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    16 Week Pre Contest Stack.....what does this look like?

    It's been two years since my last competition. I had gotten mold poison that was misdiagnosed for about a yr and a half. Exercise would activate breakouts so they were limited.

    I did workout some but did not rally train at all. Ive since been back to training for the last few months and I am ready to redeem myself.

    I am currently about 212 pounds and 5'8' tall at 11% bodyfat.

    My last shows I competed in the Lt Heavy class at about 179. Id like to come in at the upper end of the light heavy or at least the 2/3.

    I have done several cycles in the past yet nothing as what I have listed below.


    Layout:
    Weeks 1-14: 750 mg Sust / wk
    Weeks 1-14: 1ml of GP Andromix every other day (50 mg prop,50 mg tren . 50 mg mast)
    Weeks 1-14: 4 IU HGH
    Weeks 2-16: .5mg Anastrozole per day
    Weeks 7-16: 400mg Primobolan per week
    Weeks 13-16: 50 mg Winstrol Depot per day
    Weeks 15-16: 1 ml Mast100 Every other day
    Weeks 16: 20mg GP Halotest per day
    Weeks 15-16: 50mg Aldactone per day

    I was thinking about putting some Deca , or EQ in the front end but really open to see what you guys think.

    I also have clen and T3 on hand as needed

    I appreciate all constructive input.
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    Tips/Thoughts

    1. I'd consider using actual Tren , not tren that's part of some mix and I'd consider a fairly larger amount of it.

    2. That very well may be too much anastrozole. I'd stick with eod on the front end. The only time you'd consider high dose daily is the last 10-14 days before the show, at that point 1mg/ed.

    3. Diuretic for 2wks solid - this seems unnecessary. Diuretics are taken the last 2-4 days out. Usually they're only taking the Friday before a show and sparingly on Sat.

    4. I'd run masteron with Tren solid for the last 8wks, 100mg of each every other day minimum.

    5. Keeping the T3 and Clen out until you need it is fine. I prefer to just go ahead and start with it, but one thing you don't want to do is wait to use it when you're saying "oh crap, I should have added T3" because then you're in for a harder ride.

    6. Primo - nothing wrong with it, but seems to take a lot to work well and there's so much garbage Primo out there.

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    I would skip aldactone all together...i would do T4 with GH at 100mcg per day and skip T3..i would run Halo last 4 weeks at 20mg week 1, 30 mg week 2 and 40mg last 2 weeks...thats a long time on long ester such as sust, i wold prefer going shorter esters for last 6 to 8 weeks...what ester is masterone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL View Post
    I would skip aldactone all together...i would do T4 with GH at 100mcg per day and skip T3..i would run Halo last 4 weeks at 20mg week 1, 30 mg week 2 and 40mg last 2 weeks...thats a long time on long ester such as sust, i wold prefer going shorter esters for last 6 to 8 weeks...what ester is masterone?
    I agree regarding the aldactone.
    Why do you opt for T4 over T3?

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    We all know that to maximize GH growth effect thyroid has to be present...the problem with T3 is that too much of it will inhibit T4 production, the beauty of GH is that it increases conversion of T4 to T3 without the negative impact on T4 production....GH increases the ability to convert T4 to T3...so in short by supplementing with T4, you get the benefit of thyroid medication and its anabolic impact to GH supplementation without negatively impacting T4 production as GH increases the conversion rate...

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    Here something I read on the use of T4 as opposed to T3, see what you guys think about it. I would like your thoughts on this, thank you.

    Remember, the thing that catalyzes the conversion process is the deiodinase
    enzyme. This is also why using low amounts of T3 would seem (again,
    anecdotally in bodybuilders) to be able to slightly increase protein synthesis
    and have an anabolic effect – they aren’t using enough to tell the body to
    stop or slow down production of the deiodinase enzyme, and hence .Although
    this analogy isn’t perfect, think of GH as a supercharger you have attached to
    your car…if you don’t provide enough fuel for it to burn at it’s increased
    output level, you aren’t going to derive the full effects. Thyroid status also
    may influence IGF-I expressionin tissues other than the liver.So what we
    have here is a problem. When we take GH, it lowers T3 levels…but we need
    T3 to keep our GH receptor levels optimally upregulated. In addition, it’s
    suspected that many of GH’s anabolic effects are engendered as a result of
    Thyroid Hormone + Growth Hormone - If You Aren’t Using T4 with Your GH, You’re N... Page 8 of 12
    Thyroid Hormone + Growth Hormone - If You Aren 1/22/2013
    production of IGF-1, so keeping our IGF receptors upregulated by
    maintaining adequate levels of T3 seems prudent. But as we’ve just seen,
    supplementing T3 with our GH will abolish Growth Hormone’s functional
    hepatic nitrogen clearance, possibly through the effect of reducing the
    bioavailability of insulin -like growth factor-I (12.)

    So we want elevated T3 levels when we take GH, or we won’t be getting
    ANYWHERE NEAR the full anabolic effect of our injectable GH without enough
    T3. And now we know that not only do we need the additional T3, but we
    actually want the CONVERSION process of T4 into T3 to take place, because
    it’s the presence of those mediator enzymes that will allow the T3 to be
    synergistic with GH, instead of being inhibitory as is seen when T3 is simply
    added to a GH cycle. And remember, we don’t only want T3 levels high, but
    we want types 1 and 2 deiodinase to get us there- and when we take
    supplemental T3, that just doesn’t happen…all that happens is the type 3
    deiodinase enzyme shows up and negates the beneficial effects of the T3
    when we combine it with GH.

    And that’s where myself and Dr. Daemon ended up, after a week of e-mails,
    researching studies, and gathering clues.

    If you’ve been using GH without T4, you’ve been wasting half your money –
    and if you’ve been using it with T3, you’ve been wasting your time. Start
    using T4 with your GH, and you’ll finally be getting the full results from your
    investment.

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    Stirated, more or less thats exactly why T4 is the preferred method of increasing T3 during GH therapy...

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