Dextrose

[blazted]

When is the best time to take Dextrose? Should you take it for your PWO?

[thestudent]

Use it in pwo shake 2:1 ratio

[Kakashi...!]

yeap as thestudent said :P

[Anabolios]

Use it in pwo shake 2:1 ratio

the protein is twice the dextrose?

[FranKieC]

You don't need to take it 2:1 ratio...

If you are cutting you can also try Oats, bageles, sweet potatoes, Brown rice or wheat pasta for PWO

[novastepp]

the protein is twice the dextrose?

Dextrose : Protein
2 : 1

[Anabolios]

You don't need to take it 2:1 ratio...

If you are cutting you can also try Oats, bageles, sweet potatoes, Brown rice or wheat pasta for PWO

ill probably go for the bagels and brown rice thanks

and thanks novastepp as well dextrose is like a buck a pound on nutraplanet so maybe ill go for that

[FranKieC]

ill probably go for the bagels and brown rice thanks

and thanks novastepp as well dextrose is like a buck a pound on nutraplanet so maybe ill go for that

Make sure they are wheat bagles

[L.Priest]

Make sure they are wheat bagles

POST WORKOUT - not necessary, however Dextrose (IMHO) is the only way to go......

[novastepp]

i would still go with wheat PWO, many times myself and others have found that even oats or brown rice work well for PWO, experiment and do what works best for Y.O.U.

[chinups]

You don't need to take it 2:1 ratio...

If you are cutting you can also try Oats, bageles, sweet potatoes, Brown rice or wheat pasta for PWO

Aren't all of these slow burning carbs??????

I thought u wanted simple fast burning carbs like sugar carbs????

[zimmy]

on your PWO with dextrose, do you guys count that as part of your daily carb intake? Does that fit in with cutting diets?

[Kakashi...!]

Personally after my workout I always do my Whey/Dextrose Combo dextrose being 0.8 grams per kg of weight. and 1 hour / 1hour and a half aim for my PPWO thats a solid food.. Pro/Carb The carbs being Sweet Potatoes, Oats, Grits, Cream of wheat, Rice.... just IMO

[bcap]

immediately after workout (PWO) you need simple carbs to spike your insulin, such as gatorade or dextrose. i had a hard time finding somewhere that would deliver dextrose to my house in canada so i went to the local muscle shop and picked up some carbo complex, pretty much same thing as dextrose, just a little dirtier.

[chinups]

Well post workout meal I eat all of those carbs but PWO will never consist of those carbs. Ijust thought dextrose or other methods of fast burning carbs were better for absorbtion

[L.Priest]

Tryrice Cakes Then........

[novastepp]

dextrose and such shuttle protein to your muscles quicker.
and as Mr. Priest said rice cakes will work too. but any carb is going to do the trick for the most part. i go dexPWO and oatsPPWO...

[Giantz11]

immediately after workout (PWO) you need simple carbs to spike your insulin, such as gatorade or dextrose. i had a hard time finding somewhere that would deliver dextrose to my house in canada so i went to the local muscle shop and picked up some carbo complex, pretty much same thing as dextrose, just a little dirtier.

Can you prove that spiking insulin leads to greater protein synthesis?

[Giantz11]

dextrose and such shuttle protein to your muscles quicker.
and as Mr. Priest said rice cakes will work too. but any carb is going to do the trick for the most part. i go dexPWO and oatsPPWO...

Dextrose will replensih glycogen faster. That's all.

[novastepp]

doesn't the shuttling effect cause the glycogen replenishment?

[bcap]

insulin transports nutrients to organs in the body, including muscles. creating an insulin spike while taking in protein (whey) will help transport the protein to your muscles quicker

[Giantz11]

insulin transports nutrients to organs in the body, including muscles. creating an insulin spike while taking in protein (whey) will help transport the protein to your muscles quicker

Insulin's effects during the post workout period is to suppress protein breakdown. Leucine is the metabolic activator of protein synthesis. I am well aware of what insulin does, I asked you for proof that a spike increases protein synthesis.

[Giantz11]

doesn't the shuttling effect cause the glycogen replenishment?

I'll follow with a question:

What does faster glycogen replenishment do for you?

[1buffsob]

Fact is dextrose will only replenish glycogen faster than other carbs PWO, as Giantz11 said. And while insulin can be used succesfully for bodybuilding purposes, I do not believe dextrose will provide any significant difference from other common used PWO carbs, ie oats, rice cakes, wheat bagels, etc. But consuming dextrose while injecting slin, well, that's a whole new story.

[FranKieC]

Can you prove that spiking insulin leads to greater protein synthesis?

I new you would chime in aon this one

I usually eat about 45 minutes PWO

[FranKieC]

immediately after workout (PWO) you need simple carbs to spike your insulin, such as gatorade or dextrose. i had a hard time finding somewhere that would deliver dextrose to my house in canada so i went to the local muscle shop and picked up some carbo complex, pretty much same thing as dextrose, just a little dirtier.

As Giantz said I would like some literature on this..

[blazted]

Currently I am doing a 40Gr Shake of Whey protien mixed with 25G of carb powder for my PWO (this is about 1/2 hour after workout). About 1 1/2 hour after PWO I do my PPWO which is usually a meal of Chicken and Wheat Pasta. Prob about 40-50G Protiens 35G Carbs. Where should I add the dextrose? Should i add the dextrose to my Pre Workout shake?

[Giantz11]

Currently I am doing a 40Gr Shake of Whey protien mixed with 25G of carb powder for my PWO (this is about 1/2 hour after workout). About 1 1/2 hour after PWO I do my PPWO which is usually a meal of Chicken and Wheat Pasta. Prob about 40-50G Protiens 35G Carbs. Where should I add the dextrose? Should i add the dextrose to my Pre Workout shake?

Wouldn't do it Pre-wo. That is time frame is better suited for a lower GI carb source. PWO would be the only time I'd take Dex.

[1buffsob]

Giantz11, if you guys haven't already realized, is the 'carb' guru around here. Dispelling myths on topics such as this (PWO) along with the "don't eat carbs at night" BS. That one's my favorite.

And blazted, you have the ratios mixed up brotha. As previously stated in this thread, you need close to a 2:1 ratio of carbs: protein for PWO. And if you use dextrose, I don't see the logic behind putting it in any other meal besides PWO.

[Giantz11]

Giantz11, if you guys haven't already realized, is the 'carb' guru around here. Dispelling myths on topics such as this (PWO) along with the "don't eat carbs at night" BS. That one's my favorite.

And blazted, you have the ratios mixed up brotha. As previously stated in this thread, you need close to a 2:1 ratio of carbs: protein for PWO. And if you use dextrose, I don't see the logic behind putting it in any other meal besides PWO.

Thats what happens when you love carbs bro,

[1buffsob]

I hear you Giantz. I miss mine though. I only get 110g a day. FUKING cutting diets. My 1.5 cups of oat for PWO is my favorite meal of the day. Yes, that's right. I use oats for PWO. Who wants a piece of me. lol

[FranKieC]

I hear you Giantz. I miss mine though. I only get 110g a day. FUKING cutting diets. My 1.5 cups of oat for PWO is my favorite meal of the day. Yes, that's right. I use oats for PWO. Who wants a piece of me. lol

I'm with ya..


Oats or a wheat bagel

[1buffsob]

Awesome, we have a low GI PWO carb posse going. All aboard

[bcap]

Didn't mean to argue Giantz, not 100% sure on all the carb stuff myself. Enlighten me, why do we then take carb such as dex PWO?

[FranKieC]

Didn't mean to argue Giantz, not 100% sure on all the carb stuff myself. Enlighten me, why do we then take carb such as dex PWO?

Uh Oh

He's calling ya out

This should be good

[Giantz11]

Didn't mean to argue Giantz, not 100% sure on all the carb stuff myself. Enlighten me, why do we then take carb such as dex PWO?

I'm not really sure to tell you the truth. I think along time ago someone came up with the idea that insulin is highly anabolic. This is not the case when talking about physiological amounts. Injecting insulin in different, as extreme hyperinsulinemia has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis on its own. However there's no proof that I can find that says insulin within ones physiological relm is supremely anabolic. Insulin's main job post workout is to stop protein breakdown and its been shown that the amount needed to do so is small. The nutrient shuttling etc...Is already taking place, this is the bodys adaptation to working out. Weight training increases glut-4 permeability as well as increases blood flow to the muscle, which transport amino's. This is also insulins job, but as you can see here weight training takes care of that. So insulin is best utilized outside of the post workout, because then you can take advantage of insulin's actions.

[david beads]

So if i putt two scoops of whey protein in my shake then i need to add 4 scoops of dex or am i way off?

[LAGMuXle]

I'm not really sure to tell you the truth. I think along time ago someone came up with the idea that insulin is highly anabolic. This is not the case when talking about physiological amounts. Injecting insulin in different, as extreme hyperinsulinemia has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis on its own. However there's no proof that I can find that says insulin within ones physiological relm is supremely anabolic. Insulin's main job post workout is to stop protein breakdown and its been shown that the amount needed to do so is small. The nutrient shuttling etc...Is already taking place, this is the bodys adaptation to working out. Weight training increases glut-4 permeability as well as increases blood flow to the muscle, which transport amino's. This is also insulins job, but as you can see here weight training takes care of that. So insulin is best utilized outside of the post workout, because then you can take advantage of insulin's actions.

I'm going to tape that one to the fridge at the gym, so the fancy trainers there can read a real statement.

[L.Priest]

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/.../precision.htm

[Giantz11]

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/.../precision.htm

Thanks bro....I've read Berardi many times. He references out of date studies and guess what???? Plugs Biotest Surge....Gee what a coincidence