Bulking Diet-Critique Please

[thegodfather]

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[thegodfather]

any help?

[YouCanDoIt]

It seems like you have most things taken care of. Ofcourse, you diet is very much contingent on your size and what you're trying to do. I'm assuming you're trying to bulk up (he he).
Thus, taking in almost 5000 calories sounds about right...If I was you, I'd post your stats (height, weight, BF %) to go along.

another thing...you speak of real food. Why do you take a soda after your work out?
if you want sugar and protein you can very well mix your protein powder with juice (a natural variety like grape, OJ (unless you're taking creatine), etc...) Soda is kind of crappy. Caffeine is nice though.

[thegodfather]

Yes the sodas for a pwo insulin spike...I dont think chocolate powder would taste all that great mixed with a fruit juice...maybe if i drink it along side it... Any other suggestions?

[YouCanDoIt]

I'm no dietitian, but everything looks good. In my humble opinion, everything will come down to working out. what kind of lifting/cardio regimen are you on?
Also, how big are you trying to get?

[thegodfather]

My training routine is posted here-

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=179809

[YouCanDoIt]

OK...seems you're on the right track.

[thegodfather]

Thanks for the replys youcandoit...anyone else care to give some input?

[Kärnfysikern]

well I wouldnt eat a peanutbutter sandwiched even while bulking since I would become fat as hell of that. One doesnt have to be as strickt separating carbs and fats while bulking but there is still some things imo that should be avoided.

I also notice that you are severly lacking in efa's. Except the peanutt butter but that realy isnt enough.

I dont know what is in Nlarge but if its only a protein powder(no added carbs)then I would add some flax and olive oil in the last meal. Mostly for health reasons. Eating a avacado during the day would also be a good idea. Adding some oil and cutting down a bit on the cheese on the tuna and cheese meal would be another idea.

Add dextrose/maltodextrine and remove soda in pwo meal.

Do you realy need all those carbs? I dont know what kind of metabolism you have but 500+grams of carbs and close to 5000kcal would make me fat very quickly

[Kärnfysikern]

ohh btw frozen spinach has more micronutrients. Canned veggies are shit most of the time.

[G-Force]

your bulking diet is similar to mine

i am currently on
pro: 360g
Carbs: 430g
Fat: 77g

i am trying to get as many carbs as poss, but was curious to see the "how to bulk" thread which recommended a Protein and carb ratio nearly of 2:1
eg.
420g pro
250g carb

what do you think Johan? ( i see you are a vet now, so i'll ask you_)

more or less carbs?

[Kärnfysikern]

lol dont take my word as law just because I am vet still got lots to learn about diet.

I think this comes down to what your body type can handle. But I aggre with the protein carb ratio. One thing to keep in mind is that if you decided to do a high carb diet then cut down alot on fat. Dont do both high fat and high carb that will lead to disaster.

Either bulk with plenty of carbs, plenty of protein and the right ammounts of efa's(20-30grams/day or so).
OR
Bulk with medium carbs, plenty protein and medium fat.

Looking at your avatar it looks that you are one big mofo and lean to so it looks like your diet is working

[Kärnfysikern]

I would bump upp protein 100grams and lower carbs 100 grams if I where you btw. Plenty of protein stimulates metabolism so its always good to boatload on it

[thegodfather]

Thanks for the info bro.... My metabolism is wicked so thats really whats nessecary for me to gain optimally. Fat gain really is none of my concern, I can afford it, and I can drop it easily.

[G-Force]

Thanks for the info bro.... My metabolism is wicked so thats really whats nessecary for me to gain optimally. Fat gain really is none of my concern, I can afford it, and I can drop it easily.

count yourself lucky
i wish i had that problem

[Kärnfysikern]

Thanks for the info bro.... My metabolism is wicked so thats really whats nessecary for me to gain optimally. Fat gain really is none of my concern, I can afford it, and I can drop it easily.

you are one lucky man bro I would still say add some flax and olive oil. Its always healthy to do so

[G-Force]

you are one lucky man bro I would still say add some flax and olive oil. Its always healthy to do so

Johan, do we need the same amount of omega 3's as omega 6's?

i'm currently getting about half of each but wandered if we required one more than the other?

[Kärnfysikern]

a optimal ratio is 1:1 betwen omega 3 and 6 as far as I can tell.

[niXon)(]

curious, what would 4 scoops of nlarge = in calories?

[G-Force]

curious, what would 4 scoops of nlarge = in calories?

have you tried reading the back of the tub?


does anyone know the ideal ratio of carbs/pro/fat for bulking?

at the moment i am eating
carbs 50%
pro 40%
Fat 10%

finding it pretty effective too, with little change in my bodyfat

[thegodfather]

4 scoops=1 serving... which comes to

580 calories...of course you probably will never absorb that much in one sitting, but hey your bulking, the more the merrier...


Johan...would you say Udos Choice oil would be good to cover all those things mentioned?

[Kärnfysikern]

I am not to familiar with udo's choooise. I hear its real good but I have never taken a look at it and the proportiones of oils in it. WAY to expensive for me.

Hemp oil is one of the natural oils with the best fatty acid balance.

[niXon)(]

have you tried reading the back of the tub?

Obviously not Mr. Smart A$$.

[G-Force]

Obviously not Mr. Smart A$$.