I am looking for help with ripping down my ab region, a little back ground info. I am 31 years old, have been lifting off and on since High School and have only experimented with cycling the past couple of years, I am 6 ft 1 inch tall, and weigh 236, currently no cycling, i have been as high as 269 cycling hard and as low as 212 dieting hard, but have lost just as much, if not more muscle than fat. I have tried thermogenics such as Ripped Fuel, Charge, and hydroxycuts, in conjuction with Clomid, Clen, and Cynomel, but can't rip out in the mid region, especially my obliques. My arms, chest, and legs rip out fine, but not my mid section. I donot have a huge bloat, but have never been ripped. I try to diet hard when ripping down, but always seem tired and weak and can't work out hard, Can anyone help?????