If whey has all the available amino acids to be utilized, and it can be digested quickly, or slowly by adding complex carbs (Correct ? ), then why are whole food protein soruces considered so much better ? Vitamin content ?
Thanks.
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
If whey has all the available amino acids to be utilized, and it can be digested quickly, or slowly by adding complex carbs (Correct ? ), then why are whole food protein soruces considered so much better ? Vitamin content ?
Thanks.
Banned
The biggest advantage of whey is not that they can build more muscle than chicken or egg whites or any other whole food protein, the biggest advantage is convenience. It is easier to drink a protein shake than it to buy, prepare, cook and eat poultry, fish or egg whites.When your taking a piss at night I dont have time to cook. Consuming small, frequent meals is the optimal way to eat, regardless of whether your goal is fat loss or muscle gain. To keep your body constantly in positive nitrogen balance, you must consume a complete protein every three hours. For many people, eating this often is nearly impossible. That's when a high quality protein supplement is the most helpful.
Aside from convenience, the truth about whey is that they offer few advantages over protein foods. There is no scientific evidence that you can't meet all of your protein needs for muscle growth through food. As long as you eat every three hours and you eat a complete protein such as eggs, lean meat or dairy products with every meal, it is not necessary to consume any protein supplements to get outstanding results. Whey protein does have some interesting and useful properties and supplementing with a couple scoops each day is not a bad idea, especially if you are on a low calorie diet for fat loss. Aside from that, focus on real food.Humans have evolved to eat whole foods that why I`m a true believer in the Paleolithic Diet.The best thing is to mimic your Ancestors.Saying this a few pros I have met in London most of them have a shake with every meal,just for insurance,you know?
Last edited by goose; 01-21-2007 at 03:09 PM.
"king of free stuff" / Retired
I have necer read anything that backs up this claim. I would be interested if anyone does have any studies proving whole food is better than whey. I eat mostly wholefood but do use some whey (normally mixed in my oats). I would not use all whey as I like to eat but I just cant understand why people are so negative about whey with no scientific reasoning behind it.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=280980
is a post by Johan the other day on this subject.
AR VET
I can stay much leaner on more calories when eating whole foods and real protein sources, I feel it makes the digestive tract work much harder and you actually burn a lot more calories in doing so. When taking in whey the body doesn't have to work to digest it and I believe not all the protein is utilized because of how fast it passes through your system.
Not to mention you get a lot of your fats during the day from your meat sources whereas you'd have to supplement them if you ingested whey for a majority of your protein intake.
JMO ofcourse.
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
I am almost worried about eating whey just because some members preach a lot about how whole food is so muich better. I have a very busy schedule and work 10-12 hrs a day so if whey isnt as bad as I thought, I would liek to use more, like 3 shakes a day with 4 meals.
AR VET
I've done that approach and I personally could tell a huge difference when I substituted the whey for real meats. If that's all you can do then it's better than missing meals, but if you're just doing it for convenience then quit being lazy and premake your meals to go IMO.
Just depends how seriously you take all this, if it's just something you like to do for fun then by all means just drink your whey.
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
Originally Posted by I**mfkr
Yea see, thats one thing, after I ran out of whey, I had no choice but to eat whole foods for PWO and I am pretty sure I just felt better for whaetver reason, maybe its the increased calories or soemthing but that is one factor that had me second guessing whey after using it for so long.
I dont have a problem makign my meals but I am actually able to take in more protein with whey than I can with food, I just cant stomach as much unfortuantely.
AR VET
Huge amounts of Protein are over-rated IMO anyhow, as long as you can get atleast 1-1.5g/lb LBM then you'll be fine, just play with your macros and food choices and see what works for you. If whey does the trick then stick with whey.
Banned
Also whey does spike insulin levels... i b d and now bino will sum it up nice...
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
but the insulin spike is fine if there is no saturated fats isnt it ? especially PWO....?
Banned
Not sure.. i was advised if i eat my daily alot of meant of meals... I'm not allwoed whey whole protein sources only.. also if i wake up at night drink a whey shake for that reason.
"king of free stuff" / Retired
all food causes insulin release. does whey cause more insulin release than whole foods with the same macros?
AR VET
umm.. actually insulin spikes aren't o.k. just because sat fats aren't in the meals.
You want a constant blood sugar level throughout the day except obviously PWO when your glycogen stores are depleted a bit and you can get away with certain sugars in the AM upon waking as well.
Unsat fats can store just as easily as sat fats when ingested with certain foods or if an excess of calories are consumed.
From what you're saying, an individual could avoid all Sat fats and they'd never put on excess bodyfat, unfortunately that isn't true and Sat fats from meats aren't something to be avoided, they are actually beneficial to a certain degree.
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
Thats not at all what I meant, sorry if my wording was off.
I was just uder the impression that when an insulin spike occurs, your body tends to absorb all the nuitrients in your body more and therefore ALL fats could be stored easier and should then be avoided when spikes occur.
I know fats can be good, and I thought they should just be eaten with complex carbs or no carbs at all, as well as protein of course.
Banned
Yes ... whey has gluconeogenic amino acids higher spike in slin levels
"king of free stuff" / Retired
*gets out dictionary*
Banned
Please share the definition with me, I'm lost too
Banned
I just notice a much bigger difference when I eat solid foods vs a bunch of shakes all day. I have done both and I get much better results of solid food.
Right now I'm cutting and I haven't had a shake on a non workout day in over a month or so. It saves the whey quite nicely too...
Ive found I gain more LBM on solid food while bulking..and lost more bf white cutting off of solid food. There may not be a true explanation besides from the thermic effect of food explanation from solid food vs a lack thereof from whey...Plus, it takes much longer to digest and I don't feel like my body is starving in btwn meals like how I feel when I consume too many shakes as meal replacements. I just know what has worked for me in the past.
Banned
Bingo. Whole foods are digested throughout the body slower, so you utilize your protein and calories more. All shakes do is make you shit, maybe 1 PWO every now and then for me, other than that forget it. I look and feel so much better when it's almost all whole food sources. Not to mention, your drinking whey protien usually, come on, its gotta pass through ya' like beer piss
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
I agree when I consume whey alone, but with oats or oats and PB or a banan perhaps, I am not hungry directly after as compared with whey only. I never take whey alone actually.
New Member
Whey with Flax oil is a quality pro/fat meal replacement. Munching on some fresh spinach after drinking shake is very beneficial.
~Be Good Fitness Family~
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote