please post/share your extreme cutting diet with me please

[da-ROC]

Nevermind!

[(1*)]

you need exercise my man.
what's your diet look like right now?

[da-ROC]

Nevermind!

[MACKATTACK]

You need to eat ALOT and lift ALOT before you do anything.

[(1*)]

i am very good on cutting with the savage gironda diet but would not recommend this for you until you build up some muscle. you can have a 6 pack and look yuck at the same time. don't fall in this trap. and the diet pills are not worth the money. if you diet and train right they only help a little. /..... very little.
good luck.

[da-ROC]

i just got a tuff gym 150, 3 station home gym $1799 gym quality , been using for a week, i need a split workout routine and a daily diet what/when
to eat, thing is i work at night iam up at 11am and free till 8pm

[da-ROC]

can i workout every day or do i need to rest my muscles to heal them, iam pretty sure i can get gear can i do a cycle while iam dieting


this is what i was going to do

Dianabol Weeks 1-4: Dianabol - 20-25 mg daily.


Enanthate Weeks 1-12: 500mg


Nolvadex 20-30 mg WEEK ON WEEK OFF


Clomid therapy three weeks after last sust350 shot ran as follows:

Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day

or


Weeks 1-4: Sustanon 250 Shot either every other day (1/2 mL) or 1mL twice weekely on either Sunday / Wednesday or Monday / Thursday.

Weeks 1-4: Dbol (20-25mg)

Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno. Alternatively, you can run 10mg daily throughout your cycle.

Post Cycle Therapy

Clomid therapy three weeks after last sust350 shot ran as follows:

Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day
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or

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

Cycle 1:
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

Cycle 2:
1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 18 days after last Cyp injection

Cycle 3:
1 – 4 D-bol 40mg ED
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

Cycle 4:
1 – 4 D-bol 40mg ED
1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 18 days after last Cyp injection

Cycle 5:
1 – 4 Prop 75mg ED
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

Cycle 6:
1 – 4 Prop 75mg ED
1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 18 days after last Cyp injection

Cycle 7:
1 – 4 Prop 75mg ED
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
11 – 12 Prop 75mg ED
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection

Cycle 8:
1 – 4 Prop 75mg ED
1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
11 – 13 Prop 75mg ED
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection

Cycle 9:
1 – 13 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 EQ 500mg/wk
1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

Cycle 10:
1 – 12 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 EQ 400mg/wk
1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 3 weeks after last Cyp / Enan injection

Cycle 11:
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
7 – 12 Winny 50mg ED
1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 1 day after last Winny injection / dose

Cycle 12:
1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
8 – 13 Winny 50mg ED
1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 1 day after last Winny injection / dose


what do you think should i just diet and exercise or add clen
or cycle

iam going crazy here guys i want to get this started
iam very serious about this dont care about money
just want to speed it up

[spywizard]

food will reshape your body..

if you have read all the stickies, then you already know that..

run your diet 500 cals less than your maintenance caloric requirement to lose fat.. you can build muscle and lose fat at the same time, but it takes attention to detail..

here's an example.. and there are too many variables for the numbers to be correct for a person without knowing everything about you and monitoring your thyroid function..

lets say your body is running at 100% metabolism, that is at peak performance and using basically every calorie you give it and you are not burning muscle..

once you go past 3 hours without eating, your body drops to 90%, then at 5 hours it drops to 75%, then after 10 hours it drops to 40%.. that means that at that moment in time your body only needs 40% of the calories to function that it would normally need if running at 100%... and thus you must manipulate your body so that it stays at 100%.. then only feed it protein, fats, and some carbs, thus keeping the body needing more energy from foods than you your body consumes, thus if you do not go into starvation mode (40% caloric need) then your body if not taxed to much for energy will burn fat instead of muscle..

did you read that correctly??

if you ran cardio at 160 heart beat rate, once your glycogen stores are used up for energy, the body starts burning muscle.. and some fats..

what you want to do is use up your glycogen stores, then continue at a rate of effort that will only burn fat, and not muslce..

that is up for debate.. 65% is the normal recommendation.. however, it has been put forward that post workout cardio should be at 50% effort depending on your body.. anything more will cause the body to canabalize the muscle..

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

and def dont starve yourself, you might see results but as soon as you start to eat again youll gain everything back... you need a managable diet that you can stick to for life

[da-ROC]

ok i have been off the diet pill for about a month and have mantained my weight by slowly starting to eat to get my body used to eating again i gained 6lbs but am back down to 180 now

this is what i was thinking of doing

one of the cycles i posted plus

mon-chest,tri,forearm
tues-back,bicep,calf,cardio
wed-shoulders,thighs,abs
thur-chest,tri,forearm
fri-back,bicep,calf,cardio
sat-shoulders,thighs,abs
sun-rest, and pray to god for results lol

please reply and change/modify at will

diet i have no idea?

if you can call me to help , pm me and i will give my #

[rogue01]

da-roc, you keep mentioning a cycle on every single post but you really need to get your diet in check and go with a clean diet for several months first.

No fast food, fried food, chips, pizza, beer, (this should be a rare treat not something you eat several time a week)

You need to consume chicken, lean beef, fish, nuts, olive oil, veges, whole wheat, oats, sweet potato...

Since you have read and watched some of the posted videos you should be able to calculate how much you need to eat. Eating very low calorie like you have been doing is a very bad idea. You consume muscle and end up looking skinny fat. This is what causes so many to yo-yo diet. You did not gain all the weight in 1 month, so don't expect to drop it all in 1 month.

It sounds like you are looking for a really quick fix...you will be disappointed. You need to look at this as a life long change for your health, not a change just until an ab shows.

[da-ROC]

No fast food, fried food, chips, pizza, beer,?
have not ate any of that for like 5 months
once in a while i would have a couple of coors lights
but not anymore,


don't expect to drop it all in 1 month?
if you read my first post it says i was 225 size 38 going to 40 waist, now iam 180 32 waist, 5'10 tall 29 yr old,
was taking phentermin/adipex weight loss pill for 3 months with barely eating diet and cardio and med training,,,, and if you see my before pics my body has changed alot, iam not in shape iam farrr from it but iam in better shape than i ever was, SPYWIZARD SAID" you can build muscle and lose fat at the same time, but it takes attention to detail" that why i keep asking about doing a cycle, the reason for this post was post/share your extreme cutting diet with me,


thank you all for you replies

please post/share your extreme cutting diet with me thanks

[spywizard]

you didn't read my post did you???

I told you exactly how to work out..

oh well.. good luck..

[jamyjamjr]

well, let's fix one thing at a time...

watch the videos and do some math for me...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516
Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )



once you have that number, you can multiply it by an activity number to figure out your daily caloric expenditure, be honest here as this is the very cornerstone of your diet, if you are between two of the below activity levels then just multiply by a number in between them

To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:


If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9

if u'v already watched the videos in the link i gave u, please post up a diet for critiquing.. how serious were u about only eating once a day and starving urself?? what's your diet exactly been like for the last 6 weeks?? please include the time you eat and when u workout.. also include macros pro/fat/cal/carb... u can use fitday.com for this

[da-ROC]

spywizard so what your saying is that i should eat every 1-2 hours
high protein low fat and a complex carb in the morning. thats fine i need to go out and buy alot of food and design myself a diet.

correct me


also in one of the vid's in the diet stickies he says that i should have a simple carb right after a workout to restore glycogen, so i should do my cardio at 160 bpm for like 15-20 min then continue at a rate of effort that will only burn fat, and not muslce..

then do my workout then have a simple carb right after.
correct me

thanks again everyone (":")

[rogue01]

don't expect to drop it all in 1 month?
if you read my first post it says i was 225 size 38 going to 40 waist, now iam 180 32 waist, 5'10 tall 29 yr old,
was taking phentermin/adipex weight loss pill for 3 months with barely eating diet and cardio and med training,,,, and if you see my before pics my body has changed alot, iam not in shape iam farrr from it but iam in better shape than i ever was, SPYWIZARD SAID" you can build muscle and lose fat at the same time, but it takes attention to detail" that why i keep asking about doing a cycle, the reason for this post was post/share your extreme cutting diet with me,

You lost the weight by starving yourself...sorry but I think that is the wrong way. A cutting diet for one person may not be the exact same diet for you.
What are your maintenance calories? jamyjamjr will be a big help with your diet.

[da-ROC]

yea i was staving myself by only eating every couple days but i was taking a deit pill phentermine so i realy wasnt hungry and didnt care to eat i could have gone without eating every 3-4 days but didnt want to die lol, now i understand that some elses diet probly wont work for me sine there body has diff needs then mine and there activity might be more or less than mine,
thanks for ur kindness guys iam still learning as for micros and stuff like that
iam clueless but my good freind in a pharmacist and will be here in 5-10 min to explaine bmr macros ect...
and i will get back to you

[jamyjamjr]

we'll be waiting

[da-ROC]

2536.65

[jamyjamjr]

aright... what have u had to eat in the last coupla days??

[spywizard]

spywizard so what your saying is that i should eat every 1-2 hours more simply, do not exceed 3 hours between meals and that meal should consist of protein 40g and complex carbs, or 1/2 cup broccoli or green beens, or asperigus..
high protein low fat and a complex carb in the morning. thats fine i need to go out and buy alot of food and design myself a diet.\

Then we need to get fats in the diet, fish, flax, nut oils, about 6-10g per day

correct me


also in one of the vid's in the diet stickies he says that i should have a simple carb right after a workout to restore glycogen, so i should do my cardio at 160 bpm for like 15-20 min then continue at a rate of effort that will only burn fat, and not muslce..

Simple carb like dextros in the pwo shake

the reason he is recommending the 160 bpm x15-20 minutes is that is about how long it will take you to exhaust your glycogen stores.. then by continuing at a lessor rate, sub 65% of yor capcity would switch your body back into an arobic state that is less taxing and would allow the body to burn fat..

then do my workout then have a simple carb right after.
correct me

No, you would not have energy to work out.. doing cardio pre resistance training is simply useless, you do some cardio pre workout but only to increase your body's tempo to warm up and to start the oxygenation process..

doing cardio at 50-65% for 20 minutes after resistance training is the correct manner in which to time it.. for at that time you have exhausted your glycogen stores.. see a pattern??

thanks again everyone (":")

there ya go..

[da-ROC]

this is what iam doing,

week 1-12 test cyp 500mg week split 250mg mon & thur
week 6-14 winny 50mg eod
week 14-18 nolva
iam injecting winny 2 weeks past to clear test
then starting nolva

10am morning empty stomach 30-40 mins cardio heart at 150bpm
breakfast cup of oats whey protine shake
2pm lunch grilled chickin 1egg 5whites lots of water
5pm mid-day can of tuna in water and wheat toast lots of water
workout 2-3 body parts really hard + abbs then
30-40 mins cardio heart at 150bpm
protein shake or bar.
7pm dinner
9pm snack nuts or fruit, lots of water
11:30 sleep

stats; 5'10 185lbs age 29

what do you think?

[D7M]

what do I think?

I don't think you should've started a cycle until you had a better foundation in training/nutrition....

[cshibbyr]

If your just starting to work out now, why the hell are you gonna do AAS? 1 thing, a home gym does not do nearly as much as freeweights will do. Even if you went to a gym would you know what exercises to do for each muscle? Also, did you put that cycle together by youself, or did you read it from someone else's post(which I think you did), because your asking everyone to post their diet now.

[cshibbyr]

Btw that diet give you about 80-100g protein max and almost 0 carbs, which is energy. No energy= shitty workout no protein= no muscle

I dont care I you did every AAS at 1 time, you still wouldnt gain anything.

[da-ROC]

thank you very much for kind and intelligent response,

well the way i see it is its my body and money what i do with it is my problem.

all i asked for was a fukin diet!!!

this is the gym setup that i got .

is there anyone on here thats not mad and can help me?

[killface]

i have read the diet stickies and watched all the videos in there

If you have done this, you should be pretty well equipped to come up with something suitable to your needs; at least a starting point.

I don't think you understand that anyone elses diet is not going to do you any good.