are you really telling me this diet wont work?

**vestax** · 02-23-2006, 06:30 PM

Do you guys feel hungry when your cutting? I think I am eating too much I constantly have to force food in my mouth throughout the day. Are you REALLY telling me that I wont lose weight this way:

AM CARDIO ELLIPTICAL (45 mins)

50g oatmeal 50g protein powder

-2hrs later-

25g oatmeal 50g protein powder

WEIGHTS

PWO dextrose 25g protein powder 50g

-1hr later-

chicken & brown rice (25p 25c)

-2hrs later-

protein shake 25g protein 15g flax seed oil

SLEEP

adds up to:

125g carbs
175g protein
15g fat

roughly: 1400 calories give or take

my BMR is like 1800 calories and so I am creating a deficit of 1100 calories every day. Whenever I up the cals like the board recommends I feel like I just keep gaining muscle but not losing any fat. It's driving me crazy....is it possible that my BMR is lower than average?

Thanks everyone for your help its just nothings been working

**vestax** · 02-23-2006, 07:07 PM

bump?

**steve0** · 02-23-2006, 07:16 PM

weres the fat dude ??? you need way more EFA's in this thing

**steve0** · 02-23-2006, 07:17 PM

and another thing whats the deal with all the shakes ??? you cant live off water and powder you need more complete protein live eggs,fish,chicken,meat,ect

**vestax** · 02-23-2006, 07:29 PM

Honestly bro I can eat that and I'm not hungry in the least I have to squeeze it all in. How can this diet not work? I don't understand...all these berstein & atkins etc diets are soooo low in calories and peoples lose tons of weight.

**steve0** · 02-23-2006, 07:36 PM

you shoud only have 1 or two shakes a day mainly after workout because of there fast absorbstion there designed to be broken down quick and easy and leave your stomach in about 30 mins, there fore you cannot live off protein pwder look at the cutting sticky man it dosnt get and easy'er than that

**hawktribal** · 02-23-2006, 07:37 PM

1400 calories? you gotta be starving yourself, that's not enough for one of the olsen twins

**vestax** · 02-23-2006, 08:03 PM

I'm going by the cutting sticky....I even shortened it a little bit...I can't figure out why but I am never hungry on this diet so far. It's driving me insane I thought you were supposed to be starving while cutting?

**TR'05** · 02-23-2006, 09:24 PM

That amazes me. Only taking in 1400 calories you will definately lose some serious weight...my guess is a seriously large amount of it being in the form on lean muscle. Up the cals big time. You also wanna shoot for something like 50g protein/half a cup of dex post workout.

**TR'05** · 02-23-2006, 09:24 PM

2:1 ratio protein to dex

**IronReload04** · 02-23-2006, 10:01 PM

thats alot of powder. imo, one should never depend on powder. solid protein imo has great thermogenic effects. i am taking in 400 grams of protein, 300 through solid food, and im cutting just fine

**FranKieC** · 02-23-2006, 10:34 PM

Bro eat some more solid foods. You also need more EFA's up in there.

**FranKieC** · 02-23-2006, 10:34 PM

BTW I would start wih like a 4-500 cal deficit not 700

**IronReload04** · 02-23-2006, 10:47 PM

after looking at that diet again, i gotta agree with the other bro, this looks like its not enough food for an olson twin

**xtinaunasty** · 02-23-2006, 11:02 PM

how many times have we critiqued your diet and how many times have we told you you arent eating enough, more EFA, etc? CLUE, get a !!

**xtinaunasty** · 02-23-2006, 11:03 PM

oh, and the reason you arent hungry:

your metabolism has slowed to that of a starving sloth

**Kakashi...!** · 02-24-2006, 05:56 AM

add more efas, maybe a pro/fat in meal2 , try to eat one more time from 6-7 times a day... 1400 cals thats just to low

**bigsd67** · 02-24-2006, 06:30 AM

dude im cutting at 2900 cals.....you're not hungry because you are shutting down your metabolism and cannibalizing your muscle.

**Panzerfaust** · 02-24-2006, 04:30 PM

My god...someone help this poor soul.

LMAO @ expecting to cut with 1400kCals..yeah cut lean muscle and destroy your metabolism.

**Panzerfaust** · 02-24-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

oh, and the reason you arent hungry:

your metabolism has slowed to that of a starving sloth

Awesome response, and so true!

**spittin' 'n cussin'** · 02-24-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by TR'05

2:1 ratio protein to dex

i believe its 2:1 dex to pro

**steve0** · 02-24-2006, 07:22 PM

i told the guy....no bdy ever listens if your gonna ask for advice on this forum, and then question it like your doing dont ask at all

**TR'05** · 02-26-2006, 10:30 PM

shoot your right spittin...typo, thanks bro.

**LAGMuXle** · 02-27-2006, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

how many times have we critiqued your diet and how many times have we told you you arent eating enough, more EFA, etc? CLUE, get a !!

That's all that needs to be said.

**novastepp** · 02-27-2006, 09:24 AM

vestax, if you are just starting this cut you could eat at your maintanence and just do cardio 4-5 times a week and every week drop cals by like 50-100, when you drop it by 200 or so... up your cardio to another day. when you end up dropping it by another 200 or so... add another day of cardio. stop lowering when you're about 500 cals under your maintanence and do your cardio 7 days a week in the morning when you first wake up for 45 mins to an hour without eating anything before. keep your heart rate at 60-70% of your max heart rate. you get this number by taking 220-your age *.65 you should only lose about 1 lb of fat every week, and no sooner, or your body will be stressed and sending chemical signals halting fat loss, not to mention you will be buring muscle. it takes some serious time and dedication so eat and dont starve yourself. do it for 16 weeks and you will look much better and notice results. so i look forward to telling you this again in 2 weeks so i have copied and pasted everything i just typed

**vestax** · 02-27-2006, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

how many times have we critiqued your diet and how many times have we told you you arent eating enough, more EFA, etc? CLUE, get a !!

The reason I'm pissed off....because I followed your advice exactly and I am up 8 lbs on 3 1/2 weeks....%bf stayed the same

I am putting on muscle and don't want to be.

Why isn't anything working then?

This doesn't make sense.

I'm eating a little under 2000 cals a day and burning 1000. wtf am i doing wrong?

**LAGMuXle** · 02-27-2006, 07:34 PM

Vestax...

What is your cheating schedule?

Try increasing your EFAs. (This has been said)

Cardio may not be intense, read up on where your target heart rate should be. Try interval cardio, works better for me.

**vestax** · 02-27-2006, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by LAGMuXle

Vestax...

What is your cheating schedule?

Try increasing your EFAs. (This has been said)

Cardio may not be intense, read up on where your target heart rate should be. Try interval cardio, works better for me.

I do end up getting the 30g EFAs throughout the day. usually 1 tbsp flax oil and then various nuts and omega3s....

cheating...once a week and its smart cheating the most "cheating" I would do would be like a 6" sub without too much sauce or fat.

Cardio also they recommend 0.65 but I find it really difficult to actually stay in that range and usually am around 0.72ish

any slower and I barely sweat....

any other suggestions? I am about to just say fvck it and turn to meridia + 1200 cals a day and cardio twice daily...giving it another more week like this

I dont understand why I am GAINING weight though...

**steve0** · 02-27-2006, 08:05 PM

you gaining weight bacuase your starving yourself, there for evreything you eat goes to bidyweight gain becasue your body donr know the next time its gonna eat and also your liveing off liquid which is basically the stupidest thing you can do, for christ sakes, Xtina eats more than you

**ndmand4u** · 02-27-2006, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by novastepp

vestax, if you are just starting this cut you could eat at your maintanence and just do cardio 4-5 times a week and every week drop cals by like 50-100, when you drop it by 200 or so... up your cardio to another day. when you end up dropping it by another 200 or so... add another day of cardio. stop lowering when you're about 500 cals under your maintanence and do your cardio 7 days a week in the morning when you first wake up for 45 mins to an hour without eating anything before. keep your heart rate at 60-70% of your max heart rate. you get this number by taking 220-your age *.65 you should only lose about 1 lb of fat every week, and no sooner, or your body will be stressed and sending chemical signals halting fat loss, not to mention you will be buring muscle. it takes some serious time and dedication so eat and dont starve yourself. do it for 16 weeks and you will look much better and notice results. so i look forward to telling you this again in 2 weeks so i have copied and pasted everything i just typed

If you want to improve and drop the fat listen to nova. If you don't want to listen to anyone's advise then stop asking questions.

**novastepp** · 02-27-2006, 09:56 PM

haha i appreciate that, i try and help and it's like he totally ignores it...
and i can GUARANTEE you Xtinaunasty was right on with her help

**xtinaunasty** · 02-27-2006, 11:59 PM

haha...you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.

its not my body!

thanks for the props nova and steve

**LAGMuXle** · 02-28-2006, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

haha...you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.

Wait.....what?

Just kidding.

Correct again.

**vestax** · 02-28-2006, 06:44 AM

I am listening to you guys but how long does it take to have my metabolism raised again? I liked novas advice though I will try again for 2 more weeks then post results. thanks everyone plz understand its just really frustrating

**novastepp** · 02-28-2006, 08:56 AM

if a diet only took 2 weeks to produce results do you think people would be over weight? "this isn't a seminar it isn't a weekend retreat" -Tyler's words coming out of my mouth again.
you have a long road ahead of you. we're all here to support you. maybe start a log of your daily activities to keep motivated. i love to help out and see final results. i believe yours will be great as well...
keep us updated and GOOD LUCK!

**Jimmya73** · 02-28-2006, 09:34 AM

i find it hard to believe you only need 1800 cals, what is your bw,height,age ?

**magic32** · 03-01-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

haha...you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.

its not my body!

thanks for the props nova and steve

The pimp version is:

You can lead a ho to water, but you can't make 'em think.
LOL.

M.

**peekcondition** · 03-12-2006, 01:11 AM

more meats I find with my diet that the MRP shake usally only last for 2 maybe 2 1/2 hours before I start to get hungry. Try lipodrene it has ephedra and hoodia. that will be good boost and appetie supressant.