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    Want to lose fat

    If i want to keep all my muscle and lose all the fat, what kind of plan would I do? Whats the losing fat calculator for calories for bodyweight? How much protein, carbs and fat do I need in my diet? Im a little confused. How much cardio do I do?

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    Cutting you'll lose some of your muscle no matter what..it comes with the territory. Same as bulking you'll gain some fat. What are your stats? your goals? do you have a sample diet? seems like you need to do a little bit of research. Check out the sticky for "unofficial cutting diet" and post up a diet. We can go from there.

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    There are many types of diets one could follow, CKD,Opus, Atkins et cetera. As a bodybuilder(active) I prefer the theory to aslightly modified CKD diet. There all the same but differ on specifics, lose fat salvage muscle

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    IMO the atkins diet sucks ass. Yeah you will lose weight fast if ya do it right but i lost a lot of stregth doing it. Maybe i did something wrong but i dont think so.

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    Yes Atkins is for sedentary individuals, for active and BBs CKD is much more efficient.

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    what is cdk diet?

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    Question: What is a CKD diet?

    Answer: . CKD stands for Cyclical Ketogenic Diet. This is a low carbohydrate diet that induces a metabolic state known as ketosis and includes a period of high carbohydrate eating to replenish glycogen stores depleted by exercise. The general idea is to get the body to burn fat in those low-carb days and then refill muscle stores during the high-carb days to beat fatigue. Rather than following a strictly low carbohydrate approach indefinitely, the CKD diet usally combines 5 or 6 days of low carbohydrate intake with 2 days of "carb loading" similar to what endurance athletes used to do before competing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriouslifter
    If i want to keep all my muscle and lose all the fat, what kind of plan would I do? Whats the losing fat calculator for calories for bodyweight? How much protein, carbs and fat do I need in my diet? Im a little confused. How much cardio do I do?
    I'd suggest a lot of reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audis4
    Question: What is a CKD diet?

    Answer: . CKD stands for Cyclical Ketogenic Diet. This is a low carbohydrate diet that induces a metabolic state known as ketosis and includes a period of high carbohydrate eating to replenish glycogen stores depleted by exercise. The general idea is to get the body to burn fat in those low-carb days and then refill muscle stores during the high-carb days to beat fatigue. Rather than following a strictly low carbohydrate approach indefinitely, the CKD diet usally combines 5 or 6 days of low carbohydrate intake with 2 days of "carb loading" similar to what endurance athletes used to do before competing.
    Ok so how would i set my diet up with this? when would I eat alot of carbs on the days im suppose to?

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    Other than the diet piece, I'd begin tinkering with my cardio sessions. For me personally, I find that I'm able to shed the most fat when doing a 20-30 minute cardio session post workout. There are a gajillion threads on here about the timing of cardio so check out the subject by using the search key. Some will say first thing in the AM. Some will say PWO. It just all depends on the individual as what works for me may not work for you.

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    Ok so how would i set my diet up with this? when would I eat alot of carbs on the days im suppose to?
    Are you kidding me right now??!! So, I was kind enough to do a search for YOU, yet your questions lies within the answer I just GAVE you. Read the post bro!
    Last edited by audis4; 08-17-2006 at 08:32 AM.

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    READ.

    So, you want to start a CKD. Now, what the hell is a CKD you ask? Well, a CKD (cyclo-ketonic-diet) is simply a diet that consists of two cycles: low/no-carbohydrates and high-carbohydrates. How do these two come together to actually make a diet, simply stated: they do, that’s it. But, to be serious. A Ketonic diet is something that we all hear from Atkins, which is basically High-Fat, Moderate-Protein and Low/No-Carbs. Yet, this type of diet, although very effective for the average Joe, is not sufficient for a bodybuilder’s (weightlifter’s) needs.
    Why? Well, once your muscle glycogen is depleted, your workouts become a pain in the ass, you are sluggish and muscle loss can occur. (due to the fact that no insulin is present in the system, there will be NO muscle gain while in Ketosis) Because, the main goal of Ketosis is to have no glycogen in the liver so glucagon can be released. (yada yada yada yada, well I don’t think anyone cares about the technical aspect, so I’ll get to the point)Basically, it all boils down to the following: Day 1-6 you eat High-Fat/Moderate-Protein/Low-No-Carbohydrates, then Day 7 you eat HIGH-GI carbohydrates and low-fat, in order to achieve supercompensation and refill muscle glycogen. (this will ensure quality training throughout every CKD cycle you do)
    Mr.X, can you please just shut-up and give us some information on setting up a CKD.

    YES, I can-------
    Setting up a CKD (6days Ketosis/1day Carb-Up)
    First-off, let’s figure out your BMR (basal-metabolic-rate). Take your weight and multiply it by 12=daily calorie intake without a deficit.
    (100lb person) Example: 100lb x 12cal= 1200cal…1200cal=BMR
    Everything I put forth will revolve in one way or another around your BMR, so listen up.
    Online Calorie Calculator: http://168.144.38.254/ckd/default.asp

    6/1 ratio (6 days in ketosis/1 day carb-up)
    Figure out your BMR...(basal-metabolic-rate)=caloires needed to maintain current weight
    weight x 12=BMR....(EXAMPLE: 100lb x 12=1200 cal a day)
    Use the following fat/protein ratios w/ BMR deficit:
    Ketosis:
    Day:
    1-> 85%fat/15%protein--BMR-5%
    2-> 75%fat/25%protein--BMR-10%
    3-> 65%fat/35%protein--BMR-15%
    4-> 70%fat/30%protein--BMR
    5-> 70%fat/30%protein--BMR-10%
    6-> 65%fat/35%protein--BMR-15%
    Carb-Up:
    Day-7-> (CARB-UP) BMR+30% ---I will go into detail on the
    carb-up later in the article---
    So, how do you calculate these percents and BMR. Well, let’s use a 200lb person as an example of this.
    EXAMPLE BASED ON 200lb PERSON:
    200lb. x 12cal=2400cal (BMR)
    Ketosis: Days 1-6:
    Day 1: 85%fat/15%protein-- BMR-5%
    2400cal (BMR) x .05=120cal (is 5% from BMR)
    2400cal (BMR) – 120 cal (5%deficit)=2280cal for day 1
    ---fat ratios for day 1---
    2280cal x .85 (that is 85% fat)=1938cal from fat
    Fat has 9 calories/gram
    1938cal divided by 9cal/gram=215g fat for day 1
    ---now we need the protein ratios for day 1---
    ,p>2280cal x .15(that is 15%protein)=342 cal from protein
    Protein has 4 calories/grams
    342cal divided by 4cal/gram=86 g protein for day 1
    Totals for Day-1: 215g fat/86g protein
    Now, you might ask, why is the protein so low? Because protein can keep you out of Ketosis and, remember, everyday you are in Ketosis, you are burning fat while preserving muscle because Ketones (hence the name Ketosis) are protein sparing. Protein can convert to glycogen at almost 58% efficiency, so you see why excess protein is a bad idea. Plus, strictly from a scientific standpoint, a person can maintain current muscle mass at merely a 15%protein ratio, while no muscle gain is possible, maintenance is a very feasible idea with these ratios.
    Day 2: 75%fat/25%protein-- BMR-10%
    2400cal (BMR) x .10=240cal (is 10% from BMR)
    2400cal (BMR) – 240 cal (10%deficit)=2160cal for day 2
    ---fat ratios for day 2---
    2160cal x .75 (that is 75% fat)=1620cal from fat
    Fat has 9 calories/gram
    1620cal divided by 9cal/gram=180g fat for day 2
    ---now we need the protein ratios for day 2---
    2160cal x .15(that is 15%protein)=324 cal from protein
    Protein has 4 calories/grams
    324cal divided by 4cal/gram=81 g protein for day 2
    Totals for Day-2: 180g fat/81g protein
    Day 3: 65%fat/35%protein--BMR-15%
    2400cal (BMR) x .15=360cal (is 15% from BMR)
    2400cal (BMR) – 360 cal (15%deficit)=2040cal for day 3
    ---fat ratios for day 3---
    2040cal x .65 (that is 65% fat)=1326cal from fat
    Fat has 9 calories/gram
    1326cal divided by 9cal/gram=147g fat for day 3
    ---now we need the protein ratios for day 3---
    2040cal x .35(that is 35%protein)=714 cal from protein
    Protein has 4 calories/grams
    714cal divided by 4cal/gram=178 g protein for day 3
    Totals for Day-3: 147g fat/178g protein
    Day 4: 70%fat/30%protein-- BMR
    2400cal (BMR)
    ---fat ratios for day 4---
    2400cal x .70 (that is 70% fat)=1680cal from fat
    Fat has 9 calories/gram
    1680cal divided by 9cal/gram=186g fat for day 4
    ---now we need the protein ratios for day 4---
    2400cal x .30(that is 30%protein)=720 cal from protein
    Protein has 4 calories/grams
    720cal divided by 4cal/gram=180 g protein for day 4
    Totals for Day-4: 186g fat/180g protein
    Day 5: 70%fat/30%protein--BMR-10%
    2400cal (BMR) x .10=240cal (is 10% from BMR)
    2400cal (BMR) – 240 cal (10%deficit)=2160cal for day 5
    ---fat ratios for day 5---
    2160cal x .70 (that is 70% fat)=1512cal from fat
    Fat has 9 calories/gram
    1512cal divided by 9cal/gram=168g fat for day 5
    ---now we need the protein ratios for day 5---
    2160cal x .30(that is 30%protein)=648 cal from protein
    Protein has 4 calories/grams
    648cal divided by 4cal/gram=162 g protein for day 5
    Totals for Day-5: 168g fat/162g protein
    Day 6: (same as day 3) 65%fat/35%protein-- BMR-15%
    2400cal (BMR) x .15=360cal (is 15% from BMR)
    2400cal (BMR) – 360 cal (15%deficit)=2040cal for day 6
    ---fat ratios for day 6---
    2040cal x .65 (that is 65% fat)=1326cal from fat
    Fat has 9 calories/gram
    1326cal divided by 9cal/gram=147g fat for day 6
    ---now we need the protein ratios for day 6---
    2040cal x .35(that is 35%protein)=714 cal from protein
    Protein has 4 calories/grams
    714cal divided by 4cal/gram=178 g protein for day 6
    Totals for Day-6: 147g fat/178g protein
    Essential-Fatty-Acids: flaxseed oil, sesames seed oil, sunflower seed oil, grape seed oil, olive oil, peanut oil
    Now, I know, I know. You want to know how to do this the easy way. Because, what I’ve just shown beforehand is probably damn complicated. So, here is a simple rule-of-thumb way to break down your Ketosis ratios:
    1)Set calories at: 12 cal/lb
    2)Set protein intake: typically 0.9 g/lb. Protein has 4 cal/gram
    3)Set fat intake: take protein calories and subtract them from total calories, then divide by 9 to get grams of fat.
    In practice, most people end up eating about 1 gram of fat for every gram of protein. Ketosis almost always establishes with 1/1 ratios. (fat/protein -grams-)
    CARB-UP:
    I’ve heard different ratios stated by different people on this subject, but as you know, opinions are like ass-holes everyone has one and it stinks. So, I will attempt to come up with a feasible ratios for you.
    DAY 7: --carb-up— BMR+30%
    EXAMPLE FOR A 200lb PERSON:
    2400cal (BMR) x .30= 720cal
    2400cal + 720cal=3120cal
    ~70%carbs/20%protein/10%fat~
    CARBS:
    3120 x .70= 2185 cal from carbs
    Carbohydrates have 4cal/g
    2185cal divided by 4ca/g=546g carbs
    PROTEIN:
    3120 x .20=624cal from protein
    Protein has 4cal/g
    624cal divided by 4cal/g=156g protein
    FAT:
    3120 x .10=312 cal from fat
    Fat has 9cal/g
    312 divided by 9=35g fat
    Totals: 546g carbs/156g protein/35g fat
    SAMPLE CARB-UP: (6meals) –based on 200lb person—
    1-2: 150 g liquid glucose polymers...like carb powders (ex..carbo max, dextrose..etc.) w/ 1 scoop protein
    3-4: 75 g of liquid and solid glucose polymers...sugar cereals (frosted flakes,honey-nut-cheerios..etc) w/ fat-free milk w/ 1/4 cup walnuts
    5-6: 50 g of complex carbs (low-GI)...oatmeal, brown-rice, beans, yams, sweet potato w/ 1/4 cup walnuts
    FRUCTOSE: (i.e. FRUITS)
    Why is it that people say to avoid fructose? I've heard that quite a few times, and was curious why. How important is this? Fructose resupplies the liver with glycogen first, if the liver is full, then via the pentose phosphate pathway, all additional fructose goes to FAT.
    I know that every reader wants a simple way to figure out a carb-up, so here it is:
    1) Set total calories at: 16 cal/lb
    2) Set protein intake: typically 0.2 g/lb. Protein has 4 cal/gram
    3) Set fat intake: usually 0.1g/lb. Fat has 9cal/gram
    4) Set carb. intake: add protein and fat calories and subtract it from total calories, then divide by 4 to get grams of carbs.
    In practice, most people end up eating about 2.7 grams of carbs for every lb of weight.
    So, what type of workout and cardio do you have to do while on CKD. Here is a sample workout routine based on a 6/1 CKD. (6day Ketosis/1day carb-up)
    Day:
    1- 30 min cardio morning(empty stomach)/workout: Chest, Upper-Back, shoulders, arms, traps, abs
    2- 30 min cardio morning/ workout: Legs, (includes, calfs, hams,quads), lower-back
    3- 45 min cardio morning OR 1 hour cardio during the day
    4- SAME AS DAY 3
    5- 30-45 min cardio AM no workout
    6- 30 min cardio AM/ full body workout = circuit training 3-5 times (very light 20-25reps)
    7- before carb-up…early in AM do a full body circuit workout 3-5 times (very light 20-25reps), then IMMEDIATELY begin CARB-UP.
    -(DAY 1-6) For each bodypart do 1-2 exercises with 12-10-18-6 -dropset-12 reps---
    ex: bench-press 12/10/8/6 drop set 12 reps
    -You can increase the number of exercises for legs 1-3 with 12-10-8-6-12 reps---
    Ok, now that I have given you way too much information to comprehend, I am going to load up a little more info about supplements and then we’re done.
    Supplements you need for CKD:
    FIBER –soluble or any other form
    Multi Vitamins(MV)/ Multi Minerals(MM)
    AdipoKinetix
    Ephedrine
    (PPA stack on ************ is a very good buy…great quality too)
    HOW TO TAKE THEM:
    Take MV and MM two times a day (recommended dose), one in the morning and one in the afternoon (around 2-3pm)
    Take each 1-3 pills AdipoKinetix with 25mg of ephedrine. 2-3 times a day.
    Take Fiber supplementation 2 times a day…once in the morning, and once before bed
    WHAT INTERRUPTS KETOSIS?
    The only supplements that seem to reliably interrupt ketosis (that I've discovered at least) are vanadyl (seems to affect liver glycogen status) and citrimax (Hydroxycitric acid). Citric acid (found in diet sodas) kicks some people out of ketosis, but does not affect everybody. Aspartame also seems to affect some people but isn't consistent. The anti-oxidant n-acetyl-cysteine can give a false positive for ketosis, but that is all I can think of at the moment.
    Basically, the only way to really negatively affect ketosis is by raising blood glucose, or affecting liver metabolism.
    Oh yeah, and eating a bunch of carbs while in Ketosis will 100% kick you out of Ketosis.

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