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    Bikini competition

    Guys! I need help I am in like week 4 on 90 without keto. Do I need it? Also, I'm not where I need to be?. My stack is anavar n Clen but I'm three weeks out from my show n been stuck on a number. Could it be the anavar? Could I be gaining muscle? I get some bad ass workouts n lift. Pretty heavy. Anavar is at 15 mcg n Clen is at 90 daily.. Both at week four. Is it safe for me to keep going? Thanks in advance

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    Welcome...i think you mean anavar at 15mg and clen at 90mcg. Clen downregultes beta 2 receptor very quickly and is basically rendered useless after 2 weeks of use, so if you have used it for 4 weeks it is not doing much to stimulate fat loss. It needs to be cycled 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. the off weeks i recommend ephedrine and caffeine stack. Also because of that i do not like clen at all...regular dose would be about 100mcg 2 times a day which makes your dose very low. numbers do not mean a lot when it comes to fat loss, i prefer to measure my waist to track my progress.
    If you can post some pics we can let you know if we feel your on track or behind, remember you are your own worst judge its hard to make a subjective judgement by yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL View Post
    Welcome...i think you mean anavar at 15mg and clen at 90mcg. Clen downregultes beta 2 receptor very quickly and is basically rendered useless after 2 weeks of use, so if you have used it for 4 weeks it is not doing much to stimulate fat loss. It needs to be cycled 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. the off weeks i recommend ephedrine and caffeine stack. Also because of that i do not like clen at all...regular dose would be about 100mcg 2 times a day which makes your dose very low. numbers do not mean a lot when it comes to fat loss, i prefer to measure my waist to track my progress.
    If you can post some pics we can let you know if we feel your on track or behind, remember you are your own worst judge its hard to make a subjective judgement by yourself...
    help me out mike, I ask this with all due respect but wouldn't taking ephedrine after clen be counter productive seeing as they are both beta 2 agonists working with the same receptors? im not understanding how the receptors would ever have a chance to "refresh"...I think the op should be taking ketofen while using clen so she could stay on longer but maybe I just don't understand, thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    help me out mike, I ask this with all due respect but wouldn't taking ephedrine after clen be counter productive seeing as they are both beta 2 agonists working with the same receptors? im not understanding how the receptors would ever have a chance to "refresh"...I think the op should be taking ketofen while using clen so she could stay on longer but maybe I just don't understand, thanks...
    Ill leave this too Mike as well!

    It's my understanding that if supplementing keto while on a clen run it helps your receptors not build up a tolerance to the clen?!(I've never ran it but have researched it a bit)...

    If she cycles it two on And two off w/out keto I'm assuming that the Ephedrine/ECA stack would still be beneficial(but why)?? Even w/keto I'd think itd be more effective??

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    I'm not sure how to send pic!! Sorry n it's my legs that need to come down as well as my waist n coach drop my carbs significantly I'm tired n having the worst headache.. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    Ill leave this too Mike as well!

    It's my understanding that if supplementing keto while on a clen run it helps your receptors not build up a tolerance to the clen?!(I've never ran it but have researched it a bit)...

    If she cycles it two on And two off w/out keto I'm assuming that the Ephedrine/ECA stack would still be beneficial(but why)?? Even w/keto I'd think itd be more effective??
    I really don't know nach but mike competes so maybe in his experiences it dose work I have always thought that running two beta2 agonists back to back was pointless because they both effect the same receptors therefore not giving them any time to up regulate...

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    First to the lady, if your lower body is the issue you want to invest into Yohimbine HCL, it improves blood flow to the lower extremities and will assist in oxidizing fat tissue, it helps a lot especially woman...3mg twice a day would be great, i would take a brake from Clen for 2 weeks if time allows and then go on higher dose of 100mcg 2 times per day...upwards of 120mcg if you can handle the sides...

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    Now to the gentelman...i use that term loosely...LOL...just kidding gents...

    Clen direct interact with beta-2 receptor, where as Ephedrine does not directly effect beta-2 receptor and its affinity to it is rather poor...its actually exhibits most of its effects through release of noradrenaline from sympathetic nerve terminals. Noradrenaline then interacts with muscle and fat cells as a nonspecific adrenergic agonist what that means is that noradrenaline activates beta-2 receptors, but also other beta-receptors as well as alpha-receptor. Also Clen is very supresive to beta-2 receptor where as ephedrine is not thous still allowing a sensitivity to recover even thou the body still has increased fat burning activity.

    I hope this makes sense...you guy have actually made me think about this one for a second...LOL...but i knew there was a reason...and it does work in practice as well as i have used clen a few time, however i do not like it and prefer to use E/C stack for my fat loss goals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL View Post
    Now to the gentelman...i use that term loosely...LOL...just kidding gents...

    Clen direct interact with beta-2 receptor, where as Ephedrine does not directly effect beta-2 receptor and its affinity to it is rather poor...its actually exhibits most of its effects through release of noradrenaline from sympathetic nerve terminals. Noradrenaline then interacts with muscle and fat cells as a nonspecific adrenergic agonist what that means is that noradrenaline activates beta-2 receptors, but also other beta-receptors as well as alpha-receptor. Also Clen is very supresive to beta-2 receptor where as ephedrine is not thous still allowing a sensitivity to recover even thou the body still has increased fat burning activity.

    I hope this makes sense...you guy have actually made me think about this one for a second...LOL...but i knew there was a reason...and it does work in practice as well as i have used clen a few time, however i do not like it and prefer to use E/C stack for my fat loss goals...
    thank you for taking the time to explain brother I appreciate it..i learned something today, sweet....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL View Post
    Now to the gentelman...i use that term loosely...LOL...just kidding gents...

    Clen direct interact with beta-2 receptor, where as Ephedrine does not directly effect beta-2 receptor and its affinity to it is rather poor...its actually exhibits most of its effects through release of noradrenaline from sympathetic nerve terminals. Noradrenaline then interacts with muscle and fat cells as a nonspecific adrenergic agonist what that means is that noradrenaline activates beta-2 receptors, but also other beta-receptors as well as alpha-receptor. Also Clen is very supresive to beta-2 receptor where as ephedrine is not thous still allowing a sensitivity to recover even thou the body still has increased fat burning activity.

    I hope this makes sense...you guy have actually made me think about this one for a second...LOL...but i knew there was a reason...and it does work in practice as well as i have used clen a few time, however i do not like it and prefer to use E/C stack for my fat loss goals...
    Awesome explanation! Though I didn't have the terminology that you used, this what I was thinking(minus the "big words" lol)...

    Thx Mike... Always learning something on here that's for sure!
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    Okay.. Still doing my Anavar 20mcg n Clen daily at 90 mcg. Without Keto.. I can't get it can I use Benadryl n how much? What do u suggest? Im suppose to Step in Stage in three weeks. My problem is only like 7 pounds n really my legs are muscular. I am not far from where I need to be but I do look muscular.. LOL thanks a bunch

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    Ar-r dot Com. One of our site sponsors.

    They sell keto and can ship anywhere

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    I dont think Keto will help at this point, also if you keep taking the clen it is not doing anything any more, sorry thats the fact...i already stated what you should do and thats drop the clen, besides you did not use enough of a effective dose you used it too long and your beta-2 receptor is likely burned out...Benadryl will not do anything as your receptor is already desensitized...Anavar dose is ok, i would switch the Ephedrine and Caffeine for last 3 week and make sure you nail the carb up, but this being bikini probably not that important really...good luck...

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    Thanks Mike XX.. Will def try this and I guess our bodies react differently. One more thing will you use clen during peak week?

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    yes you can but only till about tuesday same for caffeine and ephedrine due to insulin sensitivity inpact these items cause, making ti very difficult to carb up...

    Bio-Chemistry and physics rules apply to all, some of these rules apply to all and not just some...i have my way, some other trainers have theirs, i am not going to knock other peoples training methods, but i have a lot of customers that hire me for a reason...

    Good luck to you and let us know how you make out please...

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    I got my keto yay!! But its liquid. How much should i take? N Yes, Mike can I PM do you have bikini girl experience? N lets talk

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    My wife has competed 17 times ranging from fitness, to figure twice at Nationals and once at World Championships...i have been her coach for all shows, if you look around here i am sure her pics are here somewhere...so the answer is yes, i have worked with quite a few woman over the years, most of my clients request confidentiality due to the nature of our sport so unfortunatly can not drop names...LOL...i do not know on Keto as i dont really buy its feasibility some one might have input, its sleep time or i would research it quick for you but its been a long day...

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    Can't speak for clen , but I know with albuterol, the suggested dosing is 1mg. Take it at night, it will make you drowsy

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    Awesomess n def will like to message and talk prep.. Okay I know it's late but I'm 2 n half weeks out. My coach is going to add winsdtrol.. I'm bikini and I was told by a judge my quads/legs are pretty big. I am getting off anavar n he will keep me on Clen n add a few dosages of winsdtrol. Will I drop any weight?

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    I honestly dont know, the best thing to do at this point is follow your coach, if you dont like the results you can always hire a next person...i hate to jump in the middle of someone elses prep, i am sure there is a method to his madness, its just not my method...post a picture adn then i can tell you if i think you are ready or not to ease your mind if you want...

    Good luck! most important atribute is confidance so make sure you believe in the process and yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat
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    is 11-Keto similar or the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinafit View Post
    do you have bikini girl experience?
    You should see Mike in a bikini. It's impressive.
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    Now i am beginning to think you might be my neighbor as not many people know i wear them... :-p and look good in them too...

    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    You should see Mike in a bikini. It's impressive.

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    strike that picture from my mind!!!

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    Yes, progress pic tomorrow I promise... Cardio for now ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mind&muscle
    is 11-Keto similar or the same?
    Don't know. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinafit
    Awesomess n def will like to message and talk prep.. Okay I know it's late but I'm 2 n half weeks out. My coach is going to add winsdtrol.. I'm bikini and I was told by a judge my quads/legs are pretty big. I am getting off anavar n he will keep me on Clen n add a few dosages of winsdtrol. Will I drop any weight?
    Water weight from dropping the var! Not sure what winny gonna do for ya in next 2.5 weeks. I thought it takes 5 weeks to show!?!?!?

    Just do what the coach says. I haven't run winny myself but would to someday.

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    Correction. Winny is only 2 weeks. Not 5. Making more sense now

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    Here it goes .. Tht was last night I got a refeed. We added winny! I can't see any changes and at this point it's all mental gotta keep pushing two weeks out! Let me know what to think .. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge
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    your upper body is cut. looking good girl!!! I am excited for you!!!! Keep us posted. the bikini. looks like bombshell fitness attire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinafit View Post
    Here it goes .. Tht was last night I got a refeed. We added winny! I can't see any changes and at this point it's all mental gotta keep pushing two weeks out! Let me know what to think .. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge
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    Ok you look on point, just follow qhat your coach tells you and nail the show...good luck...

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    Thanks.. It means a lot n yes gotta work on hammies n bring down legs just a lil.. Will kee u posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinafit View Post
    Thanks.. It means a lot n yes gotta work on hammies n bring down legs just a lil.. Will kee u posted
    Looking ready imo... You have some time to lean out a lil... But overall your in a good place!

    Make sure you exude the confidence you need while up there!

    Best of luck moving forward - you will do well!!!!

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