Confused with carb cycling, low calorie, and cheating

**tobias7912** · 09-24-2009, 09:12 PM

Whatsup all.
I'm an experienced weight lifter. I've had personal trainers and everything and my body's not bad....but I want to get cut.
I have always been conflicting info on diet, however.

SO

1) Right now I am counting my calories dilligently.
MY TDEE is 3957
I workout Mon - Thursday 4x week (weights 1hr+45 mins cardio at around 70-75% MHR), Friday =1 cardio day, Saturday = one HIIT sprinting 20mins day
Sunday = off to cheat, sometimes I will make my cheat on Saturday. It depends on whether I feel like eating out.

Some days I take in 1500 cals, some 2000 cals, some 2500cals.
I do this because I think I am tricking my metabolism. Please read everything else before replying.

By not having the same EXACT FOODS I think I am doing the right thing.
I automatically cycle carbs obviously because the food choices are different.

2) HOwever, even though **I count cals perfectly,** my sources are not set in stone, in other words, I eat what I want, as long as it is measureable to the gram.
But everything is measured to a T (perfectly)

3) I do once a week cheat day...and that I do to prevent starvation mode even more, and I try to make it more than my TDEE (3797 cals is a lot when you think about it).

I am 5'6
240lbs
24yrs old

I want to be be 210lbs
No idea of bf%, but I wear 36 inch pants....maybe that can help

*** PLEASE NOTE***
I don"t know if it is because I still have a lot to lose, but no matter how low I go (I've even done nutrisystem) I NEVER LOSE MUSCLE MASS>
In fact, I gain mass very easily.

I am very energetic, and very muscular (not to brag just setting the stage here). If anything, I will gain muscle.
Been training since I was 15.

If I could get this clarified that would be great.
I am in week 2 of this, lost 8lbs so far and I am seeing results.
I have dieted similar to this before, via a plethora of diets. My Dad also diets this way , he never loses muscle.
If ppl can give me input on this, their views, and possibilities of this plz reply.

I can keep a log if you guys want.
Tobias

**tobias7912** · 09-24-2009, 09:23 PM

Also, I don't understand how to cheat.
PPL say refeed to release the Leptin and do refined carbs (I saw this on other forums) or just eat what you want but don't over do it. I read J3 says eat 500cals above maintenance.

If I am putting myself in survival mode, wouldn't it take longer than 7 days to get in said mode? Would this cheat meal take me out of it?

I heard that you should cheat more often the leaner you get. SO i guess I am stuck with every week

I know it's a lot of questions, let's go a step at a time

**tobias7912** · 09-24-2009, 09:38 PM

Just so you guys remember, I eat anything, as long as it is measurable and pallatable and ends up in the calorie range I like

An example of TODAY follows

Sep 24 / 09
Activity = Back 30 sets, 45mins elliptical (140about HR)

Breakfast
1C Raisin Bran=190cals
1C 2% milk=120cals

Lunch
19g roast beef 31 cals
7 whole wheat crackers (Triscuit) 120
1 slice swiss- 70cals
234g nectarine 103

Dinner
131g Roast beef 38g protein 212 cals
2 slices bread= 160cals
2 munster cheese = 160cals
2 tbsp bbq sauce = 60cals

------> on George Foreman =delicious!
Salad – 100cals

Snack
1C 2% milk – 120cals
1C Raisin Bran – 190

1619

Snack
7 Triscuits – 120cals
1 slice munster – 80cals
58 g roast beef – 94cals

1930cals

OH, and I drink two coffee mugs / day

**tobias7912** · 09-25-2009, 08:39 AM

bump

**premedreject** · 09-25-2009, 02:24 PM

what are the protein/carbs/fats of each item your eating? that's way more important than the calories....

**jamyjamjr** · 09-25-2009, 02:36 PM

i say you trash the whole idea... if you do put muscle mass on very easily then why waste the genetics on a shitty diet??

start fresh.. drop everything your doing..

**collar** · 09-25-2009, 04:06 PM

sorry i just dont know what your trying get at..

you say you eat everything and whatever but just stay inside your calorie intake and you gain heaps of muscle.

if thats the case whats the problem?\

even though i dont agree with the idea, but if its working for you and you say it is.

plus your diet does need serious work.

gl

**premedreject** · 09-25-2009, 04:36 PM

how the hell does 58 grams of roast beef equal 94 calories?

**JoeStoTn** · 09-25-2009, 05:08 PM

I would have to agree w/the guys above. I've done some crazy ass diet's before.. This just sounds a little off to me.

So are you saying your primarily all muscle since you gain it so easily? being 5'6 @ 240lbs you would either be really built and sizable or you may have a lot to lose.

I think something more consistent would be in order.

**tobias7912** · 09-25-2009, 06:28 PM

ok ill fix it if you guys are that adamant about it.
I do have alot to lose

NO worries

**tobias7912** · 09-25-2009, 06:37 PM

Ill do what you suggest, it's just hard to believe that dieting can be this difficult (SIGH)

**tobias7912** · 09-25-2009, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by premedreject

how the hell does 58 grams of roast beef equal 94 calories?

Type in 58g and you will see the response, from calorie king.
It's not 58g of protein, it is the weight of the meat.

94cals and 17g protein big guy
http://www.calorieking.com/foods/cal...N0IGJlZWY.html

**collar** · 09-25-2009, 06:52 PM

mate im not trying bash here, but you do have a lot to lose and you said you can eat anything and put on muscle sorry to say that is not the fact now seen the photo.

but you are here to get some help im assuming, even though your first post doesnt suggest that.

get up a diet with six meals or seven meals up and we will tweak it for you, make sure you put down the breakdown of your macros.

**tobias7912** · 09-25-2009, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by collar;48***06

mate im not trying bash here, but you do have a lot to lose and you said you can eat anything and put on muscle sorry to say that is not the fact now seen the photo.

but you are here to get some help im assuming, even though your first post doesnt suggest that.

get up a diet with six meals or seven meals up and we will tweak it for you, make sure you put down the breakdown of your macros.

AWWWWWWWWWWWWW you break my heart.

**jamyjamjr** · 09-25-2009, 07:23 PM

you look like your sitting between 40-50%.. how the hell do you even know if your putting muscle on??

your morbidly obese...

leave your ego and your attitude at the door bro...

we'd love to help you out and get you in shape but you have to listen to everything we say without acting like you know better..

**Twist** · 09-25-2009, 08:00 PM

Low carb or Keto is the way to go fro you my friend.

**tobias7912** · 09-25-2009, 08:08 PM

lol @ jamy....morbidly obese.

Whatever, let this thread die.

**collar** · 09-25-2009, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by tobias7912

lol @ jamy....morbidly obese.

Whatever, let this thread die.

man he is not trying bash you here, but we are trying be honest with you and we need you to be honest with yourself and that would be the start for you to achieving your goals.

but i suspect you are happy with how you look but then again i have to question that cause why would you start a thread.

oh well anyway..

gl man.

**premedreject** · 09-25-2009, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by tobias7912

Type in 58g and you will see the response, from calorie king.
It's not 58g of protein, it is the weight of the meat.

94cals and 17g protein big guy
http://www.calorieking.com/foods/cal...N0IGJlZWY.html

I'm the big guy? Your morbidly obese moobosity enthralls me with joy. god damn GTFO!

**Twist** · 09-25-2009, 08:20 PM

Seriously bro you are about 40%bf. You really need to take your diet seriously, and the advice these guys will give you.

**Twist** · 09-25-2009, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by premedreject

I'm the big guy? You morbidly obese moobosity enthralls me with joy. god damn GTFO!

oh come on... is that really necessary?

**jamyjamjr** · 09-25-2009, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by premedreject

I'm the big guy? Your morbidly obese moobosity enthralls me with joy. god damn GTFO!

flaming is against the rules in the diet section..

let's be civil......

**Twist** · 09-25-2009, 09:10 PM

I think this thread might be a joke though...

**jamyjamjr** · 09-25-2009, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by tobias7912

lol @ jamy....morbidly obese.

Whatever, let this thread die.

rationalization is a very peculiar behavior in human nature..

in this case, it's extremely unhealthy....

ohh well.... the invitation is still here if you want to fix your diet.. but i wont deal with your backtalk like you know better then i do...

your choice..

**premedreject** · 09-25-2009, 09:20 PM

Sorry, was over board. You stab, I nuclear blast.

**jamyjamjr** · 09-25-2009, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by premedreject

Sorry, was over board. You stab, I nuclear blast.

no worries.. we all slip..

**jamyjamjr** · 09-25-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Twist

I think this thread might be a joke though...

troll?? possibly....

but this one seems real.. which would be even worse..

i wish this thread was troll made...

**Twist** · 09-25-2009, 09:34 PM

I hope so too. op where you at?

**JoeStoTn** · 09-25-2009, 09:54 PM

I have a guy at work w/almost the same build who consistently has the same attitude towards it.

Can't help the unwilling. Their choice

**jamyjamjr** · 09-25-2009, 11:21 PM

i see you checking out the thread bro... i can see your sn at the bottom...

why look if you want the thread to be dead??

how about you put all the shit aside and put up a diet?