Your opinion on cottage cheese (during cutting)

**Orlando Rocket** · 06-14-2009, 05:32 PM

There are plenty of lean protein sources that everyone can agree are great. For the most part it is agreed that you should stay away from dairy due to the refined sugars (at least while cutting). What are your thoughts on consuming 0% fat cottage cheese, which contains 0g fat, 5g carb, 4g sugars, and 13g protein during a cutting phase (for someone who is naturally endomorphic and carb sensitive)?

**sizerp** · 06-14-2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Orlando Rocket

There are plenty of lean protein sources that everyone can agree are great. For the most part it is agreed that you should stay away from dairy due to the refined sugars (at least while cutting). What are your thoughts on consuming 0% fat cottage cheese, which contains 0g fat, 5g carb, 4g sugars, and 13g protein during a cutting phase (for someone who is naturally endomorphic and carb sensitive)?

I would stay away from any dairy - to be honest.

Check post #30 in this thread for more information.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=390972

**The Deuce** · 06-14-2009, 05:53 PM

Yah... now apparently I know another side of DAIRY PRODUCTS.. SO yah.. DON'T PLAN ON COTTAGE CHEESE WHILST CUTTING !!!

Even though it is SO FREAKIN' GOOD !!!! BULLSH1T !!! THAT SUCKS... DAMNED SCIENTIFIC FACTS... SCREWIN' ME OVER EVERY TIME !!!

**Orlando Rocket** · 06-14-2009, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by sizerp

I would stay away from any dairy - to be honest.

Check post #30 in this thread for more information.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=390972

Wow, pretty bold read. So without getting the thread off on a tangent for too long, would you go as far as to eliminate Whey protein pre and post workout as well as Casein protein before bed, as the both derive from dairy? Or do you think the benefits outweigh the risks in this particular example?

**eatrainrest** · 06-14-2009, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Orlando Rocket

Wow, pretty bold read. So without getting the thread off on a tangent for too long, would you go as far as to eliminate Whey protein pre and post workout as well as Casein protein before bed, as the both derive from dairy? Or do you think the benefits outweigh the risks in this particular example?

why would you shy away from supplementing whey and casein? cottage cheese has unwanted sugar and fat, as opposed to high qulity whey and casein supps

**sizerp** · 06-14-2009, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Orlando Rocket

Wow, pretty bold read. So without getting the thread off on a tangent for too long, would you go as far as to eliminate Whey protein pre and post workout as well as Casein protein before bed, as the both derive from dairy? Or do you think the benefits outweigh the risks in this particular example?

Whey is safely derived from dairy - and there are natural brands from the UK, like J.Rob who doesn't feed his cows any processed grains - gets expensive, considering how much whey we go through as bodybuilders.

I am not that finicky, at least my wallet isn't.

I consume a meal PWO - and then a whey + complex carb shake PPWO and I do believe in consuming whey as a staple protein especially for morning cardio and breakfast.

In terms of benefits? Well I just don't see any. Risk of casesin before bed is even greater than casesin in the middle of the day considering your body is shut down while you sleep and digestion and metabolism decrease compared to when active. In essence, there's only risk.

I know it's hard to cope with sometimes - with all the hype about casein. I just don't buy into it. There was a time when I drank casein before bed with healthy fats, and even mixed a drink for the middle of the night when I awoke to use the restroom. I had the worst alergic reaction and I am not necessarily lactose intolerant ether. I realized what was making me feel so crappy was the casein.

After doing research, I descovered the truth behind it. If you wikipedia casein you'll see the chemical make-up. It's really not good!

**sizerp** · 06-14-2009, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

why would you shy away from supplementing whey and casein? cottage cheese has unwanted sugar and fat, as opposed to high qulity whey and casein supps

Aside from the high sugar and fat - consuming dairy gives a softer look, not to mention the estrogen found in milks.

Whey is fine - and only whey - in regards to proteins derived from dairy.

**eatrainrest** · 06-14-2009, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by sizerp

Aside from the high sugar and fat - consuming dairy gives a softer look, not to mention the estrogen found in milks.

Whey is fine - and only whey - in regards to proteins derived from dairy.

i think we are both referring to casein supplementation, not casein from cottage cheese, milk, yogurt, etc,.

**sizerp** · 06-14-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

i think we are both referring to casein supplementation, not casein from cottage cheese, milk, yogurt, etc,.

Casein consists of a fairly high number of proline peptides, which do not interact. There are also no disulfide bridges. As a result, it has relatively little tertiary structure. Because of this, it cannot denature. It is relatively hydrophobic, making it poorly soluble in water. It is found in milk as a suspension of particles called casein micelles which show some resemblance with surfactant-type micellae in a sense that the hydrophilic parts reside at the surface.

Casein (from Latin caseus "cheese") is the predominant phosphoprotein (αS1, αS2, β, κ) that accounts for nearly 80% of proteins in cow milk and cheese. Milk-clotting proteases act on the soluble portion of the caseins, K-Casein, thus originating an unstable micellar state that results in clot formation.

Yeah supplementation or otherwise - I wouldn't want to ingest that.