Mike xxl eca stack with Yohimbine

[GirlyGymRat]

I know this is posted in wrong area but mike xxl hangs out here.

What's your ECA stack or ECA modification with Yohimbine. I can't put my finger on this but I have seen u mention in others post.

Sometimes u recommend Yohimbine for lower body fat loss. Please elaborate.

What would u recommend for waist loss. (this is my hateful area or overly gifted in tummy to put on that positive spin :P) No hips or chunky thighs on this girly. I've had to squat and hip thrust my way to a tiny but fuller booty. Just not genetically gifted in hip area. Legs are amazing , so I've been told. LoL

But that damn mid section!

[MIKE_XXL]

Yohimbine HCL increase blood flow to fat located in lower extremities, which is fat tissue located in the area that is harder to oxidize, because woman carry a lot of their body fat in the lower extremities Yohimbe can increase the fat burning in the stubborn areas. What i do with my female athletes is Ephedrine 20mg / Caffeine / Yohimbine HCL 3mg all of them 2 times a day, generally run it the length of show prep...i hope this answers your question, if you need anything more please let me know...

[GirlyGymRat]

Thank you. Caffeine at 20mg??? How late in day should I be taking my second dose? I can drink a cup of coffee and go straight to bed but don't want to mess with my beauty rest. I am not show prep. How long can I run? What is your protocol for time on and time off? This girly has a little bit of fat on my inner thighs and nothing on my hips and very little on thighs. No cellulite on this girl. I have had to squat my way to bigger booty. (Flat butt genetics thanks to my dad.). But I have this damn lower tummy thing going on. I had a hysterectomy to remove 2 ginormous fibrous tumors and doc had to cut my stomach, internally, from low bikini line to navel. The HRT drugs packed on 10 lbs of ugliness to this same area. I loose weight from extremities first. Tummy LAST. I am also diabetic (controlled with meds) so insulin resistance is another little issue that weighs against me. Will this stack work for fat in my problem tummy area??? I have been lifting more recently and I am starting to notice a change in my upper abs. I am also running 20 anavar split and 30 primo. It seems to be taking hold. My muscles are harder. More vascularity in extremities. A little bit of water but I try to flush that out with 1 hour of cardio EOD. Can I / should I stack with existing cycle? I am 6 weeks into cycle. I planned to run winny but it wasn't winny!

[MIKE_XXL]

Opps 200mg, sorry...i do first dose upon wakening and then 6 to 8 hours later...I would say the blood supply to the area you are referring to is poor, there for yohimbine HCL would help, i would say go ahead and add it to your cycle...i would also say, if you are not already doing it, to eat just fats and protein for breakfast...no carbs in this meal, this will keep you in a fat burning zone longer, what kind of cardio are you doing HIIT or steady state? Are you eating somwhat low carbs and how much and how often do you use insulin, what kind? You should also add Tabata once a week into your regiment, its only 4 minute workout but stimulates metabolic rate for upto 72 hours...if i missed anything let me know, i am exhausted today and i still have to go to work...ohh and i am out of ephedrine...its going to be a long night...

Some of this might seem elementary but i want to make sure all the basics are covered...

[GirlyGymRat]

Opps 200mg, sorry...i do first dose upon wakening and then 6 to 8 hours later...I would say the blood supply to the area you are referring to is poor, there for yohimbine HCL would help, i would say go ahead and add it to your cycle...i would also say, if you are not already doing it, to eat just fats and protein for breakfast...no carbs in this meal, this will keep you in a fat burning zone longer, what kind of cardio are you doing HIIT or steady state? Are you eating somwhat low carbs and how much and how often do you use insulin, what kind? You should also add Tabata once a week into your regiment, its only 4 minute workout but stimulates metabolic rate for upto 72 hours...if i missed anything let me know, i am exhausted today and i still have to go to work...ohh and i am out of ephedrine...its going to be a long night... Some of this might seem elementary but i want to make sure all the basics are covered...

I'ld rather be thorough.

For breakfast I have 1 or 2 eggs with half avocado or just one egg or just cottage cheese or a Dannon 2x protein yogurt. Seems u support the egg and avocado the best.

I am carb sensitive so I try to stay below 30 net carbs per day. Or 50 carbs total with 20 from fiber. I have a lot of issues with no poo. I need to find a good probiotic. Days and days and days with no poo unless I eat gluten then it gets messy. I have slowly been removing most gluten from diet. As soon as I eat gluten I bloat. Yesterday I had a bagel (Cheat meal). I am terribly bloated today.

I am taking Victoza once daily in am. No insulin. VictoZa is an sub q injectable. Removed my evening carb binges. It is being prescribed in much higher dosage to help morbid obese as well as ppl with diabetes. It replaced metformin.

Cardio only days are cycle class 2x per week Tonight we did tabata intervals. High climbs. Jumps. Speed intervals with no resistance. Varies depending on instructor.

The other day is 60 minutes on stair master. Not stepper but master. I use the fat burning or interval training presets.

I do 20-30 minutes on treadmill after weights. Mostly incline. Sometimes I run but I am not a fan of running indoors.

If u don't mind, I am curious on macro split you would recommend. I feel I could benefit from mod protein, mod to high fat and low carbs. Just not sure what that split would look like. 40/40/20 p/c/f. 30/50/20?

[kelkel]

Interesting stuff on Yohimbine. This backs up the need for the lower dose as you suggested:

Yohimbine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

[MIKE_XXL]

I will have to get back to this tomorrow when i have a bit more time i am off to work right now, thanks!

[MIKE_XXL]

I am still wrapping my head around this, one thing i want you to do for me is measure your temperature next 3 days right upon awakening...this will let us know where your thyroid is at for optimum fat burning...

For you the macro split would be best of to keep in area of 30/50/20 to keep carbs down...cardio seems ok, i like HIIT the most might want incorpoorate that, the best about it is the amount of time investment is smaller....

[PrettyPlease?]

Yohimbine HCL increase blood flwo to brown fat, which is fat tissue that is harder to oxidize, because woman carry a lot of their body fat in the lower extremities Yohimbe can increase the fat burning in the stubborn areas. What i do with my female athletes is Ephedrin 20mg / Caffeine / Yohimbine HCL 3mg all of them 2 times a day, generally run it the length of show prep...i hope this answers your question, if you need anything more please let me know...

Hmmm. This is contrary to everything I have ever understood about brown fat. It has been taught that adults don't really have brown fat because we carry so little of it and what we do have is usually centered around the neck and the collarbones. Also brown fat to my knowledge expends energy in the form of heat which is why it is found in newborns (their do not have muscle developed enough to keep them warm).

[MIKE_XXL]

Hmmm. This is contrary to everything I have ever understood about brown fat. It has been taught that adults don't really have brown fat because we carry so little of it and what we do have is usually centered around the neck and the collarbones. Also brown fat to my knowledge expends energy in the form of heat which is why it is found in newborns (their do not have muscle developed enough to keep them warm).

Interesting, i will have to have a look at it, either way Yohimbine HCL increase blood flow to lower extremities where woman tend to store extra BF...perhaps my terminology use of "brown fat" is incorrect here, i will have to research into this, what do you know even old dogs like me can learn new things :-) Thank you for bring this up to me...

I have edited my post and removed the reference to brow fat, as it not correct terminology to use here, the rest of the concenpt is sound, just miss use of the term...thank you again for bring it up...

[GirlyGymRat]

I am still wrapping my head around this, one thing i want you to do for me is measure your temperature next 3 days right upon awakening...this will let us know where your thyroid is at for optimum fat burning... For you the macro split would be best of to keep in area of 30/50/20 to keep carbs down...cardio seems ok, i like HIIT the most might want incorpoorate that, the best about it is the amount of time investment is smaller....

I forgot to measure my temperature. I am not even sure I have a thermometer. My thyroid has been tested and was in range.

My body temp run lower in general. At 98.6 I am running a fever. With my luck, lower temp means less fat burning???

[MIKE_XXL]

97.6 is the starting range for healthy thyroid function...anything lower then that could mean Hypothyroidism...its a good easy way to determine if one has a thyroid issue...i think most of the things you are doing are correct, i would stick to no carbs on breakfast, add yohimbine HCL into the mix and switch some of the cardio in to HIIT. from here i would see what happens, might be enough of changes to melt that small amount of fat off...i dont want to make any changes to drastic due to your diabetes...the meds they have you on are better then insulin, in my opinion, as they simply improve insulin sensitivity and do not increase the amount of insulin in your body, which as a storage peptide hormone and could interfere with fat loss...

[GirlyGymRat]

97.6 is the starting range for healthy thyroid function...anything lower then that could mean Hypothyroidism...its a good easy way to determine if one has a thyroid issue...i think most of the things you are doing are correct, i would stick to no carbs on breakfast, add yohimbine HCL into the mix and switch some of the cardio in to HIIT. from here i would see what happens, might be enough of changes to melt that small amount of fat off...i dont want to make any changes to drastic due to your diabetes...the meds they have you on are better then insulin, in my opinion, as they simply improve insulin sensitivity and do not increase the amount of insulin in your body, which as a storage peptide hormone and could interfere with fat loss...

Thank you for the advice and insight. I am ordering the ingredients and will start as soon as arrive. I am going to add the avocado back into breakfast and tweak macros and meal plans slightly.

I will revised some of my treadmill sessions to hiit.

I'll let u know. Thanks much!!!

[MIKE_XXL]

You are more then welcome...keep me posted..

Thank you for the advice and insight. I am ordering the ingredients and will start as soon as arrive. I am going to add the avocado back into breakfast and tweak macros and meal plans slightly.

I will revised some of my treadmill sessions to hiit.

I'll let u know. Thanks much!!!

[GirlyGymRat]

Yohimbine HCL in route. Ephedrine shipped! Caffeine in hand.

I have been reading about members feeling 'like on speed" with Yohimbine. There dosages are much higher. Be interesting to see how this works.

I see a specialist for blood sugar mgt he is also a weight mgmt specialist. His input is very very different. He wants me to eat very little fat. Only fibrous veggies. Lots of cardio. No weights.low calories 800 a day. Says my body is hoarding the fat. He believes my cortisol levels are high. I do have high stress position. Idk. Just getting overwhelmed with input.

[PrettyPlease?]

Yohimbine HCL in route. Ephedrine shipped! Caffeine in hand.

I have been reading about members feeling 'like on speed" with Yohimbine. There dosages are much higher. Be interesting to see how this works.

I see a specialist for blood sugar mgt he is also a weight mgmt specialist. His input is very very different. He wants me to eat very little fat. Only fibrous veggies. Lots of cardio. No weights.low calories 800 a day. Says my body is hoarding the fat. He believes my cortisol levels are high. I do have high stress position. Idk. Just getting overwhelmed with input.

Not sure I necessarily agree with his approach. Very Low calorie Diets need are usually reserved for morbidly obese and she be done under a doctor's supervision. If he thinks your cortisol levels are high why not have them tested?

Also just watch the BP on yohimbine.

[GirlyGymRat]

Not sure I necessarily agree with his approach. Very Low calorie Diets need are usually reserved for morbidly obese and she be done under a doctor's supervision. If he thinks your cortisol levels are high why not have them tested? Also just watch the BP on yohimbine.

Blood was drawn. I hope he ordered that test. I am on cycle too so I think HDL with be high from primo and anavar. Yes I didn't share. LoL

I don't agree neither. If I wasnt a member here maybe I would be more agreeable. He does treat morbidly obesity. I would hope he would know to treat me differently.

[MIKE_XXL]

ouch on the 800 calorie diet, my wife is 145lbs at about 12-14% and she eats 1500cal a day while still loosing weight, that using over the counter fat burner of EC stack, no thyroid, no hGH...800cal seems very extreme, the problem with this aproach is metabolic damage that is hard to reverse once the diet stops...

That being said wish you luck and keep us posted...

[GirlyGymRat]

ouch on the 800 calorie diet, my wife is 145lbs at about 12-14% and she eats 1500cal a day while still loosing weight, that using over the counter fat burner of EC stack, no thyroid, no hGH...800cal seems very extreme, the problem with this aproach is metabolic damage that is hard to reverse once the diet stops... That being said wish you luck and keep us posted...

I was once losing at 1600 too but then not at 1500, 1350....

800 It's not gonna work for me. I tried. I can't lift and cardio on 800 cals. Too fatigued. I upped calories to 1000 and then 1200 and gained 3 lbs.
thus my reason for reaching out to you for this stack. .

I have stabilized again and dropped one whole pound in one who month. But meals calories dropping too. Inconsistent in daily calories would about sum it up.

A wise man keeps telling me to stay the course. Eventually this stubborn fat will realize I am not giving up. It's frustrating. Very very much so. I have to protect against throwing in the towel. I don't weight myself anymore bc messes with my psyche.

Ephedrine should have been delivered today. Ready to start!

[MIKE_XXL]

I wish i got to work with you at the beginning, or at the least give you some guidance regardless of who your coach is...those are some crazy low calories, do you ever just go all out and have a astronomical cheat meal, or is your diabetes prohibiting you from that kind of a sinful and pleasant experience?

it sounds to me like you need to reset your metabolism through some serious over eating, i know i said that before, but what is your morning temperature, i know you say you run a fever at 98.6 but just curious...my wife just got down to 96.9 and we will introduce 12.5mcg of T3 to bring it back up to the norm or slightly above...

keep us posted on your progress...

I was once losing at 1600 too but then not at 1500, 1350....

800 It's not gonna work for me. I tried. I can't lift and cardio on 800 cals. Too fatigued. I upped calories to 1000 and then 1200 and gained 3 lbs.
thus my reason for reaching out to you for this stack. .

I have stabilized again and dropped one whole pound in one who month. But meals calories dropping too. Inconsistent in daily calories would about sum it up.

A wise man keeps telling me to stay the course. Eventually this stubborn fat will realize I am not giving up. It's frustrating. Very very much so. I have to protect against throwing in the towel. I don't weight myself anymore bc messes with my psyche.

Ephedrine should have been delivered today. Ready to start!

[GirlyGymRat]

I found a thermometer. I took my temperature after drinking coffee mid morning. It was 98.4. I will take it first thing upon waking tomorrow and let u know.

I try to minimize cheat meals. If I do eat poorly several days in a row, I can feel my sugar elevating. Sometime have the other problem. If I don't eat enough for an extended period of time, i start to feel like I am going to fall out. Sometimes my vision in one eye starts to get wavy. It is quickly reversed with food. This doesn't happen often but has in the last few months when I was running on empty.

My diabetes is so much better then it was about 6 years ago. Now I just can't seem to shed this 10 lbs. I gained it last year during an incredible stressful 3 months. I spare u the details. I only recently let go of the baggage but even now if someone inquires. the stress and emotions elevate. It was awful.

The good news is my Daisy Dukes are fitting better but still too tight. Even tho weight up, body is recomposition so that's good.

[GirlyGymRat]

Temp 96.8

[MIKE_XXL]

So it is slightly below what it should be which is 97.6 about a degree, well 0.8 to be precise..i know you said you had your thyroid checked, how long ago was it....

[GirlyGymRat]

So it is slightly below what it should be which is 97.6 about a degree, well 0.8 to be precise..i know you said you had your thyroid checked, how long ago was it....

October I believe. It was normal before and after I ran a t3/Clen cycle.

[MIKE_XXL]

hmm i would perhaps get it tested again, my wife is at 96.8 and we will introduce 12.5mcg of T3 to keep her progress moving forward...

[GirlyGymRat]

hmm i would perhaps get it tested again, my wife is at 96.8 and we will introduce 12.5mcg of T3 to keep her progress moving forward...

I will post up the next 2 days as well. Doc took BW but not sure if included thyroid.

Edit. Forgot to say thankyou!

[GirlyGymRat]

96.3 degrees this morning :/

[GirlyGymRat]

Spent last 20 min looking at hypothyroidism symptoms. Will need to get tested. Be shocked if I do have it. My thyroid has been tested several times by previous doctor and always normal. I've been fatigued lately.

The trial run of ECY stack one am dose. I felt it! I LIKED it!

[RaginCajun]

96.3 degrees this morning :/

need to be heated up?

[GirlyGymRat]

need to be heated up?

Apparently. Srsly tho I do have majority of symptoms. Maybe thyroid is low?!?! I know I have been frustrated with lack of weight change.

[GirlyGymRat]

96.3 degrees this morning :/

97.0 degrees this morning

[MIKE_XXL]

Measure one more day and if its below 97.6 have it checked again, i wouldnt be to surprised if it was slightly suppressed...

Might only need 12.5mcg per day to bring it into range...as you are not that far out of it...

Keep us posted.

[uhit]

Spent last 20 min looking at hypothyroidism symptoms. Will need to get tested. Be shocked if I do have it. My thyroid has been tested several times by previous doctor and always normal. I've been fatigued lately.

The trial run of ECY stack one am dose. I felt it! I LIKED it!

Is it like a coffee rush? I might give it a go to help me with my recovery

[GirlyGymRat]

Is it like a coffee rush? I might give it a go to help me with my recovery

It's more like speed to burn fat.

I had to modify the dosage slightly with Ephedrine 25 mg, caffeine 200 mg and yohimbine @ 2.5 mg.

I have lost 2.5 lbs in the last 3 days but don't think it is all bc of the stack. I haven't been eating regularly due to life still upside down.
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[uhit]

It's more like speed to burn fat.

I had to modify the dosage slightly with Ephedrine 25 mg, caffeine 200 mg and yohimbine @ 2.5 mg.

I have lost 2.5 lbs in the last 3 days but don't think it is all bc of the stack. I haven't been eating regularly due to life still upside down.
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Cheers for that GGR. I'll see how it goes for you and make a decision for myself.
Hopefully things get better for you!

[GirlyGymRat]

Subbed. Cheers for that GGR. I'll see how it goes for you and make a decision for myself. Hopefully things get better for you!

I am down 3 lbs in as many days. There's some other factors too...haven't been sleeping enough.

[GirlyGymRat]

With sleep aid rested 9 hrs therefore this is a mid morning reading @ 97.6 I will post up tomorrow's when back to the grind. Weight down another pound today.

[hawk14dl]

Dang ggr, sounds like the weight is melting off.

Hopefully it's melting from the right places?

[MIKE_XXL]

Ok glad to hear the temp is back up to where it needs to be, thats why its always averages of the temp that i am in interested in and not just 1 day as there are so many variables in day to day life to regulate the body temperature...

I am sorry about your personal life not going the way it should, i have been sleeping an average 4-5 hours per day for few weeks now and know what impact it has on me and my performance in the gym as well as my physique...my life has been complicated last little bit as well which does not help either...so i know what you mean, i have dropped from 210lbs to 198lbs and last i checked my abs are not any more visible, so i know its muscle fulness, i got to get my sh!t together again, its been a rough ride for last 9 month for me...

So hang in there and keep doing what you are doing and keep us updated...we are here for you...

[GirlyGymRat]

Dang ggr, sounds like the weight is melting off. Hopefully it's melting from the right places?

It's awesome. fat is mostly on tummy and little on upper inner thighs.

I've thought about tummy fat sucked out of gut and transferred to the hips. But seems wrong to reposition fat to the hips. Me no curvy silhouette from behind.

Boobs are going down too- got plenty of curves there!