does anyone bulk with only 3 carb meals??

**getbig888** · 07-08-2006, 06:28 PM

i am trying to revamp my approach to my diet. i usually do 4 carb meals and 3 fat meals while bulking. But i gain to much fat!

i was wondering if i only ate carbs for breakfast and pwo if i would still have enough to build muscle while staying lean!

i know this question is impossible to answer as it depends on the person but i was wondering if anyone else does this?

5'11
210
12-14%

**novastepp** · 07-08-2006, 06:51 PM

post your diet so the folks here can have a look at what you're doing now. it could just be a few small things that could help straighten you out.

**getbig888** · 07-08-2006, 07:00 PM

my diet is usually like this

meal 1 protein pancake( 1 scoop whey/ 3 egg whites/splenda/ 1 1/2 cup oats) plus 1 schoop whey pro shake

meal 2: chicken breast/ flax oil

meal 3: tuna/ sweet potato

meal 4: chicken/ flax oil

workout
pwo: 45 grams whey/ 80 grams dex
ppwo: chicken breast/ 1 cup brown rice

meal 7: 1/2 chicken breast/ 1 scoop whey and flax

i was looking to get rid of the extra carb meal that i have been having before workout and only have carb serving at breakfast and post workout. Again i am trying to gain muscle but i do not want to gain fat while i am doing this.

**novastepp** · 07-08-2006, 07:10 PM

i would switch meals 3 & 4 around. have your carbs in the morning pre and post workout.

are you giving yourself enough time between your fatty meals and your carb meals? especially before bed.

**24labor** · 07-09-2006, 03:11 AM

I can't do 3 unless my breakfast is my prework out meal. I usually do breakfast pro/carb and then prework out pro/carb. I tried to go pro/fat one time but failed for me didn't feel good and sluggish(carbs) but 4 has worked great for me

**IBdmfkr** · 07-09-2006, 10:03 AM

That's a bulk? don't expect to grow much.

**novastepp** · 07-09-2006, 10:58 AM

getbig, you need to let us know how much of each you are eating, and provide macros in grams of carbs, fats, and protein in each meal. that diet could be 2000 cals or 5000 cals depending on amounts, help us out here.

**getbig888** · 07-09-2006, 01:34 PM

usually around
250 gcarbs
45 g grams fat
280-300 protein

what should i do if this is not enough for a bulk?

**IBdmfkr** · 07-09-2006, 02:14 PM

That equals to about 2600 calories.
That's extreme cutting for me and I'm 195 7%.
Here's an example of a lean bulk for myself that works great.
You'll want to work your way up to this not go from 2600-4000calories in 1day.

5:00am - 1cup Oats + 1scp whey/1scp V60 + 1tbsn flax + BCAA/Glutamine<5g ea.>(back to bed)
Prot(50) - Carbs(50) - Fat(10g)

9:00am - 10egg whites + 2 w/yolks, 1cup oats, 1/2cup cottage cheese.
Prot(60) - Carbs(50) - Fat(10)

12:00p - 6oz Turkey/1scp whey + Sweetpotato + Veggies
Prot(60) - Carbs(75) - Fat(approx. 0)

2:30p - 6salmon/1scpwhey + B.Rice + Veg.
Prot(60) - Carbs(75) - Fat(10)

4:00p (Train)
BCAA's <5g>
L-Glutamine + peptide <5g>
CEE (Creatine Ethyl Ester) <5g>

5:30p PWO - Same supps as above + 1scp whey/1scp V60 (protein blend) + 1.5cups oats
Prot(50) - Carbs(75) - Fat(0)

8:00p PPWO - 6ozChicken or Turkey/1scp whey + med sweet potato + 1cup Veg
Prot(50) - Carbs(50) - Fat(0)

10:30p Shake - 2scps V60 + .5cup oats + Supps(same as meal1)
Prot(50) - Carbs(25) - Fat(0)

12:30a - 8oz Steak or Buffalo or Salmon + 2cups Veg + .5tbsn Flax.
Prot(50) - Carbs(5) - Fat(20)

~Total Macros~
Prot: 400-450g
Carbs: 350-400g
Fat: 50-60g
Total calories (approx) = 3400/4000 = OffDay/LiftDay

Notice the lack of shakes and the usage of wholefoods...

**getbig888** · 07-09-2006, 02:46 PM

i have not tried a bulk that extreme b/c i usually try to seperate carbs and fats/ but i think it is time for a change so i will see how that works.

**IBdmfkr** · 07-09-2006, 04:13 PM

It's all good fats and complex carbs.. it will lead to a small amount of fat gain but more LBM than anything depending on your metabolism.
Trial and error. Gotta put on a bit of extra weight if you ever want to grow.

You outta see my Dirty bulk

**getbig888** · 07-09-2006, 04:19 PM

thanx 4 your help bro! i am gonna try this and up the cardio.

**getbig888** · 07-09-2006, 04:24 PM

also do you not believe in the pro/dex shake post workout?

**IBdmfkr** · 07-09-2006, 04:30 PM

I've done both, I did Prot/Dex for YEARS and recently switched to complex carbs PWO and like it much better.. I don't crash after coming down from the sugar-high 1hr after PWO meal... Only time I to Prot/Dex is with Insulin but since I'm cutting there is no need.

**chest6** · 07-09-2006, 09:55 PM

Yess 1Bdmfkr thats a great diet right there. Very similar to mine actually. I like the pro/carbs throughout the day..I love it..did it throughout cutting with great results. I dont see a problem with pro/carb meals throughout the day getbig888, that coming from myself...that gains fat easily

**IBdmfkr** · 07-09-2006, 09:58 PM

That chinchilla sure is swole. (btw that's tai on comp. day).

**kman** · 07-09-2006, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

That equals to about 2600 calories.
That's extreme cutting for me and I'm 195 7%.
Here's an example of a lean bulk for myself that works great.
You'll want to work your way up to this not go from 2600-4000calories in 1day.

5:00am - 1cup Oats + 1scp whey/1scp V60 + 1tbsn flax + BCAA/Glutamine<5g ea.>(back to bed)
Prot(50) - Carbs(50) - Fat(10g)

9:00am - 10egg whites + 2 w/yolks, 1cup oats, 1/2cup cottage cheese.
Prot(60) - Carbs(50) - Fat(10)

12:00p - 6oz Turkey/1scp whey + Sweetpotato + Veggies
Prot(60) - Carbs(75) - Fat(approx. 0)

2:30p - 6salmon/1scpwhey + B.Rice + Veg.
Prot(60) - Carbs(75) - Fat(10)

4:00p (Train)
BCAA's <5g>
L-Glutamine + peptide <5g>
CEE (Creatine Ethyl Ester) <5g>

5:30p PWO - Same supps as above + 1scp whey/1scp V60 (protein blend) + 1.5cups oats
Prot(50) - Carbs(75) - Fat(0)

8:00p PPWO - 6ozChicken or Turkey/1scp whey + med sweet potato + 1cup Veg
Prot(50) - Carbs(50) - Fat(0)

10:30p Shake - 2scps V60 + .5cup oats + Supps(same as meal1)
Prot(50) - Carbs(25) - Fat(0)

12:30a - 8oz Steak or Buffalo or Salmon + 2cups Veg + .5tbsn Flax.
Prot(50) - Carbs(5) - Fat(20)

~Total Macros~
Prot: 400-450g
Carbs: 350-400g
Fat: 50-60g
Total calories (approx) = 3400/4000 = OffDay/LiftDay

Notice the lack of shakes and the usage of wholefoods...

Now that's what I call on point. Nice layout bro..

**ShnouzedUp** · 07-09-2006, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

That equals to about 2600 calories.
That's extreme cutting for me and I'm 195 7%.
Here's an example of a lean bulk for myself that works great.
You'll want to work your way up to this not go from 2600-4000calories in 1day.

5:00am - 1cup Oats + 1scp whey/1scp V60 + 1tbsn flax + BCAA/Glutamine<5g ea.>(back to bed)
Prot(50) - Carbs(50) - Fat(10g)

9:00am - 10egg whites + 2 w/yolks, 1cup oats, 1/2cup cottage cheese.
Prot(60) - Carbs(50) - Fat(10)

12:00p - 6oz Turkey/1scp whey + Sweetpotato + Veggies
Prot(60) - Carbs(75) - Fat(approx. 0)

2:30p - 6salmon/1scpwhey + B.Rice + Veg.
Prot(60) - Carbs(75) - Fat(10)

4:00p (Train)
BCAA's <5g>
L-Glutamine + peptide <5g>
CEE (Creatine Ethyl Ester) <5g>

5:30p PWO - Same supps as above + 1scp whey/1scp V60 (protein blend) + 1.5cups oats
Prot(50) - Carbs(75) - Fat(0)

8:00p PPWO - 6ozChicken or Turkey/1scp whey + med sweet potato + 1cup Veg
Prot(50) - Carbs(50) - Fat(0)

10:30p Shake - 2scps V60 + .5cup oats + Supps(same as meal1)
Prot(50) - Carbs(25) - Fat(0)

12:30a - 8oz Steak or Buffalo or Salmon + 2cups Veg + .5tbsn Flax.
Prot(50) - Carbs(5) - Fat(20)

~Total Macros~
Prot: 400-450g
Carbs: 350-400g
Fat: 50-60g
Total calories (approx) = 3400/4000 = OffDay/LiftDay

Notice the lack of shakes and the usage of wholefoods...

ah thank you! you just saved me a whole lot of time this evening.. awesome diet bro!

**ShnouzedUp** · 07-09-2006, 11:48 PM

cept for the cottage cheese.. thats just plain wrong.

blaauhhg i can't handle that crap... almost as bad as spinach..

**IBdmfkr** · 07-10-2006, 12:02 AM

9am meal is blended together to make pancakes

actually it's very good with s/f syrup and spray on butter.

**getbig888** · 07-10-2006, 10:16 AM

i just ate my first meal of this diet and without seperating carbs and fat i ended up with a 740 calorie meal. 62 grams protein 62 grams carbs and 25 grams fat. That is counting the protein carbs and fat in every item, not just in the main source.

**IBdmfkr** · 07-10-2006, 11:03 AM

You need to alter it according to your bodytype..
Post a picture and it'll give me a good idea where to start.
700calories for me is great for a first meal.. for you it may be too much.

**getbig888** · 07-10-2006, 11:10 AM

thanx 4 all your help bro, i am prone to gain body fat so i do know if i should try this diet or keep on seperatin carbs and fats.

**IBdmfkr** · 07-10-2006, 11:16 AM

I'd just tone down the carbs a bit and up the protein personally.
Keep the calories up, around (3500-4000/day)
I'd spread the macros as follows:
Prot - 400-450
Carbs - 300-350
Fat - 65-80
Calories approx - 3700-4000.

Play with it and see how it works.. stay on the same routine for 4-6wks and access changes.

**getbig888** · 07-10-2006, 11:32 AM

thanx for the help bro. i am gonna giv it a go for a month or 2 and c how it goes.

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