Any point to very high calories bulking?

[KingMike]

Been experimenting with 4500 calories bulking as opposed to my normal 3500. My question is this, as a natural lifter (6' 190), are those extra 1000-1500 calories a day going to mean anything as opposed to 4-500 over maint., other than putting on more fat?

The extra calories do not effect my strength levels.

[bigsd67]

If you bulk on 3500 and grow, the extra calories will most likely be stored as fat. Any reason for the increase?

[KingMike]

Yeh, I just get sick of my so called bulks I do for 6-8 weeks every winter and after cutting down in the spring, I look the same so I decided to go no holds barred this time and go hardcore for about 5 weeks to shock my body.

[IBdmfkr]

It's more than likely the food choices and way you train.

I'd post your proposed bulking diet (3500calorie) and then when the time comes we'll help you with the leaning out part. You should be progressively 5-10lbs heavier/year even natural.

[MuscleScience]

your body only turns 20% of the food you eat into actually mass. (muscle, fat) The rest is lost to metabolic waste and heat.

[timtim]

You should be progressively 5-10lbs heavier/year even natural.

i agree with most of what you post but this is wrong. for the first few years you could expect this type of weight gain - possibly, but if you think about it, after 5 years you'd be up 50 to 75 pounds, not everyone is made for that type of gain and thats on a continual progression up. reality doesnt work like that as we all know. i can tell you im lucky with 3 to 4 pounds a year now naturally. if i can go 6 months uninjured while trying to bulk and push the weights, then 3 to 4 is possible. 10 to 15, i'd need to do 2 cycles or more a year. im talking lean bodyweight. im not into fat gain and calling it muscle.

i also agree it probably has to do with food selection and training regiments.

[IBdmfkr]

I started at 130lbs, Over a 5yr period I gained about 40lbs naturally without knowing much about diet/training.

Obviously it changes from person to person but I've seen it done by many, they consistantly gain about 5-10lbs/yr.. Maybe some years 8lbs, then the next 3-4lbs.. Eitherway you will eventually reach your genetic potential and gains will slow, that's when AAS should be introduced if you haven't reached your goals.
Btw, 8yrs later I am 220lbs, I started at 130.
Too many things play a deciding role here, determination/dedication/genetics/diet/training/rest/consistancy/etc..