bulking with bread??

[mcgas7]

during the day i have 3 breaks.. bulking up..

10.40 .....4 slice wholemeal bread 1 tin tuna
1.15 .......4 slice wholemeal bread 1 tin tuna
3.30 .......4 slice wholemeal bread 1 tin tuna

is this suitable or will it get stored as fat??

[Myka]

thats a lot of bread...but I cant say anymore because I dont know what you exerte during the day...

[mcgas7]

i work 9-5 office..
train mon - wed - fri - sun (lifting + 15-20mins cardio at 65%)

[mcgas7]

anyone?? bump???

[mcgas7]

someone must have a view on this..?

[Myka]

Personally I would go with other carbs...but I dont know maybe just see how it works for you...

[IBdmfkr]

There are much better alternatives than wheat bread. Rice, yams, whole wheat pasta etc... But wheat bread is deff better than some other choices of carbs.

[mcgas7]

i have been eating this for the last month or two.. i have gained 14pounds since changing my diet to this.. but feel a lot of it has went to my waist.. do u suggest more cardio? or different carbs?

[IBdmfkr]

I do no cardio and I stay around 10% while gaining LBM. It's more in the types and amount of carbs you consume during the day, cardio is for cutting/leaning. Very hard to do both.

[mcgas7]

what would you suggest eating on the breaks i have available?

[IBdmfkr]

There are much better alternatives than wheat bread. Rice, yams, whole wheat pasta etc... But wheat bread is deff better than some other choices of carbs.

I listed some here.

[mcgas7]

8.00 am - 100g oats
50g whey

10.45am- tin of tuna
4 slice wholemeal bread
300ml milk

1.15pm - 200gchicken breast
75g basmatti rice

3.45pm - tin of tuna
2 cups of wholemeal pasta
20ml flax oil

5.30PM - Pre workout - 60g oats
30g whey

7pm - Post Workout - 50g whey protein

8:30pm - 200g chicken breast/ steak
75g basmatti rice

11pm - 300g cottage cheese
15ml flax Oil


would you suggest for gaining lean mass?

[IBdmfkr]

8.00 am - 100g oats
50g whey

10.45am- tin of tuna
4 slice wholemeal bread
300ml milk

1.15pm - 200gchicken breast
75g basmatti rice

3.45pm - tin of tuna
2 cups of wholemeal pasta
20ml flax oil

5.30PM - Pre workout - 60g oats (something with dextrose or similar - banana maybe?)30g whey

7pm - Post Workout - 50g whey protein

8:30pm - 200g chicken breast/ steak
75g basmatti rice

11pm - 300g cottage cheese
15ml flax Oil


would you suggest for gaining lean mass?

Much better bro. I like it.

[mcgas7]

ill get on it.. cheers for the help..

[Chemical King]

Brown bread contains 96 calories per slice and about 3.6g of protein per slice so IMO I can see it doing any harm if your short of cash, although other sources would be better just like IBdmfkr said. But something is always better than nothing

[Myka]

5.30PM - Pre workout - 60g oats (something with dextrose or similar - banana maybe?)30g whey

Im gonna have to disagree with that...unless you meant to take that post WO...

[IBdmfkr]

ahh thx Newkid. That's exactly what I meant. OPPS I don't like "no carbs" PWO, put that in wrong spot. Good eye.

Shoot for 1:2 (Prot:Carbs) PWO Ex. 40g P, 80g Carbs. Something easily used and absorbed. ABB Mass recovery is a good choice. 35g P, 60g C.

[mcgas7]

so banana after workout best then..
cheers for the help guys..
are essensial fats needed for staying lean?

[IBdmfkr]

Yes, EFA's are essential for staying healthy in general. They're a must in every diet.

[mcgas7]

ok thats for your input IBdmfkr.. appriciate it.. will stick to this diet for the on coming 12 weeks.. that time ill be finished my cycle and pct and will post results.. and questions i have along the way ill give you a shout!!

[mwolffey]

imo wheat breat as long as its natural is good for you...just say away from honey wheat and added sugars if you can

[IBdmfkr]

ok thats for your input IBdmfkr.. appriciate it.. will stick to this diet for the on coming 12 weeks.. that time ill be finished my cycle and pct and will post results.. and questions i have along the way ill give you a shout!!

Make sure not to change diet dramatically during PCT, wait until after you're done to switch things around and/or drop/add calories. Best of luck.

[mcgas7]

u say im cool with that diet throughout cycle for gaining muscle..
enough callories in there for bulking
?

[mcgas7]

anyone?

[Myka]

also include eggnog

[IBdmfkr]

I don't really feel like adding it up. do it for me
Protein?
Carbs?
Fat?
Total calories?
thanks
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[mcgas7]

................................................FA T...SAT FAT...PROTEIN...CARBS
8.00 am -
100g oats...................................5.1g.....0. 9g..........13g........54.3g
65g propeptide.............................3g........1 g............45g........6g

10.45am-
tin of tuna..................................1.4g.....0.4 g..........42.1g......0g
4 slice wholemeal bread.................4.1g.....0.9g..........9.1g. ......47.2g
300ml milk...................................0.8g.....0. 5g..........11.1g.....15.6g

1.15pm -
200gchicken breast.......................2.5g.....0.7g........ ..46.2g.......0g
75g basmati rice...........................0.9g.....0g........ .....5.2g.......57.6g

3.45pm -
tin of tuna...................................1.4g....0.4 g...........42.1g.......0g
2 cups of pasta............................2.1g....0.4g..... ......13.3g......71g
15ml flax oil.................................13.6g...1.3g.. ..........0g...........0g

5.30PM - Pre workout -
60g oats.....................................3.8g..... 0.7g..........9.6g......40.2g
65g propeptide.............................3g........1 g............45g........6g


7pm - Post Workout -
65g propeptide.............................3g........1 g............45g........6g
42g osmotic anabolic stimulant........0g........0g............12g...... ..22g

8:30pm -
200gchicken breast.......................2.5g.....0.7g........ ..46.2g.......0g
75g basmati rice...........................0.9g.....0g........ .....5.2g.......57.6g

11pm -
300g cottage cheese.....................5.8g.....3.7g.......... ..41.2g.....10.9g
15ml flax Oil.................................13.6g...1.3g.. ............0g...........0g

total...........................................67 .5g...14.9g..........431.3g......394.4g

[mcgas7]

wat u think guys?

[IBdmfkr]

Too much protein, not enough carbs for bulking. Your at around 3800calories give or take, but I'd drop Protein down to around 350 and up carbs to around 5-600. See how your body responds and change as needed. I'd switch the whey Pre-workout to a solid food.

[mcgas7]

what u says best to change.. what meals.. what to.?

[mcgas7]

anyone?

[IBdmfkr]

................................................FA T...SAT FAT...PROTEIN...CARBS
8.00 am - (add some unsat fats, flax oil possibly)
100g oats...................................5.1g.....0. 9g..........13g........54.3g
65g propeptide.............................3g........1 g............45g........6g

10.45am-
tin of tuna..................................1.4g.....0.4 g..........42.1g......0g
4 slice wholemeal bread.................4.1g.....0.9g..........9.1g. ......47.2g
300ml milk...................................0.8g.....0. 5g..........11.1g.....15.6g (I'd add more carbs to this meal, around 75g total carbs)

1.15pm - (Again I'd add a few more carbs, maybe 100g Rice)
200gchicken breast.......................2.5g.....0.7g........ ..46.2g.......0g
75g basmati rice...........................0.9g.....0g........ .....5.2g.......57.6g

3.45pm - (I like it, maybe sub tuna for something else. Too much can be bad, Steak/Turkey maybe?)
tin of tuna...................................1.4g....0.4 g...........42.1g.......0g
2 cups of pasta............................2.1g....0.4g..... ......13.3g......71g
15ml flax oil.................................13.6g...1.3g.. ..........0g...........0g

5.30PM - Pre workout -
60g oats.....................................3.8g..... 0.7g..........9.6g......40.2g
65g propeptide.............................3g........1 g............45g........6g


7pm - Post Workout - (Need 1:2 Protein:simple carbs - So 45gProtein:90g carbs)65g propeptide.............................3g........1 g............45g........6g
42g osmotic anabolic stimulant........0g........0g............12g...... ..22g

8:30pm - (again I'd raise Carbs and possibly Drop Prot a bit. Say 150gchicken, 100g Rice)
200gchicken breast.......................2.5g.....0.7g........ ..46.2g.......0g
75g basmati rice...........................0.9g.....0g........ .....5.2g.......57.6g

11pm - (good meal, still need a bit more fat in your diet IMO)
300g cottage cheese.....................5.8g.....3.7g.......... ..41.2g.....10.9g
15ml flax Oil.................................13.6g...1.3g.. ............0g...........0g

total...........................................67 .5g...14.9g..........431.3g......394.4g

Changes in Bold, For bulking only. What I see is too much protein, not enough carbs or unsat fats. Good meal timing and food combinations. Great base.

[mcgas7]

solid bro.. thanks for your input! appreciated

[novastepp]

solid bro.. thanks for your input! appreciated

i just thought i would jump in here and ask you if you would eat oats? i love them and use them as my sole carb source and have gained a whole lot using them so i recommend them. add them to any carb meal for added carbs or have a cup for a carb meal. good luck on the cycle my man!

[mcgas7]

will have oats b4 training.. have before pics so will get some after cycle with results..

[mcgas7]

i am at the end of my 4th week of test .. should i keep my diet the same throughout my cycle , oviously upping my protien with my weight going up keeping it at the 1.5 ratio..

should i up my calories during pct? i will be running clen along with nolva and clomid in pct..

may be adding dbol weeks 6-10..

views would be appreciated.. cheers

[IBdmfkr]

As your weight increases I'd up the calories slightly to compensat and keep making gains. Keep the extra calories clean (complex carbs, lean protein). I try and hold the diet throughout PCT to avoid LBM loss. How's the cycle so far, results?

[mcgas7]

cycles going good
when i first got on my bulking diet was in dec 2005 weighing 198 pounds.. when i started the cycle i was roughly about 215 and now im at 225.. so things are going good.. will keep this thread going with results..

cheers for help with the diet