Preparing for next show with AAS

Hey boys I wanted to run this by you guys and see what u guys think. I dont know what division im going to go into yet. Either mens physique or bodybuilding. I will see the close the date comes

Stats:5'9, 192, bf% 10.8%
Cycle history:
Test p 500mg 8 weeks
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Test p 500mg 8 with 60mg var
Never messed with tren, mast, or tbol

Show April 18
Weeks
1. TestP 500mg EW, 50ED Tbol
2. TestP 500mg EW, 50ED Tbol
3. TestP 500mg EW, 50ED Tbol
4. TestP 500mg EW, 50ED Tbol
5.Cut Mix (300mg TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
6.Cut Mix (300mg TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
7.Cut Mix (300mg TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
8. Cut Mix (300mg, TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
9. Cut Mix (300mg, TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
10. Cut Mix, Cabex 1mg EW
11.Cut Mix Cabex 1mg EW
12 Show wk. 300mg Tren, 300mg Mast (Drop TP) cabex 1mg EW, adex .25 EOD
13.Test P 500mg EW
14.Test P 500mg EW
15. Test P 500mg EW

1-15 hcg 250iu x2 500iu EW
1-15 adex .25 EOD

PCT:
C@100, 100, 75, 50, 50, 25, 25
N@40, 40, 20, 20, 20, 20

Couple of question.
Should I use the wk1-4 to add a little lean mass?

Should tbol be run wk1-6 into cut mix?

Is cadex 1mg EW to much?

Should i move wk 1-4 into wk 13-15 and do 13-18 test p and tbol?

Does adex have to be run during the cut mix because mast is going to be run with lower test?

Does my pct look ok because I know tren is very suppressive.

Thanks boy

Ive always heard/read Mast needs to be ran at 500mg or more per week. Have you ran it this low before and had results?

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Originally Posted by lovbyts

Ive always heard/read Mast needs to be ran at 500mg or more per week. Have you ran it this low before and had results?

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No lovbyts i haven't run it before.. The test p, tren a & mast are in a cutting blend in the same vial. The blend looks like this

Cutting blend: 1 vial (10ml/vial(300mg/ml) test p 100mg, tren a 100mg & mast p 100mg.. .

I have never ran tren before so i don't want to jack it up with the blend but if its better i will buy everything separately and do test p 300mg, tren A 300mg & mast 500mg.. What do u think?

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Originally Posted by lovbyts

Ive always heard/read Mast needs to be ran at 500mg or more per week. Have you ran it this low before and had results?

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I've always heard the same but you can have results with less. In all honestly 50mg/eod of Tren and 50mg/eod of Masteron will make a difference in any physique. A massive difference? Maybe not but if it doesn't make a noticeable one then you have other issues. That said, my preferable minimum of both in contest terms would be 100mg/eod of each.

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Originally Posted by tice1212

No lovbyts i haven't run it before.. The test p, tren a & mast are in a cutting blend in the same vial. The blend looks like this

Cutting blend: 1 vial (10ml/vial(300mg/ml) test p 100mg, tren a 100mg & mast p 100mg.. .

I have never ran tren before so i don't want to jack it up with the blend but if its better i will buy everything separately and do test p 300mg, tren A 300mg & mast 500mg.. What do u think?

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I don't care for blends, primarily because I don't trust them.

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Originally Posted by tice1212

Hey boys I wanted to run this by you guys and see what u guys think. I dont know what division im going to go into yet. Either mens physique or bodybuilding. I will see the close the date comes

Stats:5'9, 192, bf% 10.8%
Cycle history:
Test p 500mg 8 weeks
&
Test p 500mg 8 with 60mg var
Never messed with tren, mast, or tbol

Show April 18
Weeks
1. TestP 500mg EW, 50ED Tbol
2. TestP 500mg EW, 50ED Tbol
3. TestP 500mg EW, 50ED Tbol
4. TestP 500mg EW, 50ED Tbol
5.Cut Mix (300mg TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
6.Cut Mix (300mg TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
7.Cut Mix (300mg TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
8. Cut Mix (300mg, TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
9. Cut Mix (300mg, TP, TR, MA) Cabex 1mg EW
10. Cut Mix, Cabex 1mg EW
11.Cut Mix Cabex 1mg EW
12 Show wk. 300mg Tren, 300mg Mast (Drop TP) cabex 1mg EW, adex .25 EOD
13.Test P 500mg EW
14.Test P 500mg EW
15. Test P 500mg EW

1-15 hcg 250iu x2 500iu EW
1-15 adex .25 EOD

PCT:
C@100, 100, 75, 50, 50, 25, 25
N@40, 40, 20, 20, 20, 20

Couple of question.
Should I use the wk1-4 to add a little lean mass?

Should tbol be run wk1-6 into cut mix?

Is cadex 1mg EW to much?

Should i move wk 1-4 into wk 13-15 and do 13-18 test p and tbol?

Does adex have to be run during the cut mix because mast is going to be run with lower test?

Does my pct look ok because I know tren is very suppressive.

Thanks boy

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1. The only way you're going to add actual mass that's sustainable is by using a lot more gear, far more than what you've laid out. At this stage I do not recommend it. Just worry about getting ready, that's a big enough of job on its own.

2. I don't see an advantage in adding in the Tbol. There may not be a disadvantage but no advantage either.

3. What is "Cadex"? I know what adex is and what caber is but this isn't the same thing.

4. Masteron won't replace adex.

5. PCT's always a toss up IMO - probably better people suited to help you with that though.

Yeah I'm probably getting caught up in the more is better mentality when it comes to Mast. I know it's not with tren and many others.

Ive always felt if you want a blend then you do the mixing when you pull it out of separate vials into one syringe otherwise you really really have to trust your source.

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Originally Posted by Metalject

1. The only way you're going to add actual mass that's sustainable is by using a lot more gear, far more than what you've laid out. At this stage I do not recommend it. Just worry about getting ready, that's a big enough of job on its own.

2. I don't see an advantage in adding in the Tbol. There may not be a disadvantage but no advantage either.

3. What is "Cadex"? I know what adex is and what caber is but this isn't the same thing.

4. Masteron won't replace adex.

5. PCT's always a toss up IMO - probably better people suited to help you with that though.

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Yes ur right its caber the place im getting it from call it Cabex for some reason.. Is 1mg a week to much on such low dosage and with the Adex? Thanks bro

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Originally Posted by lovbyts

Yeah I'm probably getting caught up in the more is better mentality when it comes to Mast. I know it's not with tren and many others.

Ive always felt if you want a blend then you do the mixing when you pull it out of separate vials into one syringe otherwise you really really have to trust your source.

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Yeah im going to take ur advice on the mast and not going with a mix. Thanks bro

Ok boys thank u for ur replies. I have made some changes that i think should workout pretty well from ur comments. (Cycle will start on Saturday, so my pecking at Saturday show) show April 18

Abbreviation key:
TP= Test Prop
TR= Tren Ace
MAS= Masteron P
WIN= Winstrol
Weeks
12. Diet, cardio, training
11.TP 300, TR 300
10.TP 300, TR 300
9. TP 300, TR 300
8. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500
7. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500
6. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
5. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
4. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
3. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
2. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
1. MAS 500, WIN 40 ED (DROPPING TP &TR)
Saturday show

Supports
.25 adex EOD
1mg caber EW
250iu E3D
NAC liver ED

Question:
1.I hear that winny sides are bad what will cataract these sides besides deca? Glucosmaine?

2. I have heard to drop the test and tren two weeks out but can one week before show be enough?

3.is it better the run masteron for 8 weeks at 500mg of 6 weeks at 650mg?

Thanks again boys

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Originally Posted by tice1212

Ok boys thank u for ur replies. I have made some changes that i think should workout pretty well from ur comments. (Cycle will start on Saturday, so my pecking at Saturday show) show April 18

Abbreviation key:
TP= Test Prop
TR= Tren Ace
MAS= Masteron P
WIN= Winstrol
Weeks
12. Diet, cardio, training
11.TP 300, TR 300
10.TP 300, TR 300
9. TP 300, TR 300
8. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500
7. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500
6. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
5. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
4. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
3. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
2. TP 300, TR 300, MAS 500, WIN 40 ED
1. MAS 500, WIN 40 ED (DROPPING TP &TR)
Saturday show

Supports
.25 adex EOD
1mg caber EW
250iu E3D
NAC liver ED

Question:
1.I hear that winny sides are bad what will cataract these sides besides deca? Glucosmaine?

2. I have heard to drop the test and tren two weeks out but can one week before show be enough?

3.is it better the run masteron for 8 weeks at 500mg of 6 weeks at 650mg?

Thanks again boys

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1. Some people complain of joint pain when they use Winstrol, I've never had an issue with it. When you diet down, with or without Winstrol, your joints are going to ache a little more than normal, just the way it is. Anyway, just one of those things you push through.

2. I wouldn't drop the Tren at all, I'd run it all the way through. Personally, I prefer to increase my Tren dose significantly the last 2wks all the way to the last day. For example, if I were running 100mg/eod, the last 14 days or so I'd up it to 100mg/ed. Dropping the testosterone, just wait and see how you look. May or may not need to drop it.

3. Better to run the Masteron for 8wks.

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Originally Posted by Metalject

1. Some people complain of joint pain when they use Winstrol, I've never had an issue with it. When you diet down, with or without Winstrol, your joints are going to ache a little more than normal, just the way it is. Anyway, just one of those things you push through.

2. I wouldn't drop the Tren at all, I'd run it all the way through. Personally, I prefer to increase my Tren dose significantly the last 2wks all the way to the last day. For example, if I were running 100mg/eod, the last 14 days or so I'd up it to 100mg/ed. Dropping the testosterone, just wait and see how you look. May or may not need to drop it.

3. Better to run the Masteron for 8wks.

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How bad do the side effects get when u push the tren up an extra 300mg in the last two week?

Anything i should expect when i bring my tren from 300mg to 600mg for those two weeks?

Oh and should i run t3 with the tren because i have read that tren messes with the thyroid? If so what dosage?

Awesome info .. Thanks alot bro

Your caber would be fine at .25 x 2 per week, imho. You'll be controlling your E along the way so save the extra for another cycle.

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Originally Posted by kelkel

Your caber would be fine at .25 x 2 per week, imho. You'll be controlling your E along the way so save the extra for another cycle.

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Awesome.. Will do! Yeah i figured 1mg would be a bit much especially while using .25 adex EOD along side of it.. Thank kelkel

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Originally Posted by tice1212

How bad do the side effects get when u push the tren up an extra 300mg in the last two week?

Anything i should expect when i bring my tren from 300mg to 600mg for those two weeks?

Oh and should i run t3 with the tren because i have read that tren messes with the thyroid? If so what dosage?

Awesome info .. Thanks alot bro

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Impossible to say, everyone's different. I've never really had issues with tren side effects at any dose, not at 300/wk, 700/wk or whatever number you can throw out there. I have noticed at times that with higher doses I breath a little heavier and maybe run a little warmer but nothing to freak out or get upset about. Personally, I think tren side effects are the biggest over-hyped deal on steroid message boards. That isn't to say they're not very real and possible but in 15+yrs I've yet to know a real life competitor who couldn't handle using tren. Again, that's not to say they're not out there, I'm sure they are.

And I'm not saying you must or even should up your dose the last two weeks...300mg/wk throughout may be just fine for what you're looking to do and may be all you need for what you want to do. I was simply sharing what I prefer.

T3 - I normally run T3 anyway when dieting, usually 100mcg/ed...sometimes more but 100mcg is my average. As far as running it to combat any related Tren/Thyroid issues, 25mcg/ed should be enough to keep normal thyroid function up. However, honestly I don't have a good answer as to if it's a needed must or not in this regard though.

Ok so using those last couple of weeks to see what i need before making it a definite plan.. Like dropping my test or even upping my tren.. Because if i look great then why change it up.. Ok now i understand what ur saying.. So far i think this cycle is a good starting point and ill adjust as needed... Thanks again bro

I am one of the people that's very sensitive to tren, tren acetate gives me uncontrollable cough I can not use it at any dose, tren enanth I can tolerate at 400mg per week, beyond that sweats, insomnia but no cough...25mcg of t3 should be good for maintenance...I get good results from 300mg of masterone per week, unlike some I cut all oils out 10-14 days out, stick to orals and waterbased or acetates...but that's just my thing I guess...good luck regardless lots of good people here and valid advice...

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I am one of the people that's very sensitive to tren, tren acetate gives me uncontrollable cough I can not use it at any dose, tren enanth I can tolerate at 400mg per week, beyond that sweats, insomnia but no cough...25mcg of t3 should be good for maintenance...I get good results from 300mg of masterone per week, unlike some I cut all oils out 10-14 days out, stick to orals and waterbased or acetates...but that's just my thing I guess...good luck regardless lots of good people here and valid advice...

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Yeah i read ur full contest log.. Great read.. I hope i don't have that problem with tren.. Only 300mg of mast and u got results! That's awesome.. What do u think about my cycle outline so far? I now understand that things can change.. That's why i call it an outline.. Any criticism will be appreciated.

Low test, no need for 500mg imo, HIGH Mast High Tren, up the T3 and perhaps add in stana for the last 4-6 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Roger11

Low test, no need for 500mg imo, HIGH Mast High Tren, up the T3 and perhaps add in stana for the last 4-6 weeks.

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Yeah that's what im going to do.. Testp300mg, trenA300mg, mast500mg and winny40mg... I may add in some t3.

I feel like your doses are on the low side to begin with. I don't see the need for mast to be ran over 400mgs but your other compounds Would be to low for me.You will have to see what works best for you

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Hey guys just an update with a picture.(honest thoughts) So i just got finished with a 4week blast.. Because im going to be running a 12 weeker January 24. So i wanted to add a little more mass and cut up.

Stats:
5'9
194lbs dry
3 cycles
Bf% guess? Im thinking high 9's and low 10's

Cycle

1-4 600mg test p EW
1-4 50mg Sdrol ED
1-4 500iu HCG

Pct
C@100,75,50,50
N@40,20,20,20

Attachment 153892 fyi abs are the only body part flexed

I would say no higher than 10%. It's honestly hard to tell. Everyone holds their fat a little different. Are you legs dried out also? Definetly looking on point brother.

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I would say no higher than 10%. It's honestly hard to tell. Everyone holds their fat a little different. Are you legs dried out also? Definetly looking on point brother.

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Thanks bro.. Yeah my legs are pretty lean. I will posting pictures.. I respect alot of ur guys opinions and criticism on this forum (Good or bad) It helps me grow.
(picture was with just flexed abs) maybe i should put that on the picture. Thanks again bro

To me your cycle looks good, as for doses, we all respond different to different compounds and the relevant doses...like you said its an outline adjustments can be made as you progress forward, i think it is a very good starting point...yeah tren kills me...LOL...i am on about 225mg per week right now of Tren Enanth and i can not sleep, i am a zombie, i sweat like crazy in sleep...the results are great but the price not quite worth it...not for me anyway...if i was as commited as i was back in my competition days then yes but right now i can do without...good luck and keep us posted...

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Originally Posted by tice1212

Yeah i read ur full contest log.. Great read.. I hope i don't have that problem with tren.. Only 300mg of mast and u got results! That's awesome.. What do u think about my cycle outline so far? I now understand that things can change.. That's why i call it an outline.. Any criticism will be appreciated.

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fyi abs are the only body part flexed

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That's what they all say......
Look good Tice!

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Originally Posted by kelkel

That's what they all say......
Look good Tice!

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Lmfao! ILS= Invisible Lat Syndrome Thanks bro. Trying hard like everyone else.

Man, you got me beat. . . . This winter bulking 6-10Lbs. stole my abs. But, hopefully I'll gain a few pounds of LBM out of it.


Solid as fvck bro!

What UGL Tren Ace/Mast you running? I swear the shit I ran last summer was good and real but had to be underdosed. I ran my doses close to a g of mast & tren ace without sides. Ran letro as my Ai & had zero water retention.

Only real sides were added aggression & mad sweats.

I dropped to about 8-9% Bf.

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Man, you got me beat. . . . This winter bulking 6-10Lbs. stole my abs. But, hopefully I'll gain a few pounds of LBM out of it.

Solid as fvck bro!

What UGL Tren Ace/Mast you running? I swear the shit I ran last summer was good and real but had to be underdosed. I ran my doses close to a g of mast & tren ace without sides. Ran letro as my Ai & had zero water retention.

Only real sides were added aggression & mad sweats.

I dropped to about 8-9% Bf.

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Thanks alot brotha

Yea the winter bulk has its pro's & con's.

Hell yeah 8%-9% is legit bro. ****ing hard to maintain that bf%

The picture above was from a short burst cycle (Marcus wrote a huge article on it)

1-4 600mg test p
1-4 50mg Sdrol clone

The results were pretty good. The Sdrol was good but it started making my very aggressive and lethargic as fvck!

I also primed myself with GH blend cjc-1295 no dac / ghrp-2

The brand of test, tren and mast is Jintani Labs.

The test prop was pretty good (from how i felt. No BW :-( ) night sweats like crazy with the test p.

Thanks again bro.. And good luck on ur bulk

Yeah, same exact feeling on the sDrol here

Jintani is fairly well known, haven't seen anything bad on em - so should be properly dosed