time release protien vs regular

[indaweedz]

Got into a debate today with a workout buddy, he takes GNC TR Complete 3 times a day, (20g ea) and eats alot of high protien foods, he figures somewhere around 220g total a day. I take two mega whey extreme shakes (60g ea) through the day, and an 1850 weight gainer (50g + 320g carbs...yes 320) pwo, but i dont eat as much real food as him, just chex for breakfast, three cups of yogurt, large sandwich for lunch, four eggs, and about a pound of meat (beef, pork, or chicken) for dinner...ive gained 20lbs in four months on this...with some fat though.

Im looking for theories on which is better, to take the time release protien at such small dosages or load up on regular protien like im doing? Also feel free to criticize my (or his) diet.

[audis4]

Got into a debate today with a workout buddy, he takes GNC TR Complete 3 times a day, (20g ea) and eats alot of high protien foods, he figures somewhere around 220g total a day. I take two mega whey extreme shakes (60g ea) through the day, and an 1850 weight gainer (50g + 320g carbs...yes 320) pwo, but i dont eat as much real food as him, just chex for breakfast, three cups of yogurt, large sandwich for lunch, four eggs, and about a pound of meat (beef, pork, or chicken) for dinner...ive gained 20lbs in four months on this...with some fat though.

Im looking for theories on which is better, to take the time release protien at such small dosages or load up on regular protien like im doing? Also feel free to criticize my (or his) diet.

220g isn't considered "high protein."
I would never consider drinking those weight gainers. If anything, I'd make my own gainer shake. Whole food is MUCH better! Eating 6 times per day is much better than the average 3 times per day.
If you want further help, list stats. If you want your diet critiqued list that with macros for each meal and final macros for the day.

[C_Bino]

I dont like either approach really but thats me. But if I were to take shakes I would go with a slow release for sure like Cassien's and what not. I wouldnt use whey except maybe PWO but even that I dont do.

I eat 7-8 whole food meals per day.

[indaweedz]

im 24yo 175-180, 18%BF, started lifting again around oct 03, started dieting to gain weight in jan. and its been decent so far. heres what i understand to be the macros, but im new im not sure if this is correct.

meal 1, 7a:
chex cereal and skim milk 203cal, 10g pro, 1g fat, 39g carb
high pro boost shake 240 cal, 15g pro, 6g fat, 33g carb
443 cal, 25g pro, 7g fat, 72g carb

meal 2 9a:
gnc mega whey extreme shake 310cal, 60g pro, 2g fat, 13g carb
1 cup light yogurt 80 cal, 6g pro, 0g fat, 13g carb
390 cal, 66g pro, 2g fat, 26g carb

meal 3 11a (lunch)
wheat, ham and turkey w mustard 310cal, 28g pro, 6g fat, 32g carb
boost shake 240 cal, 15g pro, 6g fat, 33g carb
550 cal, 43g pro, 12g fat, 65g carb

meal 4 2pm
4 boiled egg whites...hope i have the right values 68cal, 14g pro, 0 fat, 1 carb...didnt realize the yolk had so much protien 1till now
mega whey extreme shake 310 cal, 60g pro, 2g fat, 13g carb
cup light yogurt 80 cal, 6g pro, 0 fat, 13g carb
458 cal, 80g pro, 2g fat, 27g carb

meal 5 6pm
3/4 lb either lean beef, broiled chicken, and sometimes broiled porkchops
appx 800 cal 100g pro and an avg of 25g fat, 0 carbs
cup light yogurt 80 cal, 6g pro 0 fat, 13g carb
850cal, 100g pro, 25g fat, 13g carb (my best estimate)

workout @8

meal 6 ppwo 9p
1850 shake + 3 cups skimmilk
1850 cal, 75g pro, 17g fat, 356g carb

totals
4533 cal, 389 pro, 65g fat, 559g carb

ive gained about all the weight i care too right now im about to ditch the weight gainer shake for a regular protien shake but this is my diet thru august

also im still wondering if the time release would be benificial, perhaps for my post workout shake so i have something to feed on while sleeping...

[indaweedz]

I dont like either approach really but thats me. But if I were to take shakes I would go with a slow release for sure like Cassien's and what not. I wouldnt use whey except maybe PWO but even that I dont do.

I eat 7-8 whole food meals per day.

i was typing while you posted this...sounds like i am using the shakes as a staple of my diet when i should be eating more real food. the shakes are fast and convenient and im a poor cook, but i guess i just gotta suck it up and figure out some more things to eat.

forgot to mention...

i have a taco or some cheat every friday for lunch, but i still have my sandwich etc

i take multis, hmb, glut, milk digestant, gluclosimine, and i cycle c q-10

[audis4]

your 18% BF and your bulking? No offense but I would cut, then work on a nice bulk. Check out the cutting sticky in the diet forum.

[C_Bino]

Well bro what you need to do is just set up your diet to be more consistent. Shakes are ok, I mean its better than nothing and PLENTY of people will argue against me for not using shakes at all so dont worry.
But what you should do imo is figure out how many cals you want to consume per day and how many cals for each macro you want...like how many cals from protein, carbs and fats.
Then split ti pretty evenly between ur meals. I notice in one of your meals for example you have 25g protein and another you have 100g protein. Try to make them both 50g for example.

Keep carbs pretty consistent too but maybe limit them at night before bed and have them a little higher post workout as well.

This is just a general guide man. I can get more specific and give u a sample of what I eat if you want.
But I suggest to start that you just try to spread things more evenly and try to get some more solid food, for example chicken breast with a yam instead of having a sandwish etc.

[indaweedz]

yeah ive been bulking since earlier this year ive always lost and gained pretty easy. i wanted to take 3-4 months to cut but i have not figured out how im going to do my diet, i was looking at the lean mass sticky and trying to get some ideas from it, hockey starts in a month and i tend to lose weight if i dont keep my intake up...or should i just use a cutting diet, let it happen and then bulk from there?

[indaweedz]

i see what you mean about being more consistent...and the lunch is one of the easiest things for me to change too.

[QUOTE=C_Bino]

Keep carbs pretty consistent too but maybe limit them at night before bed and have them a little higher post workout as well.

QUOTE]
i havent found a good solution to this...

i work out at 9, and go to bed after i have my ppwo, and its full of carbs. im worried if i moved my workout to 6, right when i get off, i wont have much energy and ill have a shitty workout, but my meals will be easier to manage and i bet ill sleep better. maybe workout at 7...?

[C_Bino]

Great stuff bro. You seem like you get the basic concepts and what not and with some fine tuning and your willingness as it seems you have you will be able to really work sonders with your diet and improve your energy levels (if they are down after work) and also make progress in your workouts and physiques.

[indaweedz]

Great stuff bro. You seem like you get the basic concepts and what not and with some fine tuning and your willingness as it seems you have you will be able to really work sonders with your diet and improve your energy levels (if they are down after work) and also make progress in your workouts and physiques.

thanks, if you dont mind would you post your diet? im up way to late i have to get to bed...ill post a rough draft tomorrow if i can get some ideas.

thanks for both of yalls input!

[JohnboyF]

Here is a link to sample diets

should answer all your question and adress your goals http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

at the top..

[C_Bino]

Ok this is just a SAMPLE of my diet. It changes almost daily but you will get the idea.

1.
10 egg whites
3 whole eggs
60g oats
1 banana

2.
8oz lean beef
2 medium potatoes

3.
10oz chicken breast
3/4 whole wheat pasta

4.
8oz beef
1 yam

5.
8oz tilapia
100g oats

6. PWO
8oz tilapia
1 yam

7.
10oz chicken
1 tbsp flax