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    Wise ones who understand nutrition......

    I have a little question that has drove me crazy from Day #1 and still sort of baffels me. Since going to therapy (about 20 sessions so far and much much better) no one is truly understand the way the body works as far as nutrients and cals. Here is my question.

    I am 30 years old....so my metabolism is slowing way down, however I am on HRT, so this may play a role. My job is very stressfull, my relationship with my family and girlfriend have become exqualy as bad. Therefore, I use the gym as my escape from reality....my release.....so it's no longer part of my disease where I feel like I need to burn off everything I ate (trust me, its a sick disease thank god it's getting better) i just need to go.......I've been training or doing somthing every single day with no days of absolutel comple rest. Although I do sit all day, so my job is not physcialy stressful, I consider this rest. My sleep stinks. I eat right before bed, which helps me konk out for 5-6 hours, but after my firt piss, i'm up every hour.....sucks.

    THe scaries part of all this is I have recently been able to admit my drug abuse. What? yes......I got hooked on oxycontin about a year ago after minor dental surgery and found that at first it cleared my head and I was able to gain weight (FINALLY!!!), but now it's sick......Granted, I have been able to keep it under control and am not like most addicts. I take NEVER more than 2 tabs a day total...period. 1 in the am, 1 post training........just makes me very tired now, but I find I can concentrate better with no pain (mainly lower back and stomach).....I also have had stints with MJ and Bain, both suck, but never ever anything harder than that. No booze, no harsh harsh drugs..just ox bain and mj.....pls hrt.....anyways, why am I saying this, well part of the therapy is to come clean to everyone it'll help me out so thanks for still reading.

    Next, my weight. Fully clothed and in the pm, I weigh in at 154lbs.........sure my abs are pretty damn good, but I keep getting weaker and weaker and weaker as my weight drops. My skin looks pale like I'm dying...my face is sunken in, etc. I dont understand this since many dudes are my height and weigh 120lbs, they dont work out, but dont look very bad in the face. I can wrap my hands around my bis, my quads are toothpicks, and the worse part was I was once a machine in college at 240 and solid....now, all I have is a six pack, no strength, etc....so, if that gets blurry, obviously I get ***ressed because I work so hard on keeping a clean diet, I do no cardio but that shouldnt matter....


    NOW, the point of my thread..........why do I have to eat sooooo much more than he average person? I mean look at the diets around you....some dont eat all day save a bagel and coffee, a sandwhich for lunch, and dinner......and I'm eating every 2 hours......about 2800 cals, under 20g of carbs, under 100g of fat and under 250g of protein.....and I'm still skinnhy, frail, weak, feel like piss, etc. But it's much much more than the average and I dont do anything all day....just a high volume workout for 1.5 hours in the pm which I bullshi around a little to (I never did before, but I'm trying to balance life and just get in a good workout now....not concerned with strength I just want the size!.....so can anyone assist me? Jst an explanation.....pm me as I dont want want this to turn out to be another flame post......sorry if I wasted your time, but I'm scared....what would you do? Should I just eat my ass off for 1 week, eat everything, constantly eat....gain a little chub, but will it make me feel better? Sorry.....

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    ill be pming you Colombus.... it'll be alright man. We'll talk

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    p.s. if you read this before you read my PM, i just wanted to let you know that i've almost got my degree in nutrition and it's a lifestyle for me... I think i can help you. I just pmed you

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    Oh good god...weren't you supposed to stop posting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muriloninja
    Oh good god...weren't you supposed to stop posting?
    i think he just needs help man, don't we all at one point in time? Maybe you were just joking though... I don't know.

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    This is just a plea bro.......its no rant......come on Muri......

    Oh and had a full panel done.....negative except ele liver enzymes (biopsy neg) and my wbc and r**c were wacked....but this was 2 years ago, hink Id be dead by now.......

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    Don't worry about others dude, if someone doesn't want to help you, then they shouldn't be in your thread. I pmed you back. Only talk to those willing to help man, seriously, others won't do you any good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalMass
    Don't worry about others dude, if someone doesn't want to help you, then they shouldn't be in your thread. I pmed you back. Only talk to those willing to help man, seriously, others won't do you any good.

    You don't have a clue..Columbus knows what i'm talking about.
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    Exactly... i don't have a clue... apparently he wants help from members of the board... and some of us are here to help, that's all. I'm not trying to start any drama with anyone.. just sounds like he isn't doing so well, and figured he could use some new help/advice. If i should shutup and not help, then let me know, maybe i'm missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Columbus
    about 2800 cals, under 20g of carbs, under 100g of fat and under 250g of protein.....and I'm still skinnhy, frail, weak, feel like piss, etc.
    Bulking with under 20g of carbs? I'd like to see your whole diet with macros and timings.

    Look at your writing, ***ression/stress sounds like a key factor. I think you should perhaps practice some meditation and/or find some purpose in your life rather than just living day to day...

    http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ut-20-minutes/





    NaturalMass, what kind of degree will your hold and from where?

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    a BA in Nutrition from University of Houston... and he had a typo, he meant to say 200g carbs... i've already talked to him on this matter... We are re-advising a new diet, and a new workout routine... there are more than one factor playing a large role in his lifestyle preventing him from his goal, not just a diet, but several other things we are addressing currently.

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    #1 I have an eating disorder....I'm ****ing 150lbs....and 6'1

    #2 I have a addiction to pain meds......I'm sooo scared to go to sleep tonight....this morning as soon as I woke, I was sweating myy ass off, then I got really cold, no energy, so I took 1/2 of an ox.....did nothing but give me a tiny buzz......tomorrow, I can sleep in a little, but I'm scared to wake up...even if I have to put a tab by my bed to help me get up...I just need to make it through the weekend and I'm off to rehab.....please guys.....experiences??? Is it because I am so ****ing light? Am I going to die? This is a plea......I just got back from training half assed....had a shake, had 1/2 cp of oats.....now what do I do? Keep eating all night? Will that help? I'll do anhything.....if its pizza whatever...just help!

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    go to the refrigerator....don't stop eating. Thats what you need to do bro.

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    Are you serious? Will that help? I'm 100% serious brotha.....forget everything I ever said...I just want to live......I am going to rehab in Florida hopefully next week.....but I'm so scared to go to sleep tonight, dont want to wake like I did today.....it was the worst.....hypo, lethargic, sweating purfusily........http:// www.novusdetox.com /facility. php

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    I have had friends who have suffered from addictions, C'Bus. I lost my best friend (closer than a brother) to addiction. Until you are able to get the help you desperately need, you need to be around a loved one who will watch over you until you can be admitted to a facility...

    Oxycontin IS a hard and very dangerous drug and from what you have said you appear to be in a dangerous health situation. You should eat normally/healthily.

    I hope everything works out well for you- you seem to be a well intentioned, respectful, and generally good person.
    Last edited by TR'05; 05-18-2007 at 07:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalMass
    i think he just needs help man, don't we all at one point in time? Maybe you were just joking though... I don't know.
    I put in hoiyrsto and wriote him a great diet. bit he doesnt follow it than complains it doesdtn work. well i did whasta i cou,ld foe hi. he needs to help himself.

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    Wow this thread is kinda intense!.......
    Nevertheless, i hope it all works out for u Columbus!

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    Many many people here have tried to help him(I haven't waste of time). He said he had some top tier trainers to help him reach his goal. No one here can help him he needs extensive therapy, doctor phil could do a whole season of this kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mn_fighter
    Many many people here have tried to help him(I haven't waste of time). He said he had some top tier trainers to help him reach his goal. No one here can help him he needs extensive therapy, doctor phil could do a whole season of this kid.
    I am one of them, me and another gent on this board. But columbus doesn't wanna listen. He says he has to eat way more than others to gain weight. Simply not true. He's to scared to lose his abs to eat enough to gain weight. I gaver him a perfect diet. He said if I did that he would follow it but then didn't. I can only do so much, I can't put the food in his mouth. Too bad cause he asks for advice, ppl take the time outta there day to help and he doesn't listen. He just goes and asks someone else then doesn't listen again. Too bad cuz I liked the guy.

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    Thanks Carlos....

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    You too Bino.. why didn't you listen when everyone told you to not waste your time.

    I wish him the best of luck.
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    I knew this wasn't going to end.....

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    man, i wasted my time last Friday with this goon. Gave him a whole new diet and workout routine... Live and learn i guess. Hope he gets better

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalMass
    man, i wasted my time last Friday with this goon. Gave him a whole new diet and workout routine... Live and learn i guess. Hope he gets better

    hate to say it but we told you so....

    he's like the bum in the corner begging for money to eat but in stead buys booze with it......he is his own issue that he needs to resolve.....lol that was the first analogy I could think of...lmao

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    nobody really told me anything....... they did after i spent about 2 hours with him... but that was AFTER the fact.... i think one person did mention that he should stop posting, but nobody helped me understand like C Bino did with a PM... Like i said... live and learn..

    I still feel bad for him and wish i could help.. and don't regret trying.... i just wish he would wise up and listen to one of us instead of feel sorry for himself constantly. Oh well, can't help them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalMass
    nobody really told me anything....... they did after i spent about 2 hours with him... but that was AFTER the fact.... i think one person did mention that he should stop posting, but nobody helped me understand like C Bino did with a PM... Like i said... live and learn..

    I still feel bad for him and wish i could help.. and don't regret trying.... i just wish he would wise up and listen to one of us instead of feel sorry for himself constantly. Oh well, can't help them all.
    Ya man I think we all feel sorry for him. I mean you didnt do anything wrong, you tried to help just like all of us. But really some people need to help themselves first. I have nothing against Columbus, just hope he goes and gets the help he needs before he asks anyone else for help and has them waste there time as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I**mfkr
    You too Bino.. why didn't you listen when everyone told you to not waste your time.

    I wish him the best of luck.
    Ya man I wish I did. Tried to give him the benefit of the situation and be nice to him.

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    You're just a nice guy like that. Glad to hear your surgery went well!
    That's a relief eh?
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