Need some help

[David LoPan]

This is NOT for me but a friend approached me and asked for my help. I am shocked on what he was told to do. I have taken a screen shot of his proposed cycle. I not nothing about HGH nor how to cycle for a competition. I can say this guy know nutrition, he owns and cooks meals for a lot of gyms around this area. He is a good 8 to 9% body fat year round and can cut low BF before competitions. There are so many things wrong with this cycle I dont know what to tell him. Here is a screen shot of his proposed cycle that someone told him to do.

[David LoPan]

Oh he had run a a lot of cycles and has placed in nations for Men’s Physique and is now going to the grand prix.

[Metalject]

What don't you like about the cycle? I'm not saying it's the greatest cycle of all time or anything and I wouldn't do things exactly like he's doing, but what he's doing is pretty similar to what a lot of competitors do.

[David LoPan]

1 no HCG which I have told him about
2 why take Dyazide (hydrochlorothiazide) when suggested. I see a week or so before comp but why not lasik? He has low BP to start out with and have never had BP issues while on AAS
3. From what I understand HGH is best after workout and before bed. I also believe its better to take every other day to mimic what your body natually does, again I dont know much about this
4. Why Test E every other day? Its a long ester, why not just more mg per injection?
5. I personally think that it is just stupid to run any insulin if your not diabetic. "hyperinsulinaemic clamp" is dangerious peroid. Improper use of insulin can lead to the person developing diabetes mellitus, long-term organ damage, coma, or death.
6.Equipoise - is a very long ester, only have him running it 4 weeks and taking it every other day
7. Tren A - why not use that longer along with Test e? Also no Prami or Caber
8. Masteron - Great AAS but has it at state of cycle not the end.
9. Proviron - Standard male Proviron doses will fall in the 50-150mg per day range. 50mg per day can provide a benefit, but most men will find Proviron doses in the 100-150mg per day range to be far more beneficial and very well-tolerated. Only has him on this for 4 weeks at beginning of cycle.
10. Clen and T-3 when drop this at 8 weeks? Should this not begin later, he is great with diet and has low body fat to begin with.
11. Novadex and Arimidex at the same time during cycle? He is not pron to gyno.
12. Running PCT while stuff injecting test E
This is what I am talking about.

[David LoPan]

HGH - Dosing in the EOD nature reduces incidence of any sort of withdrawal problems associated with normal Human Growth Hormone use, including regression or retardation of growth after cessation of therapy (The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 87, No.8 3573-3577) I have not used this before but what I have read 2 shots per day of .028iu/kg of body weight, taken every other day, for a minimum of 3months, and preferably for 2-3x that long for best results.

[MIKE_XXL]

Answers below:

1 no HCG which I have told him about - do not see an issue with that, perhaps during PCT but thats fine by me
2 why take Dyazide (hydrochlorothiazide) when suggested. I see a week or so before comp but why not lasik? He has low BP to start out with and have never had BP issues while on AAS - Dyazide is much more controllable diuretic then Lasix, and preferred by many, friday and saturday is fine by me
3. From what I understand HGH is best after workout and before bed. I also believe its better to take every other day to mimic what your body natually does, again I dont know much about this - i would go HGH first thing in the morning and go either 5 days on 2 days off or 7 days on
4. Why Test E every other day? Its a long ester, why not just more mg per injection? - thats neither here or there, ether large shot once a week or smaller shots EOD
5. I personally think that it is just stupid to run any insulin if your not diabetic. "hyperinsulinaemic clamp" is dangerious peroid. Improper use of insulin can lead to the person developing diabetes mellitus, long-term organ damage, coma, or death. - yes insulin is dangerous substance to use, but i know people that do it sucesfully leading up to the show, however i would not take it myself
6.Equipoise - is a very long ester, only have him running it 4 weeks and taking it every other day - same as test E answer frequency does not matter, however 4 weeks length seems odd
7. Tren A - why not use that longer along with Test e? Also no Prami or Caber - not everyone has prolactin related sides with tren, no need for Caber, bromo or prami for everyone, i do preffer tren E for me as acetate gives me cronic cough
8. Masteron - Great AAS but has it at state of cycle not the end.- i would run it through the whole cycle
9. Proviron - Standard male Proviron doses will fall in the 50-150mg per day range. 50mg per day can provide a benefit, but most men will find Proviron doses in the 100-150mg per day range to be far more beneficial and very well-tolerated. Only has him on this for 4 weeks at beginning of cycle. - i would prefer to see that at the end of cycle
10. Clen and T-3 when drop this at 8 weeks? Should this not begin later, he is great with diet and has low body fat to begin with. - i dont like either or near the contest time due to insulin sensitivity issues that can come up with their use, i prefer dropping clen or not even using it, and reducing T3 to 50mcg per day
11. Novadex and Arimidex at the same time during cycle? He is not pron to gyno. - i would skip nolva and replace it with letro for last 2 week before show
12. Running PCT while stuff injecting test E - why come off? kidding i would run for 4 weeks after the show to utalize the anabolic rebound
This is what I am talking about.

[David LoPan]

Answers below:

Thanks for your input. If you had all the same gear, access to anavar and tren E what would your cycle look like? He is asking for another suggestion. When you go past the basics and into competition cycles you seem to know what you are talking about. I am would not know where to guide him toward.

[MIKE_XXL]

Thats a very lengthy question and answer, the cycle is fine for most part, just when i work with my client its not the way i go, similar, yes perhaps, but different, the best advice i have is if he hired a trainer follow his advice, if he does not like the end results hire a different trainer next time...we all have a slightly different approach, doesnt really mean the other way is wrong but just different...the basics are usually the same but the fine details are different...i am sure most will support what i am saying, stick to what trainer says, as a trainer i hate when i put effort forth to set up a plan and a person doesnt follow it...good luck to him, keep us posted!

[Metalject]

1 no HCG which I have told him about
2 why take Dyazide (hydrochlorothiazide) when suggested. I see a week or so before comp but why not lasik? He has low BP to start out with and have never had BP issues while on AAS
3. From what I understand HGH is best after workout and before bed. I also believe its better to take every other day to mimic what your body natually does, again I dont know much about this
4. Why Test E every other day? Its a long ester, why not just more mg per injection?
5. I personally think that it is just stupid to run any insulin if your not diabetic. "hyperinsulinaemic clamp" is dangerious peroid. Improper use of insulin can lead to the person developing diabetes mellitus, long-term organ damage, coma, or death.
6.Equipoise - is a very long ester, only have him running it 4 weeks and taking it every other day
7. Tren A - why not use that longer along with Test e? Also no Prami or Caber
8. Masteron - Great AAS but has it at state of cycle not the end.
9. Proviron - Standard male Proviron doses will fall in the 50-150mg per day range. 50mg per day can provide a benefit, but most men will find Proviron doses in the 100-150mg per day range to be far more beneficial and very well-tolerated. Only has him on this for 4 weeks at beginning of cycle.
10. Clen and T-3 when drop this at 8 weeks? Should this not begin later, he is great with diet and has low body fat to begin with.
11. Novadex and Arimidex at the same time during cycle? He is not pron to gyno.
12. Running PCT while stuff injecting test E
This is what I am talking about.

I know Mike already answered, but here's my take:

I read the proposed cycle from top to bottom, the top being the beginning, which did make things look somewhat odd but not as odd as they look if reading from the bottom up. Most of the time if a guy lays out a cycle, week 1 is the start and week 15 or so is the end, but if they lay it out top to bottom the bottom is always the end, the actual show...very confusing layout.

Anyway - test-e: If high doses are run it's a little more controllable for a lot of guys to inject eod. Same with EQ...most competitors will run most things eod regardless of ester...not all but quite a few.

HGH and mimicking your body - you're not trying to mimic your body. And it can work well at the morning or night, I usually stuck with morning.

Tren-a: I prefer Tren-a all day over Tren-e - more control over it, but the biggest reason is I've never used a Tren-e product that was comparable to Tren-a...not that one or some don't exist but all the best Tren's I ever used were acetate.

Insulin, pretty much what Mike said - dangers, yes but not as much if you eat enough. I would never use it a first time during a contest prep, so hopefully he has some experience with it.

Anyway, looking at the laid out cycle again and I'm very confused by it - it's unorganized and confusing. If he is running Tren and masteron at the beginning that makes no sense among several other things.

[MIKE_XXL]

I also agree with Metaljects comments on Masterone and Tren...i cant use tren acetate as the uncontrollable cough i get from it kills me, so i have to be restricted to Tren E...

[David LoPan]

Thats a very lengthy question and answer, the cycle is fine for most part, just when i work with my client its not the way i go, similar, yes perhaps, but different, the best advice i have is if he hired a trainer follow his advice, if he does not like the end results hire a different trainer next time...we all have a slightly different approach, doesnt really mean the other way is wrong but just different...the basics are usually the same but the fine details are different...i am sure most will support what i am saying, stick to what trainer says, as a trainer i hate when i put effort forth to set up a plan and a person doesnt follow it...good luck to him, keep us posted!

This is just another gym rat that gave him this AAS cycle. He is one of my sources for AAS, so he came to me due to the fact I know a lot about AAS but I am very private about it. He started out with poor knowledge about steroids and made some mistakes. Now his is going to a different level with this type of cycle. That is why I came in this section to ask. I have read in here before and you guys seem to have a whole different level of understanding about stacking and preparation for contests.

He is a trainer and also owns and operates a food nutrition company that specializes working with gyms, trainers and body builders. He is the only person that I know that when they say their diet is "clean" I know this to be true. He does not even have a cheat day. Guy is a nutrition nut with a Culinary education.

[Metalject]

I also agree with Metaljects comments on Masterone and Tren...i cant use tren acetate as the uncontrollable cough i get from it kills me, so i have to be restricted to Tren E...

If I haven't used Tren for awhile I can get a pretty rough cough when I first start. Very uncomfortable - metal taste in the mouth, teeth hurt a little and the back of my head feels like it's burning. Sometimes it feels like my skin is crawling. But we're only talking about during the injection process, the few minutes afterwards and pretty much every time this passes after 2-3wks. Is this what you're talking about or something else?

Anyway, as I said before, the cycle layout is very confusing after reading your replies. The more I look at it the more confused I am. Seems things are a little all over the place....or maybe I'm just being retarded.

[David LoPan]

If I haven't used Tren for awhile I can get a pretty rough cough when I first start. Very uncomfortable - metal taste in the mouth, teeth hurt a little and the back of my head feels like it's burning. Sometimes it feels like my skin is crawling. But we're only talking about during the injection process, the few minutes afterwards and pretty much every time this passes after 2-3wks. Is this what you're talking about or something else?

Anyway, as I said before, the cycle layout is very confusing after reading your replies. The more I look at it the more confused I am. Seems things are a little all over the place....or maybe I'm just being retarded.

No your not retarded, its all over the place. That is what is bothering me. I normally would not give advice but when I saw this I was totally confused as to why it was suggested this way.

[MIKE_XXL]

Metalject i agree the more i look at it the more messed up it looks, definitely not a cycle i would put together for contest prep. Almost looks like wanting to make look very elaborate to make it look complicated / impressive. KISS is the method, keep it simple stupid, why over complicate this stuff. No my tren cough can last for months even after i stop the tren a...even with tren E i have to limit the dose to about 300mg per week, any more and i get the cough...