Cycle: Opinons(Contest style layout)

[JinAustin]

Current Stats:
Height-5'9"
Weight-(fasted) 198lb
Bf%- apx. sub 8%(full front abdominal wall showing without flexing/Obliques clearly visible while flexing)
Age: 24(on trt)
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Training history:Competitively lifting for 8 years. PL, first time doing BB style
Diet: Monitored and adjusted weekly, current: 4727 calories, 119G fats, 535g carbs, 379g protein

Compound history:
Test, P E
Deca /Tren , A E
Mast
EQ
Dbol , winny, var, adrol, halotest,
Gh
slin
Ghrp-6

Dose history (highest):
test- 1g
tren- 650mg
deca- 800mg
mast-700mg
EQ-350mg
Dbol-75mg/ed
Adrol-50mg/ed
Halo-35mg/ed
win-50mg/ed


Now that the basics have been covered:

On WK 8
Current cycle: Recomp Goal... Add two pounds a week until 220. Drop Bf sub 7% then maintain
Wk1-6
Test P 700mg
Mast 700mg
Tren A 350mg
Winny 350mg

Wk 7-10
Test P 700mg
Mast 700mg
Tren A 350mg
Deca 700mg

Wk 10-16(goal to drop test/mast and smooth transition over to Test E) keeping anabolic high
Test P 200mg
Test E 250mg
Tren A 350mg
Tren E 400mg
Deca 700mg

Wk 16-22
Test E 250mg
TrenA/E 750mg
Deca 300mg
Mast 700mg

Wk 22 on(At this point I should in theory be at target weight and will maintain for 3 months; will transition back to strength training)
Test E 250mg
Deca 300mg

AI: Letro 2.5mg/ed currently, will switch to arimdex when test lowers
SERM: Ramox 60mg/ed

My main concern is peak times for compounds and making sure my transition will be smooth to keep as constant weight gain as possible. I am a big advocate of 19-nors, as you can tell. Deca has done wonders for me and have never had issues running higher doses or multiple 19-nors. Most of my sides are androgen related reason for wanting to drop it to trt level.
Any other suggestions are more then welcomed!

-J

[MIKE_XXL]

Personally i dont think Deca dose should ever out weight Test dose...i also do not recommend Letro for a long run like this, Aromasin changes the lipid profile far less then Letro and is much healthier long run, arimidex is ok as well but i prefer Aromasin EOD, i feel Letro should only be utilized as a) emergency gyno fix or b) pre-contest for 2 weeks out of the show...Sarms are ok, i do enjoy Ostarine at 25mgs...i do not do tren A as it gives me cough and insomnia, but if you can tolerate it thats good for you, i can get away with 300mg of tren E thou...good luck Bro!

[JinAustin]

appreciate the post!

As of now I am same weight but have dropped to 6.7% BF(measured)

Trainer switched me to more conventional mass cycle:
1050mg test e
600mg deca
900mg eq(appetite)
350mg adrol
3iu gh 6on 1off
slin 1month on/1 off

6wks will switch it up:
Test-same
Eq-"bump up significantly"
GH- bump to 4iu
Deca-up to 800mg
drop slin

(might add tren /mast) depending on weight

[JinAustin]

Will now try to maintain BF sub 8.5%

[Mp859]

Bro you need to up that gh. You will also probably have to raise your test later if you are already starting that high. And is the anadrol 350mg weekly or what? But I like the eq and deca where you have them. Should see some nice mass. Reason for dropping the slin?

[JinAustin]

I was always under the impression that I'd need more gh but its what he wants me to start off at.

-Adrol is weekly dose 50mg/daily 6 weeks
-Upping the test will be his decision as well.
-He recommended dropping slin if I use lantus, as of now I'm using novolog. Health reasons I assume

[Capebuffalo]

If you're sub 8 bf I'd add mast and tren a to the cycle

[JinAustin]

I just came off of those. trying to hit 220lb while maintaining current BF. Honestly I wanted to stay on tren /mast and just lower the doses. My trainers reply was that I'm not needing to condition at this point; and that mass is our main focus for the next 6wks. If diet is on point BF shouldn't increase. In two weeks we will be reassessing.

I just transitioned from this:
Wk1-6
Test P 700mg
Mast 700mg
Tren A 350mg
Winny 350mg

Wk 6-8
Test P 700mg
Mast 700mg
Tren A 350mg
Deca 700mg

[Capebuffalo]

I'm confused. Are you doing a show?

[JinAustin]

nothing planned for now: Always just workout for sports and power lifting. Hurt my back so I decided I had lifted enough heavy weight for awhile and just want to enjoy the process of BBing now. Once I hit my goals if i feel ready I might do a show or two just to say I have

[Capebuffalo]

It's a great experience.

[Cuz]

Bro it a gonna take a long long time to add 20 lbs of muscle tissue...im sure you know that already
great stats already but really no reasons to run that much gear imo unless you plan on doing a show and I find it amazing you can drop 2% while eating that much. Hats off to you.

[Mp859]

I was always under the impression that I'd need more gh but its what he wants me to start off at. -Adrol is weekly dose 50mg/daily 6 weeks -Upping the test will be his decision as well. -He recommended dropping slin if I use lantus, as of now I'm using novolog. Health reasons I assume

I was worried when I saw that anadrol 350mg. The thing about the test is if you start off that high you don't have anywhere to go but up. I always prefer to start a little lower like 750 and then I have more room to grow into my dose. I like novolog but a lot of people run the lantus throughout the day and novolog around workouts on top of it. I would just follow the trainers advice.

Very interested to see how this turns out for you brother.

[JinAustin]

I agree, with the 2lb a week goal. In ten weeks I'll be at my target weight(water weight with some fat gain as well) I just want to stay under 8-9% I do have intentions to compete but just dont have a date set.

I was at 700mg/wk so I wouldnt say we started that high, I do like to throw a few weeks in of low test and up the anabolics. Again I'm not calling any of the shots with this cycle so he might keep it at 1g or bump it.
As far as Lantus and Novolog I imagine that gets a bit involved with nutrient timing, because of the synergistic effect.

certainly will keep yall updated

[stirated]

Good thread im following with interest please keep us updated.

[JinAustin]

One week in three pounds up.
Weighed in at 201lb good first week. More vascular as well.

Diet followed:
Diet: 220 bulk

4727 calories, 119G fats, 535g carbs, 379g protein

Meal 1 7:00am 24g/8g/63.5
16oz egg whites
3 tbsp pb

Meal 2 10:00am 2.5g/158g/70g
16oz egg whites
2 cups rolled oats
50g dextrin

Meal 3 1:00pm 30g/75g/55g
16 oz egg white + 1/2 cup brown rice flour
1 sprouted grain pancakes
1 tbsp grass fed butter

Meal 4 3:00pm 30g/60g/30g
5oz chicken breast
2 tbsp mayo
1/2 cup red beans
1 cup basmati rice
22 almonds

Meal 5 6:00pm 30g/60g/30g
Same as 4


PWO Shake: 0/75g/50g
50g whey
5g creatine mono
75g HBCD
8g glut

Meal 6 11:00pm 0/83g/50g
White bagel
Large banana
50g whey

[JinAustin]

204.6lb, I'm up another 3lbs some I'm on track I am hoping to keep 2-3lb increase per week now. Up 9lbs from start: 2 weeks ago.
My gh will be bumped from 3iu to 6iu, lantus will be added in at first meal starting at 10iu in a week or so. Novolog will continue to be used pwo.
AAS:
still at
1g test e
600mg deca
900mg eq
50mg adrol

This previous weeks diet-

7am:
1/2 cup cream of rice
25g apple sauce
16oz egg white
2 tbsp PB

10am:
1/2 cream of rice with tbsp of honey
16oz egg whites

12pm:
1 cup basamti rice
1/2 cup red beans
5 oz chicken

3pm:
5 whole eggs
2 slices sour dough bread
22 almonds

6:30pm:
1 cup rice
1/2 cup red beans
5 oz chicken

pre workout:
25g apple sauce
5g mono creatine
N.O. supp
humapro

post workout:
14iu novolog
50g whey
75g applesauce
8g glut
8g mono

10pm:
either cream of rice and egg whites
or white bagel/banana/whey or egg whites


Cheat meals this week:
2x
triple burger from in and out
large vanilla shake
fries

both times were post workout