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  1. 09-19-2004, 04:10 PM #1
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    I hope you people dont mind if I post up around this forum for a bit

    Fo me to start learning about cutting

    Ive spent the better part of my life in the gym learning about different lifting techniques for growth and size purely to get as big as I can...now in 3 months my cycle will be over and after talking with some of my closest friends on here ive decided to cut and try to maintain as much muscle as I can in the process. I will be asking alot of questions but I need to know where to start. I look forward to spending alot of time in the diet section to learn all that I can so that when the time to cut is upon me..I wont have the "deer stuck in the headlights look" I'd really like to see what I look like underneath this layer of extra padding..thanks in advance for your help


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    Uh oh mass is here

    This might help you a little too..

    Diet and cardio are the 2 most important elements to shedding body fat. Its important that when you decide to start cutting you do cardio 5-7 days a week, in the morning on an empty stomach for 45-60 minutes. Your heart rate should remaind between 60-70%.

    On Cardio/Lifting days diet goes as follows:


    *Before Cardio Take Glutamine
    **Take your ECA/ECY/Thermo now if you choose to do so

    Cardio 45-60mins

    m1(approx 30-40 mins after cardio):
    Pro/Fat: 1 6-8oz piece of lean meat or egg whites/1oz almonds(usually 28 almonds). Thats about 50g of protein/15g of fat.

    m2:Pro/Fat Lean Meat, 2 tablespoons of natural peanut butter. Approx. 50g of protein and 15g of fat.

    m3: Pro/Fat 2 Scoops of whey and 1 tablespoon flaxseed oil. Approx. 50g of Protein and 15g of fat.

    -workout-

    m4(PWO): 1 scoop of whey, 1/3 cup of dextrose. Approx. 25g protein/50g carb

    m5(PPWO): 6-8oz Lean Meat(NOT STEAK OR SALMON), and half a cup of brown rice. Approx 50 protein/35carb

    m6(before bed): 2 scoops whey, 1 teaspoon glutamine powder, 1 tablespoon of flaxseed oil.


    Cardio Only Days (Follow the food outline from above for your sources of EFA's(essential fatty acids) and protein:

    Cardio 45-60mins
    m1: Pro/Fat
    m2: Pro/Fat
    m3: Pro/Fat (optional Pro/Carb)
    m4: Pro/Fat
    m5: Pro/Fat

    Lifting Only Days:

    m1: Pro/Fat
    m2: Pro/Fat
    m3: Pro/Fat
    -Workout-
    m4(PWO): Pro/Dex
    m5(PPWO): Pro/Carb
    m6: Pro/Fat


    Your source of protein can be chicken, tuna, lean ground beef, turkey or egg whites(eggs). Steak and salmon can also be used but not in PPWO meal.

    Cheat one meal, once a week don’t overdue it.
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    Hell ya I mind........ GTFO biatch


    LOL glad to see ya in here
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanMeOut
    Hell ya I mind........ GTFO biatch


    LOL glad to see ya in here

    You woke up LMO, great job mass.
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    first things first..post your current diet so it can be critiqued
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass junkie

    PS...Im reading the stickies now

    Have I told you recently that I <3 you ??
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    My current diet
    Meal1
    8 egg whites/ 1 yolk scrammbled
    1 cup oats w/ honey (if ya want to add some flavor)
    2 slices whole wheat toast w/ natty pb
    8-12 oz of water minimum

    Meal2
    3/4 to 1 lb lean red (ground chuck, steak, hamburger aslong as it's lean)
    1 cup green leafy veggies
    1/2 apple or 1/2 cup rice

    Meal3
    2 cans tuna w/ 1-2 tablespoons of mayo
    side salad w/vinigarette

    Meal4
    2 chicken breasts
    1 cup green leafy veggie
    1/2 cup cottage cheese

    Meal5
    fish, chicken, turkey breast, lean red meat
    1/2 cup green leafy veggies
    1/2 to 1 cup rice

    Meal6
    PWO shake 40-60g protein/ 80g carbs

    Meal7
    (PWO1) 2 chicken breasts
    1 1/2 cup rice

    Meal8
    (PWO2) 1 can tuna or chicken or even egg white omolette
    1/2 to 1 cup cottage cheese

    as clean as possible...I know its alot of food but at 5'6 248 pounds I need all the protein I can to keep promoting muscle growth... its been ramped up starting from 5000 calories a day...keep in mind that I said im bulking
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    It's going to be an interesting transition from bulk to cut..... how soon do you want to start cutting? If I were you I would cut while on cycle.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanMeOut
    It's going to be an interesting transition from bulk to cut..... how soon do you want to start cutting? If I were you I would cut while on cycle.....
    Id like to wait untill a month after im done with pct..because im still gonna ramp up on calories after pct .....PCT is very rough for me I dont know about you guys but pychologically it plays hell on me...I even dissapear from the boards for a couple of weeks thats how bad it is...so thats why I threw out the notion of a month after pct is complete..dam bro I can only handle so much
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    fVck thats alot of food bro!

    you're mixing fats with carbs though...bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass junkie
    Id like to wait untill a month after im done with pct..because im still gonna ramp up on calories after pct .....PCT is very rough for me I dont know about you guys but pychologically it plays hell on me...I even dissapear from the boards for a couple of weeks thats how bad it is...so thats why I threw out the notion of a month after pct is complete..dam bro I can only handle so much


    Honestly Mass I wouldn't cut after PCT...... you are already in a state of catabolism during PCT and that is just asking for more muscle loss. You might want to consider bulking a little longer while on cycle, then cut while on cycle as well, and then eat maintenace during PCT. It is up to you, but at your size and after just completing PCT I would say some muscle loss might occur even if your diet is 100% on. You might want to wait and see what SwoleCat has to say about this as he would know more than I would on this particular topic, but that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.
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    How much cardio do you do also right now Mass??

    If you choose the option I just said above, why not clean up the bulking diet to the max, and add 3 days of cardio with it to keep any excess fat from coming, and then when your ready to cut up the cardio to 6-7 days a week and start slowly lowering the cals. That might be a better option and it leaves room to start losing a little fat even while bulking. It all depends on your body though, because everyone is different in this aspect.
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    a month after pct is fine to start cutting.

    I'm going to take clen during pct so i can keep calories high and keep the fat gains to a minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(
    fVck thats alot of food bro!

    you're mixing fats with carbs though...bad
    Yeah no ****...it took awhile to get used to eating all that...and now I can actually eat more than that if i really wanted to..but I have to implement a little restraint

    Honestly Mass I wouldn't cut after PCT...... you are already in a state of catabolism during PCT and that is just asking for more muscle loss. You might want to consider bulking a little longer while on cycle, then cut while on cycle as well, and then eat maintenace during PCT. It is up to you, but at your size and after just completing PCT I would say some muscle loss might occur even if your diet is 100% on. You might want to wait and see what SwoleCat has to say about this as he would know more than I would on this particular topic, but that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.
    yeah im waiting for swoles imput as well

    How much cardio do you do also right now Mass??
    cardio is 3 times a week in the mornings before I eat anything...but only for 30 minutes on mon,wed,fri
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass junkie
    Yeah no ****...it took awhile to get used to eating all that...and now I can actually eat more than that if i really wanted to..but I have to implement a little restraint


    yeah im waiting for swoles imput as well


    cardio is 3 times a week in the mornings before I eat anything...but only for 30 minutes on mon,wed,fri

    Not bad......

    Yea I would wait for Swole's opinion because I remember talking to him about my buddy ending a cycle and wanting cut and he said it wasn't the best idea.....so I would definitely wait for swole's input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanMeOut
    Not bad......

    Yea I would wait for Swole's opinion because I remember talking to him about my buddy ending a cycle and wanting cut and he said it wasn't the best idea.....so I would definitely wait for swole's input.
    yeah but its defintely the time to cut... I find myself winded very easy and its getting harder to breathe..bro I cant even take off my own shirt..and if my wife is pissed at me she'll leave me their like a turtle flipped on my back...it sucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass junkie
    yeah but its defintely the time to cut... I find myself winded very easy and its getting harder to breathe..bro I cant even take off my own shirt..and if my wife is pissed at me she'll leave me their like a turtle flipped on my back...it sucks
    HAHAHAHAHA, that's funny....

    just wondering, how much bf do you think you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(
    HAHAHAHAHA, that's funny....

    just wondering, how much bf do you think you have?
    im def between 19 and 21..ive been checked in 4 different gyms...yeah i know its pretty high ...but thats why im here
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass junkie
    im def between 19 and 21..ive been checked in 4 different gyms...yeah i know its pretty high ...but thats why im here

    Well u came to the right place
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    Quote Originally Posted by slizzut
    Well u came to the right place
    Thanks brother...I know i am
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    What up bro.

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    Much success to you on your cutter mass.. hope you don't fell to small afterwards, when i was 230 i felt like a **** stick.
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    Mass, you've come to the right place for diet advice.
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    thats nothin man, you and your determination will cut thru that like BUTTER.

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    In terms of cardio at night... is it better to do it after my workout or before?
    Im just used to getting my pwo shake within 15 minutes after my workout
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass junkie
    In terms of cardio at night... is it better to do it after my workout or before?
    Im just used to getting my pwo shake within 15 minutes after my workout


    Do cardio in the morning...... if you absolutely can't do that then do cardio after you lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanMeOut
    Honestly Mass I wouldn't cut after PCT...... you are already in a state of catabolism during PCT and that is just asking for more muscle loss. You might want to consider bulking a little longer while on cycle, then cut while on cycle as well, and then eat maintenace during PCT. It is up to you, but at your size and after just completing PCT I would say some muscle loss might occur even if your diet is 100% on. You might want to wait and see what SwoleCat has to say about this as he would know more than I would on this particular topic, but that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.
    is there anything wrong with cutting during/after PCT?
    that is waht i was going to do, but with the use of clen/ ECA, along with glutamine and creatine to avoid catabolism
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    Quote Originally Posted by )(PimP JuicE)(
    a month after pct is fine to start cutting.

    I'm going to take clen during pct so i can keep calories high and keep the fat gains to a minimum.

    how about cutting during PCT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass junkie
    In terms of cardio at night... is it better to do it after my workout or before?
    Im just used to getting my pwo shake within 15 minutes after my workout
    Neither!

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Force
    how about cutting during PCT?

    How about your OWN thread you Bin Laden Hi-jacker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleCat
    How about your OWN thread you Bin Laden Hi-jacker!

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    how about you take a chill pill
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Force
    how about you take a chill pill
    The smiley next to my statement indicates I was kidding.

    Shove that pill --------------------- > (__!__)

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Force
    how about you take a chill pill

    sorry mate - i'm in a **** mood today

    almost had my first bout of roid rage earlier
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Force
    is there anything wrong with cutting during/after PCT?
    that is waht i was going to do, but with the use of clen/ ECA, along with glutamine and creatine to avoid catabolism

    take a hike! start your own thread man..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hung-solo
    take a hike! start your own thread man..



    its related to mass junkies situation - we are both doing the same thing

    answering my question is probably also goin to help him out
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Force


    its related to mass junkies situation - we are both doing the same thing

    answering my question is probably also goin to help him out
    no worries man
    thanks for the input fellas
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    LMAO....... is there ever one thread that goes on in this forum without someone taking a shot @ swole lol. WTF...... oh well Mass I hope you got the idea behind everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Force
    how about cutting during PCT?
    I would not cut during pct. im only taking the clen to keep off unwanted fat during pct so i will be able to keep my calories high....
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