Diet plan

[seriouslifter]

How much should I be taking in for breakfast? Does 50g of protein and 50g of carbs sound good? 7 eggs boiled and 1 cup of oatmeal and 2 tsp of natty pb?? Should I be taking in more carbs. I want to get a strict diet down and really do it right.

[IBdmfkr]

7 whole eggs? That's a ton of fat, try Egg whites instead especially if you're including the PB.

[audis4]

3 tsp's of PB is 1 serving.
I would do 1 cup oats, 10 eggwhites done.

[seriouslifter]

3 tsp's of PB is 1 serving.
I would do 1 cup oats, 10 eggwhites done.

ummm what about the yolks?? what am i doing with them, thats half the protein people say eat whole egg.

[mateo112]

yolks have all the chloresteral

[audis4]

ummm what about the yolks?? what am i doing with them, thats half the protein people say eat whole egg.

well, yolks are very beneficial (many vitamins/minerals) but limit the yolk to 1-2.
Each eggwhite (average size) has about 17 cals, 4g protein, 0g carbs, 0g fat.
You can either hardboil eggs (remove yolks) or do what I usually do and crack the eggs, drain whites out and throw yolk away.

[CoreyTampa09]

Aren't you going to be mixing macros with the yolks and natural pb?

[audis4]

Aren't you going to be mixing macros with the yolks and natural pb?

you mean yolks and oats?
As long as the fat content isn't outrageous you should be fine. I would do no more than 2 yolks and drop the PB.

[IBdmfkr]

Why are people so scared to "mix macros", this whole board it seems is terrified of doing this yet no one has any reason behind it other than SC said not to.

Any explanation?

[audis4]

Why are people so scared to "mix macros", this whole board it seems is terrified of doing this yet no one has any reason behind it other than SC said not to.

Any explanation?

I was always under the impression that you either use fats or carbs as energy and if you have both, one will be stored as fat and you will burn the other energy source....I dunno if that even makes sense?

[IBdmfkr]

It doesn't make sense to me, no.

If you spike the your blood sugar levels, then yea I could see where you're coming from, but if you have well-balanced meals and watch your total caloric intake and utilize proper portion sizes then I don't see how you figure this.

Look at all the healthy meals that this applies to, I'll name a few.
Salmon/Rice/Broccoli
Steak/Potato/Green beans
Corn soft tacos w/extra lean beef w/guacamole
Pork Loin/lamb/veal/buffalo/chicken/whole eggs with any low GI carb source.

Bodybuilders and other athletes eat these combinations everyday all the way up to the time they go to sleep without getting obese or overweight in the least bit. It's the processed/refined products that when over eaten normally contain both sugars and fats leading to fat storage. A healthy diet consisting of low fats, moderate protein, and the bulk in low GI carbs/fibers is one of the healthiest approaches you can take IMO.

[audis4]

hmmm ok.
So lets say I have a meal which consists of 50g protein (chicken) 50g carbs (oats) and 20g fat (natty peanut butter) this meal would be perfectly fine?

[IBdmfkr]

That one is up for debate.. (also keep in mind different individuals respond to different things, trial and error is Key).

Personally I would consider that "mixing macros" in the fact that when I do a carb/prot/fat meal it is from natural fats. There honestly isn't any need for PB in your diet if you're getting the proper variety of meats.
So in the case of PB if I were to have it I would put it with protein by itself to slow the absorption, otherwise I'd consider it a cheat.

If you utilize red-meat and fatty fish in your diet then you should have no problem getting 10-20% of your calories from natural fats.

This isn't at all directed towards you Audi as I have been guilty of the very same thing in the past, but it just seems like this board in particular seems to just follow someone's lead when they make blank statements like "don't mix macros" without any evidence to back it just because they have a great physique or seem to know what they're talking about. It seems people spend so much time on these boards that could be utilized reading books on different training protocols/diet practices/and other books on physiology to broaden the overall knowledge of what we spend so much of our time doing with our lifestyles.
Just a thought

[audis4]

oh right on, I'll keep this in mind. Thanks for clearing things up.

[IBdmfkr]

Hope it helped a bit.. again this is merely my theory upon my studies/experimentation upon myself and other clients. Others like SC, obviously has his own way of doing things which are working very well for him and his clients. I just don't advertise on the net like others and am more particular on who I choose to spend my time with.

Goodluck and sorry to hijack the thread, hopefully it gave seriouslifter some insight and ideas as well.

[CoreyTampa09]

Thank you I**. Maybe you can help me out then. Since I found this board Ive been following the "not mix macro rule" for some time now. I was lifting for 6 months before I started on this board and for the past year Ive been doing everything on here. Ive had success but still havent got rid of the disgusting fat store on my lovehandles and lower back which gives me a very misleading figure. I dont mean to hi-jack this thread but I posted up a new regiment and my diet is also listed in the diet forum. Maybe you can take a look and potentially suggest a whole new strategy for me that could work and help others who arent achieving there goals.

[IBdmfkr]

I'll take a look bro..

[TR'05]

I'm under the impression that when you consume carb's in a meal the resulting increase in LDL hormone will potentially increase the likihood of storing the fat which is present it the meal. The fat which cannot be utilized binds onto the present LDL where it is then stored fat. Now obviously this is all based on the individual.

I, myself, have tried both while on seperate cuts. I found I was able to cut more quickly with seperate macros, which leads me to believe my blood sugar levels are quite sensitive. From others I've talked to, most seem to have some significant success by seperating the fat and carb's, but as with everything in this crazy world of diet, nutrition, and fitness it depends on who we're talking about.

[IBdmfkr]

How would you define seperating Macros?

[TR'05]

Splitting up the meals whereby each meal is made up of protein and, predominantly, fat or carbs. That is, in a PRO/CARB meal there will be some small amounts of fat- usually between 5-7grams; in a PRO/FAt there will be small amounts of carbs- realistically, around 10.

[usualsuspect]

NOT FLAMING OR TRYING TO BE AN ASS - REALLY.

This stuff scares me a little. What is the goal of this level of dietary manipulation? It's not body comp - you can attain excellent bodycomp without this level of "attention." It's not performance - same thing.

Very interesting I guess in and of itself, but a little alarm always goes off when I see stuff like this. Diet "obsession" as a thing independant of a performance related goal can lead down some negative roads. I've seen it more then a couple times in 10 years of being a trainer.

I hope this doesn't piss anyone off, and it's not an accusation - just a little nudge from one of the more experienced guys. I think IB hit the nail on the head with the SC comment. As the old adage goes, "there is more than one way to skin a cat."

Take it as you will.

[TR'05]

usualsuspect, I don't take it as a flame at all. I appreciate any and all insightful comments that members like yourself and IB post up here.

I understand what you're saying about diet obsession and I know, personally, I've thought about that kind of thing mysel and I've heard similar comments before. I like to think I don't really take this stuff seriously enough to fall into the category of obessed. I just know which ways have worked best for me. By no means, am I a 365 day a year compulsive measurer of food, counting of all macros, etc. But, I mean, when summer rolls around I like to look half decent on the old beach. haha.

Anyways, beyond that, I like to think of myself as an impressionable guy- but in a good way. I really read this forum (and diet is pretty much the only one i ever frequent) to build up some knowledge and take a stab at different ways of doing things. The kinds of comments, such as yours and past ones you've been tossin' up on threads the past little while have been great food for thought. And, as an old rap lyric goes, i'll do the dishes. The info is much appreciated.

[IBdmfkr]

I deff fall under the obsessed category

But then again my income/life depends on my look and presentation so it goes hand in hand.