Cant handle bulking =[...back to cutting

[CoreyTampa09]

Ok guys well after many many manyyy weeks of cutting 30+ I got lean and looked good at about 182 and then I just stopped losing weight all together..infact I was putting on weight with the same foods..could be due to my TRT therapy. I then tried bulking..for the past 2 weeks Ive been bulking...fairly clean with the exception of probally 4 slices of whole wheat bread for PPWO and deli turkey meat. I cant handle it. I went from 182ish to now im sitting at 200. You all will flame away saying its really not possibly...its half water weight but I just dont feel comfortable. Coming from a person who was fat I just cant handle getting back to that level again. One of the reasons this could be happening is becuase I neevr fully got rid of all of my stomach,side and lower back fat.. so my adipose cells are just refilling with triglycerides. This time around im going to cut and not stop till im at 10 percent. When I started my bulk id say i was around 14% which I guess I shouldnt of done...So here it is my new cutting routine.
Stats as of now:
Age:19 1/2
Weight: 198 Morning
Height: 5'11
BF%: 15-17% ANNOYING LOWER CHEST,LOWER STOMACH,LOVEHANDLES,LOWER BACK

Example Lifts:
Bench: 185/12 195/10 205/8 215/5 225/3
Incline Dumbell: 75/12 80/10 85/6
Dumbell Row: 75/12 80/10 85/8 85/6
Squat: 225/12 245/10 265/8 285/5 (Wont go more due to bulging discs)
Dumbell Shoulder Press: 65/12 65/10 70/8 70/6
Front Raises: 25/12 30/10 35/6
Closegrip Bench: 145/12 155/10 175/6 185/5

***On TRT Therapy at 200mg/2 weeks Test E...hasnt done much yet =[. Will soon get it regulated to 100mg or 150mg every week.
Week 1-2 No supplements
Weeks 2-8(Lions Clen..or something better if anyones knows) Benadryl at week 3)
Weeks 9-12(Some type of thermogenic) + Amp or maybe something like sesamin
(May get BCAA's/Glutamine) - For use before AM cardio to avoid muscle burning
*** Was wondering If I should maybe incorporate an ANTI E as Ive heard I should have it my TRT approach anyway.
I was thinking of maybe throwing in Tribulus to maybe get more of my natural test in there...but im not sure either

Split - High Intensity - 30-45 seconds between sets. Am Cardio 40 min and 20min pwo cardio.12/12/6/6

Legs(16)/Bis(6)Cables and preacherTris(All sets superseted with varioud ab excercise
Chest(12)Presses/Tris(6) Kickbacks/ Palm up cable pushdown(Allsets superseted with dips at BW)
Back(16)/Traps(8)(all sets superseted with various ab excercise)
Rest
Bis(6)Olympic Bar/Tris(6)Overheadpress/CloseGrip/Chest(6) Flys/All Sets superseted with Dips
Shoulders(14)/Traps(6)
Rest
Repeat

Diet:

9:00am - 12 egg whites in a salad with various veggies/ 10 mg flax

12:30pm - 2 cans of tuna/ 1tbsp Natural PB

4:00pm - 3/4 cup of oats/ 1 1/2 scoop of ON whey

5:15pm - 2 scoops of ON whey/ 1 cup of oats/1/2 banana

6:30pm - 6 egg whites/6slices of turkey in a salad with various veggies/1 tbsp Natural PB

10:00pm - 1/4 cup of cottage cheese/1scoop of on whey/1 tbsp of natural pb/5 mg flax blended

Carbs -110 440
Protein - 240 960
Fat - 45 405
+200 (All veggies consumed with P/F meals)
Total: 2000Cals

My split seems like its over training yes...but Im not hitting the muscles with as many sets as a 4 or 5 day split, Im doing different excerices to hit different heads of the muscle more times during a week to possibly stimulate growth as they're my weeks spots.

[bigsd67]

hey bro, being a former fat boy i understand where you are coming from. I never really bulked up during my off season. I always tried to stay around 12 percent bodyfat or less. What made it easy for me is that I started at a very low post competition bodyfat (3-3.5%) I would never want to start bulking at 14% because like you said, you will definitely refill your fat cells. My advice is to cut as hard as you can and then SLOWLY add calories and some size. If you are comfortable at 182 then there's no reason to gain weight.

[CoreyTampa09]

True...thank you very much...finally somebody undestands the mentality...Man I would kill to get to 10% and finally see abs let alone 3 percent. Any other minor things you could throw in there so I can get every bit out of cutting this time around...anything?

[Columbus]

I agree to stay below 12% but no need to cut at that weight. You are 6 foot bro....you need some sheer mass....unless you just are in this for a hobby and health, but my feelings is a 6 footer should weigh 190+ to look good. I am one to talk, as at 6'2, I dwindled down to 160lbs......its dumb, I lost a ton of mass and now I am payhing for it. I am also on hrt dose of 250mg cyp/week and gain 20lbs over the last 12 weeks...sure its some water, some fat and some muscle but I am getting stronger everyday!

[bigcat3727]

In regards to your diet you may wanna get food sources of protein instead of all those whey shakes, unless your 4 and 5:15 meals are your pre and pwo... just my opinion

[CoreyTampa09]

Yah...those are my pre and PWO...lol...as ive found out im carb sensitive..thats why my PWO is only 60-70 carbs. And the last meal is just a hybrid of cassein,whey and the fats before bed.

[CoreyTampa09]

Also, prior to me heading back to cutting 2-3 days before im going to buy a liver/colon cleanse...anybody know of any good ones they would reccomend...something not too pricey.

[1buffsob]

hey bro, being a former fat boy i understand where you are coming from. I never really bulked up during my off season. I always tried to stay around 12 percent bodyfat or less. What made it easy for me is that I started at a very low post competition bodyfat (3-3.5%) I would never want to start bulking at 14% because like you said, you will definitely refill your fat cells. My advice is to cut as hard as you can and then SLOWLY add calories and some size. If you are comfortable at 182 then there's no reason to gain weight.

I feel you there. The idea of losing my abs again really scares the shit out of me.

[perfectbeast2001]

I just posted this exact smae thing in my log. I used to be obese. I worked hard to get down to 9% and I was proud of my abs and definition. People in the gym/street would stop me and comment on my physique. Now im bulking im holding water and a little more fat. I hate it. I know I must do it in order to get bigger but I find it a huge problem mentally. Every day I look in the mirror and hate what I see. All my gym buddies wish they could put on size as fast but I just want to be lean. I know that in the end It will be worth it when I win my comp in April!!!

[bigsd67]

Not losing my abs has become somewhat of an obsession. One thing that helped me though is that during a bulk season last year I really worked hard on my abs going heavy and til failure. What I found is developing my abs so much helps me to keep them at a higher bodyfat percentage (still 10-12%). The thing that is good about that is I can eat healthy but balanced and maintain some normality in my life, but still look d@mn good. You'll find your balance...it took me about 2 good years of eating right and competing to do it.

[bigsd67]

I just posted this exact smae thing in my log. I used to be obese. I worked hard to get down to 9% and I was proud of my abs and definition. People in the gym/street would stop me and comment on my physique. Now im bulking im holding water and a little more fat. I hate it. I know I must do it in order to get bigger but I find it a huge problem mentally. Every day I look in the mirror and hate what I see. All my gym buddies wish they could put on size as fast but I just want to be lean. I know that in the end It will be worth it when I win my comp in April!!!

See that is a different animal. Because you are competing bulking may be much more important. When I put on weight one thing I always said to myself was it's for a purpose and I KNOW KNOW KNOW I will see those abs again. Then once you are done competing you'll know what it takes to keep a low bodyfat but still be normal.

[Columbus]

ABS = overated....trust me...Ive had em, I have them, Im losing them, but being big is 10x better!

[1buffsob]

Good posts bigsd67. I see we have the same views.

I really need to work harder on my abs. I lose them at about 9%bf.

[1buffsob]

ABS = overated....trust me...Ive had em, I have them, Im losing them, but being big is 10x better!

The same could be said about being big. The grass is always greener on the other side bro.

[bigsd67]

ABS = overated....trust me...Ive had em, I have them, Im losing them, but being big is 10x better!

SEX = NOT OVERRATED...I got a hell of a lot more when I was leaner and ripped vs. bigger but still muscular.

[1buffsob]

SEX = NOT OVERRATED...I got a hell of a lot more when I was leaner and ripped vs. bigger but still muscular.

You can't really argue with that.

[Columbus]

Ok....

[CoreyTampa09]

Lol guys..seems like were all on the same boat...but theres one thing...Ive never seen my abs =[ Closest was about 4 weeks ago when Flexed I could see the outline of 4.I just feel like I will never rid this disgusting layer...that chest fat that seems to hang over when slouched forward...I Will do anything to get completely schredded this cut around.

[perfectbeast2001]

Don't worry bro I thought the same then i changed my cutting diet around with much help from this forum and a couple of weeks later they were there!

[bigsd67]

Lol guys..seems like were all on the same boat...but theres one thing...Ive never seen my abs =[ Closest was about 4 weeks ago when Flexed I could see the outline of 4.I just feel like I will never rid this disgusting layer...that chest fat that seems to hang over when slouched forward...I Will do anything to get completely schredded this cut around.

Gotta give it time bro. I thought I would never in my life see my abs. I accepted that I would just be stocky and all that crap. Then I met with a few good bodybuilders and found out what it really took to go the distance. It's all about time and consistency. DO NOT STOP UNTIL YOU ARE SATISFIED.

[CoreyTampa09]

So...from whats up top...does it look possible..or any pointers?

[bigsd67]

A good way to start with a calorie intake is your weight times 15 (very very rough estimate). Take away 250 cals and then burn more cals through exercise. This would put your calorie intake at 2750 to start. As you get leaner drop cals by 1 to 200 every few weeks. Your goal is to start as high cal as you can to prevent muscle loss and plateauing. I would do something like this.

Meal one P/C - 600 cals
Meal 2 - p/f 400 cals
Meal 3 - pre workout p/c 500 cals
Meal 4 - PWO 500 cals
Meal 5 - PPWO p/c 500 cals
Meal 6 - p/f 300 cals

You can figure out a plan from that, but this is what I do for myself and my Training clients and it works well.

[1buffsob]

A good way to start with a calorie intake is your weight times 15 (very very rough estimate). Take away 250 cals and then burn more cals through exercise. This would put your calorie intake at 2750 to start. As you get leaner drop cals by 1 to 200 every few weeks. Your goal is to start as high cal as you can to prevent muscle loss and plateauing. I would do something like this.

Meal one P/C - 600 cals
Meal 2 - p/f 400 cals
Meal 3 - pre workout p/c 500 cals
Meal 4 - PWO 500 cals
Meal 5 - PPWO p/c 500 cals
Meal 6 - p/f 300 cals

You can figure out a plan from that, but this is what I do for myself and my Training clients and it works well.

Very nice. I like it.

[audis4]

A good way to start with a calorie intake is your weight times 15 (very very rough estimate). Take away 250 cals and then burn more cals through exercise. This would put your calorie intake at 2750 to start. As you get leaner drop cals by 1 to 200 every few weeks. Your goal is to start as high cal as you can to prevent muscle loss and plateauing. I would do something like this.

Meal one P/C - 600 cals
Meal 2 - p/f 400 cals
Meal 3 - pre workout p/c 500 cals
Meal 4 - PWO 500 cals
Meal 5 - PPWO p/c 500 cals
Meal 6 - p/f 300 cals

You can figure out a plan from that, but this is what I do for myself and my Training clients and it works well.

Almost looks exactly how I set my cutter up as well. I like it.

[Venum]

guys I am in the same boat, don't mean to hijack but I follow a very similar diet plan. do my meals have to be spread the same amount of time apart? Can I have one 3 hours later and another 2 hours later? also, the sticky I've been using says carbs only breakfast, pwo and ppwo. I am getting in around 200 carbs a day with the sticky diet. I am scared to try to throw in more carbs pre-work out.....I desperatly want to be lean again!

[1buffsob]

guys I am in the same boat, don't mean to hijack but I follow a very similar diet plan. do my meals have to be spread the same amount of time apart? Can I have one 3 hours later and another 2 hours later?

Yes. Now, back to the thread at hand.....

[bigsd67]

guys I am in the same boat, don't mean to hijack but I follow a very similar diet plan. do my meals have to be spread the same amount of time apart? Can I have one 3 hours later and another 2 hours later? also, the sticky I've been using says carbs only breakfast, pwo and ppwo. I am getting in around 200 carbs a day with the sticky diet. I am scared to try to throw in more carbs pre-work out.....I desperatly want to be lean again!

I usually eat every 2-3 hours..sometimes after two hours my stomach grumbles and says i'm hungry...so I eat. Other times after 3 hours I'm not so hungry so I may stretch it to 3.5 hours at the most. If you really listen to your body you will find what works best. Usually at night I can stretch a little longer because my appetite decreases as my activity decreases.

As far as Pre workout carbs, I have done both p/f and p/c and found that slow burning carbs about 1 hour before keeps my up and running. I think that if all of your other meals are in check and you have a negative calorie balance you will still lose body fat. If you can sneak in 30-50 carbs pre workout and still lean out then DO IT. I dont think you will see negative sides from 250g carbs per day and remember I used to be FAT, so my worries are the same as yours. PM me if you want more suggestions.

[Columbus]

I do 6oz chicken, tb or 2 of flax and love it....1.5 hrs pre....I'm not cutting, but I'd do it then too....sustain sugar levels, no crash, and body sucks up the carbs post wo

[perfectbeast2001]

recent studies have shown pre workout carbs to be more important than post. Search this subject to bring up a wealth of info from Johan and Giants.

[Venum]

I usually eat every 2-3 hours..sometimes after two hours my stomach grumbles and says i'm hungry...so I eat. Other times after 3 hours I'm not so hungry so I may stretch it to 3.5 hours at the most. If you really listen to your body you will find what works best. Usually at night I can stretch a little longer because my appetite decreases as my activity decreases.

As far as Pre workout carbs, I have done both p/f and p/c and found that slow burning carbs about 1 hour before keeps my up and running. I think that if all of your other meals are in check and you have a negative calorie balance you will still lose body fat. If you can sneak in 30-50 carbs pre workout and still lean out then DO IT. I dont think you will see negative sides from 250g carbs per day and remember I used to be FAT, so my worries are the same as yours. PM me if you want more suggestions.

thanks man, i appreciate the help

[CoreyTampa09]

Man Im too carb sensitive to be having 4 out of 6 meals carb based..I found the best results for my body when I would have a P/F after AM cardio and No PPWO carb meal. Anybody know of any cleansers that worked for them?

[Venum]

Man Im too carb sensitive to be having 4 out of 6 meals carb based..I found the best results for my body when I would have a P/F after AM cardio and No PPWO carb meal. Anybody know of any cleansers that worked for them?

I can't make up my mind to see what works better for me, I'm also eating 4 out of 6 meals with carbs, and it makes me nervous. I am losing fat very very slowly...I couldnt be more confused, I think I am going to cut out the PPWO carbs.......

[bigsd67]

I can't make up my mind to see what works better for me, I'm also eating 4 out of 6 meals with carbs, and it makes me nervous. I am losing fat very very slowly...I couldnt be more confused, I think I am going to cut out the PPWO carbs.......

May I ask what is wrong with losing fat slowly...IMO it will be easier for you to KEEP fat off. The quicker you lose it the more drastic your diet will be and then when you re-introduce more food you will gain the fat back and have to cut all over again. Trust me, unless you have a competition or modeling shoot to be in I wouldnt put a strict time frame on your fat loss.

[audis4]

I can't make up my mind to see what works better for me, I'm also eating 4 out of 6 meals with carbs, and it makes me nervous. I am losing fat very very slowly...I couldnt be more confused, I think I am going to cut out the PPWO carbs.......

Terrible idea. The fat loss process is very slow/tedious. So many people stop dieting because they don't see results fast enough. Stick with it, up the cardio and keep your pro/carb meals where it counts (pre,PWO,PPWO).