Get off your ass and cook, and drop all the damn whey shakes if you want real results

[stayinstacked]

you guys wanna lose bodyfat, then start cooking. Yes, cook enough to where you can actually eat chicken more than once/day, lay off tuna for a few days and substitute with lean meat or Talapia/Salmon. Drop all the cottage cheese, yes it's a dairy product and still helps you look nice and smooth!! Up your carbs from etheopian intake to 150 grams-200grams, not 50, because your workouts will suffer and you wont even have the energy to wipe your own ass. And lay off all the ****ing shakes, in most cases besides PWO they do nothing!! You can drink 20 of them a day and the guy eating whole food is still going to look better than you. Try dropping the damn things for a week and see what happens or if you can do it. You dont need them, they're just convenient. I see and talk to too many people who think the only way to get big and/or ripped is to take protien powder. And then when that doesnt work and they've only been training for 2 months they come on here and post something like "whats the best juice to try, I've trained hard now for 10 days and I'm getting nowhere!!!" Newsflash, this sport isnt convenient, start cooking more and planning, there are no shortcuts, not even juice!!!

[BIG TEXAN]

you guys wanna lose bodyfat, then start cooking. Yes, cook enough to where you can actually eat chicken more than once/day, lay off tuna for a few days and substitute with lean meat or Talapia/Salmon. Drop all the cottage cheese, yes it's a dairy product and still helps you look nice and smooth!! Up your carbs from etheopian intake to 150 grams-200grams, not 50, because your workouts will suffer and you wont even have the energy to wipe your own ass. And lay off all the ****ing shakes, in most cases besides PWO they do nothing!! You can drink 20 of them a day and the guy eating whole food is still going to look better than you. Try dropping the damn things for a week and see what happens or if you can do it. You dont need them, they're just convenient. I see and talk to too many people who think the only way to get big and/or ripped is to take protien powder. And then when that doesnt work and they've only been training for 2 months they come on here and post something like "whats the best juice to try, I've trained hard now for 10 days and I'm getting nowhere!!!" Newsflash, this sport isnt convenient, start cooking more and planning, there are no shortcuts, not even juice!!!

having a bad day? Hahahahaha..... truth be known, shakes are beneficial but can never replace real food..... been preaching it for years...

[Lavinco]

Are you still pissed about your wife? You sound pretty intense. Nonetheless, I see your point.

[SwoleCat]

I love my shakes, w/out them I'd never meet my requirements. I don't just use pro-powder, but flax oils, healthy fats like almonds w/them, etc. As a premier source of protein, as long as my next feeding doesn't have me on empty for too long after consumption of a shake, I suffer no ill-effects.

They work well for me, so to each his own. Best course of action is to always find what works best for you as an individual.

~SC~

[audis4]

Ya, my favorite is when people said that they have read and thoroughly understand the stickies at the top of the page, yet half of their diet consists of shakes.
I take every advantage of the whole foods to keep myself somewhat full during cutting....I couldn't even imagine drinking my food and hoping to keep myself sane; I would have fallen off my diet 1 week after I started.
Good post.

[pdog80]

LOL, Lavinco. But don't you think that was below the belt? Hehe. I agree with you 100%, stayinstacked.

[BIG TEXAN]

I love my shakes, w/out them I'd never meet my requirements. I don't just use pro-powder, but flax oils, healthy fats like almonds w/them, etc. As a premier source of protein, as long as my next feeding doesn't have me on empty for too long after consumption of a shake, I suffer no ill-effects.

They work well for me, so to each his own. Best course of action is to always find what works best for you as an individual.

~SC~

What taco bell isn't enough??? Gotta add shakes on top of it? Sorry last time I was around you were on your taco bell binging..... I prefer real food, but like I said, shakes are beneficial.

[SwoleCat]

I haven't had Taco Bell in over 5 months.

Photoshoot for my modeling site on August 5th.

~SC~

[BIG TEXAN]

I haven't had Taco Bell in over 5 months.

Photoshoot for my modeling site on August 5th.

~SC~

Damn pretty boy..... has been awhile since I was around.

[SwoleCat]

Yup, new year and a new look!

~SC~

[stayinstacked]

I love my shakes, w/out them I'd never meet my requirements. I don't just use pro-powder, but flax oils, healthy fats like almonds w/them, etc. As a premier source of protein, as long as my next feeding doesn't have me on empty for too long after consumption of a shake, I suffer no ill-effects.

They work well for me, so to each his own. Best course of action is to always find what works best for you as an individual.

~SC~

My point is this, take 2 individuals and stick them on the same diet, only difference being one guy gets 250-300 grams of protein/day from food, and the other guy gets half of that from shakes, I can tell you who is going to look better when it's all said and done. But yes, a valid point indeed, do what works best for you.

[SwoleCat]

Mmmm, about who would look better, that would have to also depend on genetics and ability to develop.

~SC~

[Kärnfysikern]

My point is this, take 2 individuals and stick them on the same diet, only difference being one guy gets 250-300 grams of protein/day from food, and the other guy gets half of that from shakes, I can tell you who is going to look better when it's all said and done. But yes, a valid point indeed, do what works best for you.

why exactly do you think the protein from meat is superior to that from whey?

[scriptfactory]

why exactly do you think the protein from meat is superior to that from whey?

I get much better results from eating real food, and I don't know why. I think some people get better results from drinking shakes but ever since I stopped drinking shakes I've just gotten HUGE! Might have something to do with the fat content of the meat I'm eating, I eat a lot of lean steaks, salmon, catfish, chicken (dark and light meat) and occasionally a few pork ribs on cheat days.

[bor]

Plan sounds good, but it costs more

[sofus99]

I think it is very much a matter of HOW people use their shakes that makes the difference, now whether they use them or not. Sure, for post workout a shake is often the best option as you need those fast proteins/carbs. But the way many people use shakes, be it pure protein or gainer mixtures, there is simply no way your body can absorb some of the crazy amount of nutrition, like 50 or even more grams of whey protein in a single go.
Where real food is superior is when you need that slow release of nutrients, which for my own part is anytime except in the morning when I wake up and post workout.
So if you're a shake fan don't exclusively go with whey or other fast proteins, and don't do excessive big servings, the only thing growing from those are your love handles.

[steve0]

you guys wanna lose bodyfat, then start cooking. Yes, cook enough to where you can actually eat chicken more than once/day, lay off tuna for a few days and substitute with lean meat or Talapia/Salmon. Drop all the cottage cheese, yes it's a dairy product and still helps you look nice and smooth!! Up your carbs from etheopian intake to 150 grams-200grams, not 50, because your workouts will suffer and you wont even have the energy to wipe your own ass. And lay off all the ****ing shakes, in most cases besides PWO they do nothing!! You can drink 20 of them a day and the guy eating whole food is still going to look better than you. Try dropping the damn things for a week and see what happens or if you can do it. You dont need them, they're just convenient. I see and talk to too many people who think the only way to get big and/or ripped is to take protien powder. And then when that doesnt work and they've only been training for 2 months they come on here and post something like "whats the best juice to try, I've trained hard now for 10 days and I'm getting nowhere!!!" Newsflash, this sport isnt convenient, start cooking more and planning, there are no shortcuts, not even juice!!!

gotta agree with ya there i see to many low ass carb diets out there, although depending on body weight, traning, ect...will determine the amount of carbs you take in its all relative.

[Kärnfysikern]

gotta agree with ya there i see to many low ass carb diets out there, although depending on body weight, traning, ect...will determine the amount of carbs you take in its all relative.

it all depends on the person. When I am at the lowest on carbs I only consume carbs on workout days and even then only 50 grams pre and post workout. I never lose any strenght at all. The opposit acctualy I alwats continously gain strenght while cutting. I am very insensitive to low blodsugar aswell so low carbs doesnt negativly impact my energy. The opposit there aswell acctualy. I am always very energetic when cutting on low carbs.

and when talking about shakes. Last summer for over a month I had no chooise but to get ALL my meals from shakes, I had 15kg of whey protein at home and no money at all.
6 shakes a day with various things mixed into them like avacado different oils, oatmeal ect. I lost no strenght at all, I continued to gain just as well as when I ate meat 5 times a day.

IMO my own experience(I am neither big or cut though) tells me its a complete myth that meat is somehow superior to whey. It might be a bit better for metabolism to eat meat and offcourse slower absorption of protein can be a advantage. But other than that the body doesnt care if the amino acids comes from steak, eggs, tuna, chicken or diary all that matters is that the body gets the right ammount of aminos. Diary even has superior amino acid makeup to meat.

[KingMike]

I agree with Johan and Swole. I have done alot of experimenting since the 2 years following my 100 lb. weight loss and the only thing I notice is that when cutting, 3 shakes a day keeps me leaner and while bulking, the meat keeps me bulkier. I can be on a bulker for 4 weeks and gain 5 pounds and go to shakes only for 1 week while keeping calories the same and lose 1-2 pounds. Culd be the meat packed in my colon, not sure. The best method I have found is meal, shake,meal,shake, repeat...every 2 1/2-3 hours depending on you goal.

[biglouie250]

real food rules, but i like shakes too. quick and easy. also it prevents me from snacking, just fire down a shake and im content for a bit. 2 a day for me(one is PWO)

[MatrixGuy]

Years ago when i knew nothing about diets i relied heavily on shakes. When i sorted my diet out and started using whole protein sources i noticed a big difference. I still use about 3 shakes a day though, but just incorporate them into my diet.

[jef]

sounds similar to idle thoughts by pinn. i love real food but don't have any honest opinions since i've always incorporated whey to some degree in my eating habits. maybe it's something i'll try downt the road so I can provide more of a proven/tested input.

[sonar1234]

you guys wanna lose bodyfat, then start cooking. Yes, cook enough to where you can actually eat chicken more than once/day, lay off tuna for a few days and substitute with lean meat or Talapia/Salmon. Drop all the cottage cheese, yes it's a dairy product and still helps you look nice and smooth!! Up your carbs from etheopian intake to 150 grams-200grams, not 50, because your workouts will suffer and you wont even have the energy to wipe your own ass. And lay off all the ****ing shakes, in most cases besides PWO they do nothing!! You can drink 20 of them a day and the guy eating whole food is still going to look better than you. Try dropping the damn things for a week and see what happens or if you can do it. You dont need them, they're just convenient. I see and talk to too many people who think the only way to get big and/or ripped is to take protien powder. And then when that doesnt work and they've only been training for 2 months they come on here and post something like "whats the best juice to try, I've trained hard now for 10 days and I'm getting nowhere!!!" Newsflash, this sport isnt convenient, start cooking more and planning, there are no shortcuts, not even juice!!!

You got a very strong point here bro, i am allergic to whey protein it bloats me up silly.

If i eat clean food i do look a lot better then drinking 2-3 shakes a day.

Same has eating to much protein, i am 200 pounds and if i eat more then 150g of protein a day i start getting fat even with clean carbs in the diet, by clean i dont mean pasta, pataoes or rice but the low glycemic ones.

Guess everyone is different.

[SwoleCat]

i am 200 pounds and if i eat more then 150g of protein a day i start getting fat

Then you should look into adjusting your diet in other areas, it's not protein making you fat. 150 grams of protein is only 600 calories. Being that it takes 200 grams of protein to support the 200 lbs. you already have, 150 is not going to do anything productive. That's not even enough to support the lean mass you do have. I know you aren't 200 lbs. of all lean mass, but even if you were 170 lbs. of all lean muscle mass, that's still shy of what you need to support what is on your frame already.

Gaining anything additional would be totally impossible. Again, your diet is way off in other areas if you are getting fat, it's NOT the protein intake. Protein has a very hard time being converted to fat, it's the hardest of all. It would be burned for fuel before stored as fat.

~SC~

[chest6]

Same has eating to much protein, i am 200 pounds and if i eat more then 150g of protein a day i start getting fat

I highly doubt that..unless your metabolism is at the rate of someone sleeping 24/7

[mwolffey]

i do not agree with this at all...i do believe in the importance in whole foods, but little things like cottege cheese and dropping dairy has no importance imo unless you are in contest prep....but to each their own

[Chad B]

it all depends on the person. When I am at the lowest on carbs I only consume carbs on workout days and even then only 50 grams pre and post workout. I never lose any strenght at all. The opposit acctualy I alwats continously gain strenght while cutting. I am very insensitive to low blodsugar aswell so low carbs doesnt negativly impact my energy. The opposit there aswell acctualy. I am always very energetic when cutting on low carbs.

and when talking about shakes. Last summer for over a month I had no chooise but to get ALL my meals from shakes, I had 15kg of whey protein at home and no money at all.
6 shakes a day with various things mixed into them like avacado different oils, oatmeal ect. I lost no strenght at all, I continued to gain just as well as when I ate meat 5 times a day.

IMO my own experience(I am neither big or cut though) tells me its a complete myth that meat is somehow superior to whey. It might be a bit better for metabolism to eat meat and offcourse slower absorption of protein can be a advantage. But other than that the body doesnt care if the amino acids comes from steak, eggs, tuna, chicken or diary all that matters is that the body gets the right ammount of aminos. Diary even has superior amino acid makeup to meat.

Good testimony!! Nicely said!! Respect to ya!! You went up a few notches in my book!!

Thanks Jonah

[brutesinme]

Then you should look into adjusting your diet in other areas, it's not protein making you fat. 150 grams of protein is only 600 calories. Being that it takes 200 grams of protein to support the 200 lbs. you already have, 150 is not going to do anything productive. That's not even enough to support the lean mass you do have. I know you aren't 200 lbs. of all lean mass, but even if you were 170 lbs. of all lean muscle mass, that's still shy of what you need to support what is on your frame already.

Gaining anything additional would be totally impossible. Again, your diet is way off in other areas if you are getting fat, it's NOT the protein intake. Protein has a very hard time being converted to fat, it's the hardest of all. It would be burned for fuel before stored as fat.

~SC~

Physiologically protein is the macronutrient least likely to be converted to fat, and consuming protein offers a metabolic advantage, so i hear what you're saying. However, only 15% of dietary calories in the form of protein (given that enough calories are consumed) are needed to maintain muscle mass.

[usualsuspect]

Is someone trying to get brownie points here lol?

This thread is over 3 months old

Ps I know some ppl really miss SC...but digging up old posts probably won't be enough to bring him back. However, I'm sure he'll continue the discussion with you on his board if you are really looking for a response.

[hawktribal]

Is someone trying to get brownie points here lol?

This thread is over 3 months old

Ps I know some ppl really miss SC...but digging up old posts probably won't be enough to bring him back. However, I'm sure he'll continue the discussion with you on his board if you are really looking for a response.

i agree. leave the old posts dead especially if you're just going to bump it to say "great post." that's not contributing to the board whatsoever.