Comp was on a Sunday. I did 4day depletion of no carbs. High water about 3gallons/day Protien/fats only. I looked insane after day2 but starting to get flat they say if you look good don't change it. Than come day4 I was flat as. I carbloaded for 2days(fri/sat) water still high at 3gallons until night before comp than dropped it.I was using aldactone diuretic. But on the day I was very full but not dry. Should I have dropped the water slowly each day before comp instead of keeping it that high.

I found aldactone is weak or weak diuretic by itself. I need something to get the water out between skin/muscle. I had lasix on hand but didn't use them as it just drags and empties everything my carb load would of been a waste.

**Metalject** · 03-23-2014, 01:44 AM

Keeping water high like you did is usually a good idea. Drop it the night before prejuding around 6-7pm is usually good...however, some people need to cut back a little that same day, not most though. If you're using diuretics, you normally want to keep your water high until the last moment (night before) if you can.

Your problem, could be one of two things or both. You might try Dyazide next time. Aldactone alone is weak as you said. Second thing, your carb up could have been too much. A good rule of thumb that I've always found useful...before you dropped your carbs, use the daily average amount you were consuming as a basis to go by. Start carb up on Thur before a Sat show (or in your case Fri). On the first day, consume the amount of carbs you consumed per day before you dropped them, no more...maybe even slightly less. The next day, increase carbs by 25-50% depending on how you look.

All of that said about carb up, this would be a first time approach but a safe one. If it wasn't enough to fill out like you'd like you'll know for the next time. But the good news is you at least came in dry and hard...it doesn't matter how full you are if you're not dry and hard. A lot of guys have to learn this the hard way and unbelievably many don't learn it and continue to make the same mistake show after show.

Another useful thing...Anadrol the last 2-4wks. This should only be done if you're in shape, basically stage ready a few weeks before the show, you know how to manipulate your carbs and water and you know how to control water retention Anadrol can cause. 25mg per day the last 2wks is the best place to start. You may find you don't need quite as many carbs to fill out, which is good news as this'll make it easier to come in dry and hard.

**Hephens** · 03-23-2014, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

Keeping water high like you did is usually a good idea. Drop it the night before prejuding around 6-7pm is usually good...however, some people need to cut back a little that same day, not most though. If you're using diuretics, you normally want to keep your water high until the last moment (night before) if you can. Your problem, could be one of two things or both. You might try Dyazide next time. Aldactone alone is weak as you said. Second thing, your carb up could have been too much. A good rule of thumb that I've always found useful...before you dropped your carbs, use the daily average amount you were consuming as a basis to go by. Start carb up on Thur before a Sat show (or in your case Fri). On the first day, consume the amount of carbs you consumed per day before you dropped them, no more...maybe even slightly less. The next day, increase carbs by 25-50% depending on how you look. All of that said about carb up, this would be a first time approach but a safe one. If it wasn't enough to fill out like you'd like you'll know for the next time. But the good news is you at least came in dry and hard...it doesn't matter how full you are if you're not dry and hard. A lot of guys have to learn this the hard way and unbelievably many don't learn it and continue to make the same mistake show after show. Another useful thing...Anadrol the last 2-4wks. This should only be done if you're in shape, basically stage ready a few weeks before the show, you know how to manipulate your carbs and water and you know how to control water retention Anadrol can cause. 25mg per day the last 2wks is the best place to start. You may find you don't need quite as many carbs to fill out, which is good news as this'll make it easier to come in dry and hard.

Ok thankyou, I may need dyazide next time as I did a like 200g carb up straight away and filled me that morning I was flat to that night I filled out completely than did same carbs sat, I think when I did the carbs on sat, doing a 2day carb up wasn't good for me, maybe it led to me spilling. But I was told to have a lot of carbs on your first day of carving up as your muscles will pull more in.

**Metalject** · 03-23-2014, 03:25 AM

If you've been low carb and immediately jump into a lot of carbs, this can often lead to you looking smooth. A safer approach is to start with moderate amounts of carbs and work your way up as you need them. Sure, there are guys that can get away with tons of carbs right from the start and look great, but this doesn't seem to be most guys.

**Hephens** · 03-24-2014, 04:58 AM

What about lasix in combination with aldactone? I didn't take lasix because was too scared saw what it did to my friend, no pump, sweated all tan off and was flat.. technically u just waste your carb load as it pulls soo much from the muscle aswel... But I felt I really needed it how bloated I was

**Metalject** · 03-24-2014, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hephens

What about lasix in combination with aldactone? I didn't take lasix because was too scared saw what it did to my friend, no pump, sweated all tan off and was flat.. technically u just waste your carb load as it pulls soo much from the muscle aswel... But I felt I really needed it how bloated I was

One way you can get the benefit of lasix without as much damage is to take it with a potassium sparing diuretic. For example, 20mg lasix and 50mg aldactone...that's a good place to start.

As far as lasix making you look flat, if you're using it you might be able to get away with more carbs without spilling over...again, this makes Anadrol useful like I mentioned above as well.

**greekfreak** · 04-01-2014, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Metalject

One way you can get the benefit of lasix without as much damage is to take it with a potassium sparing diuretic. For example, 20mg lasix and 50mg aldactone...that's a good place to start.

As far as lasix making you look flat, if you're using it you might be able to get away with more carbs without spilling over...again, this makes Anadrol useful like I mentioned above as well.

just want to share my experience with Anadrol b4 a comp.. i was competing in a open class Masters category and being a middle weight standing next to heavyweights i ran with using the anadrol to get that pump and roundness u feel with anadrol and i used arimedex to take the water retention at bay.. alas in theory it was sound, on the day i was pumped hard and full but not cut or shredded as i am known 4 .. i took 4th...

**bodybuilder88** · 04-02-2014, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by greekfreak

just want to share my experience with Anadrol b4 a comp.. i was competing in a open class Masters category and being a middle weight standing next to heavyweights i ran with using the anadrol to get that pump and roundness u feel with anadrol and i used arimedex to take the water retention at bay.. alas in theory it was sound, on the day i was pumped hard and full but not cut or shredded as i am known 4 .. i took 4th...

Anadrol the last 6 weeks before a show is great! Keeps strength up and keeps you full. If you are worried about the "bloat" I'd look at your diet first off, I was dry as **** 2 weeks out still using anadrol and could of walked on stage with no water load/ cut or diuretic use. Second thing I would do is cut the anadrol out on the Tuesday before the show.

BG · 04-02-2014, 01:44 PM

Lots of posing.

**Metalject** · 04-02-2014, 03:12 PM

Anadrol can work great, and I do mean absolutely fantastic! But, if you're not quite in shape it can be a disaster and if you have water issues already and don't know how to control it with Anadrol you're dead meat and it's best to let it go.

**hankdiesel** · 04-02-2014, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder88

Anadrol the last 6 weeks before a show is great! Keeps strength up and keeps you full. If you are worried about the "bloat" I'd look at your diet first off, I was dry as **** 2 weeks out still using anadrol and could of walked on stage with no water load/ cut or diuretic use. Second thing I would do is cut the anadrol out on the Tuesday before the show.

Screw dropping it on Tuesday! I am with you when u say full and dry two weeks out. I've been running it now for 4.5 weeks and my show is Sat. My conditioning is at it's best ever and I'm holding virtually no water. I'm not even sweating in the tanning bed and I'm drinking close to 2 gallons a day. The anadrol is going no where! I'll keep the dose where it is 100-150mg a day and run it through Sat. The diet is the key. There is no big carb load or salt manipulation. I won't drink much Sat and that'll be it. Also, I'm taking 2.5mg letro a day which helps with bloat, tren and mast r the other compounds I'm running.

**Metalject** · 04-02-2014, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

Screw dropping it on Tuesday! I am with you when u say full and dry two weeks out. I've been running it now for 4.5 weeks and my show is Sat. My conditioning is at it's best ever and I'm holding virtually no water. I'm not even sweating in the tanning bed and I'm drinking close to 2 gallons a day. The anadrol is going no where! I'll keep the dose where it is 100-150mg a day and run it through Sat. The diet is the key. There is no big carb load or salt manipulation. I won't drink much Sat and that'll be it. Also, I'm taking 2.5mg letro a day which helps with bloat, tren and mast r the other compounds I'm running.

Sounds like you know what you're doing. Good luck this wkend!!!

**hankdiesel** · 04-03-2014, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

Sounds like you know what you're doing. Good luck this wkend!!!

thanks man, I'll post on here sunday with results

**Bert** · 04-30-2014, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

thanks man, I'll post on here sunday with results

How'd you do?

**gearbox** · 04-30-2014, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

thanks man, I'll post on here sunday with results

Good luck. Kill it.

**MIKE_XXL** · 06-11-2014, 03:26 PM

I hate aldactone, Dyazide is my preferred diuretic starting at 19 hours before the stage time, water drink it till 18 hours out as much as you can, Anadrol , i like for last week only, aromasin is my preferred anti-e, with letro for last 2 week, drop all oil based gear 2 weeks out, water based 5-7 days out orals can be ran all the way, GH drop 2 weeks out, my preferred method of carbing up is carb/fat load also know as shit loading, if times properly with water drop and diuretics it will help draw sub-q water out and fill you out like nothing else...good luck!

**Metalject** · 06-13-2014, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL

I hate aldactone, Dyazide is my preferred diuretic starting at 19 hours before the stage time, water drink it till 18 hours out as much as you can, Anadrol, i like for last week only, aromasin is my preferred anti-e, with letro for last 2 week, drop all oil based gear 2 weeks out, water based 5-7 days out orals can be ran all the way, GH drop 2 weeks out, my preferred method of carbing up is carb/fat load also know as shit loading, if times properly with water drop and diuretics it will help draw sub-q water out and fill you out like nothing else...good luck!

I'm not a huge fan of aldactone either, although I have used it in conjunction with Lasix and that worked fairly well. But I also prefer Dyazide.

Why do you say drop all oils 2wks out? Things like Tren and Masteron cannot cause you to hold water. And at times, IMO, it's good to keep testosterone in there...it just depends on how things are playing out.

As far as shit loading, sure that works for some but not most. I've lost count of how many guys do that and end up looking like crap despite being on point before they started it. And so what do they do? They some how believe or talk themselves into making up for it in the off-season...they believe some how that's going to change things and then they shit load again the next show and the same thing happens. Granted, again some can get away with it, and I'd go as far as to say some need it.

**MIKE_XXL** · 06-14-2014, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I'm not a huge fan of aldactone either, although I have used it in conjunction with Lasix and that worked fairly well. But I also prefer Dyazide.

Why do you say drop all oils 2wks out? Things like Tren and Masteron cannot cause you to hold water. And at times, IMO, it's good to keep testosterone in there...it just depends on how things are playing out.

As far as shit loading, sure that works for some but not most. I've lost count of how many guys do that and end up looking like crap despite being on point before they started it. And so what do they do? They some how believe or talk themselves into making up for it in the off-season...they believe some how that's going to change things and then they shit load again the next show and the same thing happens. Granted, again some can get away with it, and I'd go as far as to say some need it.

I still feel any oil based long ester has a tendency to hold water, also the potential of a bad shot in the last week or so and causing swelling in the sight injected can be detrimental to the physiques...so i prefer to cut all oils and long esters out, there are plenty of items that can still keep the physique hard that are oral and short ester as tren acetat, test susp, halo, winny etc...so why risk it...as for shit loading, well i use that technique a lot, but lets redefine it, it is a controlled shit load, it has aspects of regular carb up combined with shit load at a certain stage with proper water drop it works every time...however it only works if you are very low body fat, if someone is looking for a miracle and they are 6% BF it is not going to create a miracle and turn one into a BBing pro....there are many people here that have used my system and placed very, very well in their show, that being said i know there are many ways to reach the end result for me over time i developed my way through trail and error...now i have national level guys knocking on the pro car and people that are invited to do mr. universe...the best part about BBing is there is no one answer, i respect your opinion and i am definitely open to learning things from you...glad to see you on here and providing information to all....
XXL

**Metalject** · 06-16-2014, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL

I still feel any oil based long ester has a tendency to hold water, also the potential of a bad shot in the last week or so and causing swelling in the sight injected can be detrimental to the physiques...so i prefer to cut all oils and long esters out, there are plenty of items that can still keep the physique hard that are oral and short ester as tren acetat, test susp, halo, winny etc...so why risk it...as for shit loading, well i use that technique a lot, but lets redefine it, it is a controlled shit load, it has aspects of regular carb up combined with shit load at a certain stage with proper water drop it works every time...however it only works if you are very low body fat, if someone is looking for a miracle and they are 6% BF it is not going to create a miracle and turn one into a BBing pro....there are many people here that have used my system and placed very, very well in their show, that being said i know there are many ways to reach the end result for me over time i developed my way through trail and error...now i have national level guys knocking on the pro car and people that are invited to do mr. universe...the best part about BBing is there is no one answer, i respect your opinion and i am definitely open to learning things from you...glad to see you on here and providing information to all....
XXL

I understand what you mean by a bad shot. I always advise to only inject in the glutes where you know your trunks will hide anything if something happens to go wrong, i.e. selling or irritation.

As far as cutting all oils, short esters like tren-a are still oils so I'm not sure what you're getting at there.

As for the shit loading...you're right, that only stands a chance at working if you're really in shape. But in my opinion it's best to take it easy your first show or two rather than risk it. As you progress and learn what works you may find you can get away with more carbs during the load phase. But starting out that way often proves to be a disaster for a lot of guys. Just my opinion.