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    Critique my 1st ever bulk diet!

    Maybe calling it a 'bulk' diet is the wrong description. The goal is to add lean mass and keep bodyfat as minimal as possible; so bulk is possibly the wrong word, but I DO want to grow. I've been in a fat loss mode for over a year and i'm pretty tired of it. Hopefully you get the idea. I will not be running this for another month or two, but was bored this morning and figured i'd put it together, get it tweaked/refined and have it ready to roll when the time is right. I tried to keep it relatively clean, with the exception of meal 3 - you'll see what I mean.

    Age: 34
    Height: 5'11
    Weight: 180
    BF% - 13%-15% - look at my avatar and tell me
    TDEE: 2500


    Supplements taken - Creatine Monohydrate, Multi-vitamin, Protein Powder

    Diet plan is based on 40/40/20 - bigger meals w/ carbs 1st half of the day, 2nd half is smaller meals and no carbs except fiberous veggies.

    3000 Calorie Diet – Macro Breakdown - 40P/40C/20F
    300g protein/1200 calories, 300g carbs/1200 calories, 65g fat/600 calories

    Meal 1 4:30am

    2 eggs – 12g protein, 2g carbs, 9g fat – 140 calories
    1 premier protein shake – 30g protein, 2g carbs, 3g fat – 160 calories
    1 cup oats – 10g protein, 48g carbs, 5g fat – 280 calories

    TOTAL: 52g protein, 52g carbs, 16g fat – 580 calories

    WORKOUT + 1/2 hour Cardio - HR between 130-145

    Meal 2 7:30am - PWO
    2 scoops whey – 48g protein, 4g carbs, 3g fat – 230 calories
    16oz skim milk – 16g protein, 24g carbs – 180 calories
    1 cup oats – 10g protein, 48g carbs, 5g fat – 280 calories

    TOTAL: 74g protein, 76g carbs, 8g fat – 690 calories

    Meal 3 10:30am
    1 can tuna or 6oz chicken – 36g protein, 3g fat – 180 calories
    3tbsp Hellman’s Mayo – 30g fat – 270 calories (I know this is bad)
    2 slices Ezekeil bread – 8g protein, 24g carbs, 1g fat – 160 calories
    1 cup oats – 10g protein, 48g carbs, 5g fat – 280 calories

    TOTAL: 54g protein, 72g carbs, 39g fat – 890 calories

    Meal 4 1:30pm
    6oz chicken, beef, turkey, or fish – 36g protein, 3g fat – 165 calories
    1 sweet potato/yam – 2g protein, 24g carbs – 100 calories

    TOTAL: 38g protein, 24g carbs, 3g fat – 265 calories

    Meal 5 4:30pm
    6oz chicken, beef, turkey, or fish – 36g protein, 3g fat – 165 calories
    1 sweet potato/yam – 2g protein, 24g carbs – 100 calories

    TOTAL: 38g protein, 24g carbs, 3g fat – 265 calories


    Meal 6 7:30pm
    6oz chicken, beef, turkey, or fish – 36g protein, 3g fat – 165 calories
    1 cup broccoli, asparagus, spinach, or other fiberous veggie – 10g carbs, 50 calories

    TOTAL: 36g protein, 10g carbs – 215 calories

    Meal 7 10:30pm
    1 scoop Casein – 24g protein, 2g carbs, 1g fat – 120 calories

    DAILY TOTALS: 316g protein, 260g carbs, 70g fat – 3025 calories

    Protein and fats are a bit higher than they should be, but carbs are lower by 40g so in the end I think it pretty much evens out. My problem right now is that I would like to add 10g fish oil caps, but can't afford the extra fat with the diet as is. The obvious solution is to get rid of the mayo in meal 3 (30g fat, OUCH!), but I can't stand tuna with anything but real Hellman's mayo. Maybe I can drop the 2 eggs in meal 1 instead?

    2nd problem is fiberous veggies - I know I should be getting more, but truthfully I hate them! How important are they, really, in terms of gaining lean mass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    Maybe calling it a 'bulk' diet is the wrong description. The goal is to add lean mass and keep bodyfat as minimal as possible; so bulk is possibly the wrong word, but I DO want to grow. I've been in a fat loss mode for over a year and i'm pretty tired of it. Hopefully you get the idea. I will not be running this for another month or two, but was bored this morning and figured i'd put it together, get it tweaked/refined and have it ready to roll when the time is right. I tried to keep it relatively clean, with the exception of meal 3 - you'll see what I mean.

    Age: 34
    Height: 5'11
    Weight: 180
    BF% - 13%-15% - look at my avatar and tell me
    TDEE: 2500


    Supplements taken - Creatine Monohydrate, Multi-vitamin, Protein Powder

    Diet plan is based on 40/40/20 - bigger meals w/ carbs 1st half of the day, 2nd half is smaller meals and no carbs except fiberous veggies.

    3000 Calorie Diet – Macro Breakdown - 40P/40C/20F
    300g protein/1200 calories, 300g carbs/1200 calories, 65g fat/600 calories

    Meal 1 4:30am

    2 eggs – 12g protein, 2g carbs, 9g fat – 140 calories
    1 premier protein shake – 30g protein, 2g carbs, 3g fat – 160 calories Replace with 8 egg whites
    1 cup oats – 10g protein, 48g carbs, 5g fat – 280 calories

    TOTAL: 52g protein, 52g carbs, 16g fat – 580 calories

    WORKOUT + 1/2 hour Cardio - HR between 130-145

    Meal 2 7:30am - PWO
    2 scoops whey – 48g protein, 4g carbs, 3g fat – 230 calories
    16oz skim milk – 16g protein, 24g carbs – 180 calories Regardless of bulking or cutting, I don't believe humans are meant to consume this. Use water.
    1 cup oats – 10g protein, 48g carbs, 5g fat – 280 calories Make it 1/2 cup, see why below.

    TOTAL: 74g protein, 76g carbs, 8g fat – 690 calories

    YOU NEED A WHOLE FOOD MEAL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN!! THIS IS A HUGE, COMMON MISTAKE. I'd simply have a 1/2 cup of oats in the shake and then a lean pro/complex carb meal 45 minutes later. That whey shake is long gone before meal 3.

    Meal 3 10:30am
    1 can tuna or 6oz chicken – 36g protein, 3g fat – 180 calories
    3tbsp Hellman’s Mayo – 30g fat – 270 calories (I know this is bad) I make my own. 4 egg yolks, 1 lemon's juice, puree in food processor while slowly adding EVOO. Takes 5 minutes and you have healthy mayo. Regardless, I'd choose another meal that doesn't involve this much fat. Just tin up some chicken, veggies, and a sweet potato.
    2 slices Ezekeil bread – 8g protein, 24g carbs, 1g fat – 160 calories
    1 cup oats – 10g protein, 48g carbs, 5g fat – 280 calories

    TOTAL: 54g protein, 72g carbs, 39g fat – 890 calories

    Meal 4 1:30pm
    6oz chicken, beef, turkey, or fish – 36g protein, 3g fat – 165 calories
    1 sweet potato/yam – 2g protein, 24g carbs – 100 calories Your diet is starting to make less sense. Why such erratic changes in the amount of carbs per meal? Try to structure your carbs like this: 70, PWO 30, PPWO 70, 50, 40, 30, 20, no more.

    TOTAL: 38g protein, 24g carbs, 3g fat – 265 calories

    Meal 5 4:30pm
    6oz chicken, beef, turkey, or fish – 36g protein, 3g fat – 165 calories
    1 sweet potato/yam – 2g protein, 24g carbs – 100 calories Nice

    TOTAL: 38g protein, 24g carbs, 3g fat – 265 calories


    Meal 6 7:30pm
    6oz chicken, beef, turkey, or fish – 36g protein, 3g fat – 165 calories
    1 cup broccoli, asparagus, spinach, or other fiberous veggie – 10g carbs, 50 calories nice

    TOTAL: 36g protein, 10g carbs – 215 calories

    Meal 7 10:30pm
    1 scoop Casein – 24g protein, 2g carbs, 1g fat – 120 calories
    use the fat you're not eating via 3 tbspn. of mayo and have 15-20g of fat with this to aid in slowing digestion.

    DAILY TOTALS: 316g protein, 260g carbs, 70g fat – 3025 calories I'd look to do 300, 300, 60 - that's how i critiqued it

    Protein and fats are a bit higher than they should be, but carbs are lower by 40g so in the end I think it pretty much evens out. My problem right now is that I would like to add 10g fish oil caps, but can't afford the extra fat with the diet as is. The obvious solution is to get rid of the mayo in meal 3 (30g fat, OUCH!), but I can't stand tuna with anything but real Hellman's mayo. Maybe I can drop the 2 eggs in meal 1 instead?

    come on man. If it's that bad that u have to eat 39g of fat to make it edible, cut the tuna from your diet. Don't drop the eggs. Just follow the critique

    2nd problem is fiberous veggies - I know I should be getting more, but truthfully I hate them! How important are they, really, in terms of gaining lean mass? Not very. However, they are a calorie-neutral way of packing your body full of nutrients. It's all in the preperation, a 20 calorie sprinkle of sharp parmesan cheese and a dash of evoo or some reduced balsamic vinegar makes them good.
    I'm just nitpicking really, the diet was already decent. I would start at only 200-300 above TDEE and see how u respond. Do that via lowering fat to 50g the first 2 weeks. Pro/carb at 300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damienm05 View Post
    I'm just nitpicking really, the diet was already decent. I would start at only 200-300 above TDEE and see how u respond. Do that via lowering fat to 50g the first 2 weeks. Pro/carb at 300.
    Thanks bro - I actually thought of a good way to get rid of that mayo in meal 3. I would instead do 6oz ground turkey and 2oz (dry) pasta. Protein and carb macros should be close, but the fat is almost all gone.

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    Remember, a little home-made tomato sauce on the pasta won't kill you. It's not like you're tossing 16 oz. of spaghetti in a jar of Prego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damienm05 View Post
    Remember, a little home-made tomato sauce on the pasta won't kill you. It's not like you're tossing 16 oz. of spaghetti in a jar of Prego.
    I DEFINITELY intend on having some sauce! It won't be home-made, but I have found decent store bought jars. And it would be just enough to make it 'wet'. I'd be more concerned on a cut diet.

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    Didnt you just switch from your cutting diet to a CKD diet? And now you are switching again? I remember Nark gave you some advice awhile back which you need to heed. Stop browsing the forums for shortcuts and exercise some patience in what you are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireGuy1 View Post
    Didnt you just switch from your cutting diet to a CKD diet? And now you are switching again? I remember Nark gave you some advice awhile back which you need to heed. Stop browsing the forums for shortcuts and exercise some patience in what you are doing.
    Fire - i'm not switching; at some point I will be eating to grow, and was bored this morning so I decided to throw together a diet. I just wanted to get feedback on it now, I am not implementing it at this time.

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    Bump! C'mon guys, gimme some feedback here! I've already started thinking of modifications - i.e. swapping one of the sweet potatoes for brown rice, and swapping the tuna/chicken/mayo meal (meal 3) for a much cleaner whole wheat pasta with ground turkey meal. That will bring the fat down and the carbs up, which is what I need to meet the 40/40/20 macro goals.

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    ur eatin the right foods---i just wouldnt go 3000 cals off jump

    where u eatin now 2100-

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    Quote Originally Posted by mg1228 View Post
    ur eatin the right foods---i just wouldnt go 3000 cals off jump

    where u eatin now 2100-
    Thanks bro - you and Damien seem to feel the same way about this... just out of curiosity - what would be the harm in starting with 500 above TDEE... like, what would the concern be - putting on bodyfat?

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    how many cals u eating now?

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    2000 now, about 500 below TDEE. I figured 500 above would be a decent starting point for gains...

    Maybe I should eat AT TDEE for a month (when I start this of course) before jumping up?

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    yea cause u been eating 2000 for a while---u may have a new tdee

    put it this way--my tdee was 2800 when i started cutting---i ate at 2200 for a long time (5-6months) i bumped my cals to 2500-2600 for the last 6 weeks (on 125mg prop eod fo 7 weeks) and have gained 14lbs

    so yea i start off 300 higher than u have been eating and go up from there slowly

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    Thanks MG - to clarify, you're saying to start at 2300 and go up slowly? How long should I wait to bump up again (assuming no gains are being made) - 2 weeks?

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    yea id start at 2300 for 2 weeks and go 100 more each week till u get to 3000 or so--

    or maybe 2300 for 2 weeks then 100 more on non workout days and 200 more on workout days and just keep adjusting as need b, i say this to keep from gaining too much fat which i dont think anyone wants to do

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    Thanks again buddy!

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    how u likin the ckd diet--

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